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#1: Another GR20 clip

Posted on 2006-07-22 06:19:39 by oasysco

<a href="http://members.cox.net/punkdrummer/cleanliving.mp3" target="_blank">http://members.cox.net/punkdrummer/cleanliving.mp3</a>

Can't really hear the rhythm guitar, but what the hey... strings, clarinet,
bass, guitar, drums.

Greg

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#2: Re: Another GR20 clip

Posted on 2006-07-22 13:19:36 by woland99

Did you record all the parts on synth?
Don't take it as mean-spirited criticism but I think you had
a good point when you said a while back that GR-20 sounds
a bit like Casio keyboard. I have VG88 and AS120 w/ RMC
pickup but I use it mostly for 12-string, acoustic guitar or
layering extra tone over regular magnetic signal. There is
something not very natural in dynamic of pure synth tone -
it feels like tone does not fade the same way as with
regular guitar.

JT

oasysco wrote:
&gt; <a href="http://members.cox.net/punkdrummer/cleanliving.mp3" target="_blank">http://members.cox.net/punkdrummer/cleanliving.mp3</a>
&gt;
&gt; Can't really hear the rhythm guitar, but what the hey... strings, clarinet,
&gt; bass, guitar, drums.
&gt;
&gt; Greg

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#3: Re: Another GR20 clip

Posted on 2006-07-22 14:42:11 by oasysco

Woland99 wrote:
&gt; Did you record all the parts on synth?

Except the drums,

&gt; Don't take it as mean-spirited criticism but I think you had
&gt; a good point when you said a while back that GR-20 sounds
&gt; a bit like Casio keyboard.

Agreed. $550 device sounds like an $89 keyboard. The bass tones are
pretty good, but much of the other tones are artificial sounding...
thus, synthetic or synthesized... thus synth.

&gt; I have VG88 and AS120 w/ RMC
&gt; pickup but I use it mostly for 12-string, acoustic guitar or
&gt; layering extra tone over regular magnetic signal. There is
&gt; something not very natural in dynamic of pure synth tone -
&gt; it feels like tone does not fade the same way as with
&gt; regular guitar.
&gt;
&gt; JT
&gt;
&gt; oasysco wrote:
&gt; &gt; <a href="http://members.cox.net/punkdrummer/cleanliving.mp3" target="_blank">http://members.cox.net/punkdrummer/cleanliving.mp3</a>
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Can't really hear the rhythm guitar, but what the hey... strings, clarinet,
&gt; &gt; bass, guitar, drums.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Greg

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#4: Re: Another GR20 clip

Posted on 2006-07-22 14:52:06 by oasysco

Two more things... I deleted my original post. What souned decent at
midnight while waiting for the kids to get home, sounds liek dog-doo
the next day :)-

As for sound quality, I squash these things down form a multi-meg WAV
file to small MP3's; typically compressing down to 24kbs. If the
recording has chorus or other time-based effects, the results are
typically very bad. This had some chorus and reverb.

It actually does sound much better live, but my $89 Casio analogy stil
holds when comapred toa $500 keyboard/synth.

Greg

Woland99 wrote:
&gt; Did you record all the parts on synth?
&gt; Don't take it as mean-spirited criticism but I think you had
&gt; a good point when you said a while back that GR-20 sounds
&gt; a bit like Casio keyboard. I have VG88 and AS120 w/ RMC
&gt; pickup but I use it mostly for 12-string, acoustic guitar or
&gt; layering extra tone over regular magnetic signal. There is
&gt; something not very natural in dynamic of pure synth tone -
&gt; it feels like tone does not fade the same way as with
&gt; regular guitar.
&gt;
&gt; JT
&gt;
&gt; oasysco wrote:
&gt; &gt; <a href="http://members.cox.net/punkdrummer/cleanliving.mp3" target="_blank">http://members.cox.net/punkdrummer/cleanliving.mp3</a>
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Can't really hear the rhythm guitar, but what the hey... strings, clarinet,
&gt; &gt; bass, guitar, drums.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Greg

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#5: Re: Another GR20 clip

Posted on 2006-07-22 15:04:53 by LarryV

Some of the patches on the GR33 can sound really good if you go in and
tweak the parameters, but there are some patches that just sound cheesy
and artificial regardless of tweaks - kind of like polishing a turd.

However, I do find it useful for layering textures into the background
as a complement to the main rhythm instruments - like the B3 organ. I
did a lot of tweaking with that patch and it sounds pretty authentic.
I will occasionally use it as a background patch while doing rhythm
stuff. There's very few sounds that I think sound good on their own,
you need to use them in conjunction with the guitar so that they're not
the leading tone.

I don't like any of the sax/trumpet patches, they just sound synthetic
to me and don't have the same timbre or dynamics as the real thing. I
also tweaked the Grand Piano patch a lot and it sounds pretty good for
the occasional piano fill. I don't know how much deep editing of the
patches you can do on the GR20, but you have quite a few options on the
GR33. Still, it's hard to understand why the quality of the patches
can't be as good as some of the better keyboards out there.

oasysco wrote:
&gt; Two more things... I deleted my original post. What souned decent at
&gt; midnight while waiting for the kids to get home, sounds liek dog-doo
&gt; the next day :)-
&gt;
&gt; As for sound quality, I squash these things down form a multi-meg WAV
&gt; file to small MP3's; typically compressing down to 24kbs. If the
&gt; recording has chorus or other time-based effects, the results are
&gt; typically very bad. This had some chorus and reverb.
&gt;
&gt; It actually does sound much better live, but my $89 Casio analogy stil
&gt; holds when comapred toa $500 keyboard/synth.
&gt;
&gt; Greg
&gt;
&gt; Woland99 wrote:
&gt; &gt; Did you record all the parts on synth?
&gt; &gt; Don't take it as mean-spirited criticism but I think you had
&gt; &gt; a good point when you said a while back that GR-20 sounds
&gt; &gt; a bit like Casio keyboard. I have VG88 and AS120 w/ RMC
&gt; &gt; pickup but I use it mostly for 12-string, acoustic guitar or
&gt; &gt; layering extra tone over regular magnetic signal. There is
&gt; &gt; something not very natural in dynamic of pure synth tone -
&gt; &gt; it feels like tone does not fade the same way as with
&gt; &gt; regular guitar.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; JT
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; oasysco wrote:
&gt; &gt; &gt; <a href="http://members.cox.net/punkdrummer/cleanliving.mp3" target="_blank">http://members.cox.net/punkdrummer/cleanliving.mp3</a>
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; Can't really hear the rhythm guitar, but what the hey... strings, clarinet,
&gt; &gt; &gt; bass, guitar, drums.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; Greg

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#6: Re: Another GR20 clip

Posted on 2006-07-22 15:15:54 by oasysco

Larry,

I had a GR20 and sold it to buy a GR33. The GR33 had too many parms to
tweak for me, but I agree it was very configurable. I then sold the
GR33 and rebought the GR20, whihc doesn't have the deep editing than
the GR33 has.

Some of the organ patches are good, bass, synth, and a few of the
horns. Guitar patches suck as does much of the woodwind section. 1/2 of
the piano patches are decent as are some strings.

Like you, I use it for fills (at home) and it's very good at adding
extra dimensions you can't do with guitar alone.

As for why the patches can't soud as good as a $500 keyboard... i don't
know, but I suspext it has something to do with the resources needed
for tracking that you don't have with a keyboard.

It's certainly good enough for me and what I need it for and when I had
quit my gigging band and jumped in on another (that never got
anywhere), I actually used the GR20 as a piano, as a sax, as a whatever
and it worked OK. Of course, playing ability has more to do with it
than anything, so if I was a better player, it might sound better.

Greg

LarryV wrote:
&gt; Some of the patches on the GR33 can sound really good if you go in and
&gt; tweak the parameters, but there are some patches that just sound cheesy
&gt; and artificial regardless of tweaks - kind of like polishing a turd.
&gt;
&gt; However, I do find it useful for layering textures into the background
&gt; as a complement to the main rhythm instruments - like the B3 organ. I
&gt; did a lot of tweaking with that patch and it sounds pretty authentic.
&gt; I will occasionally use it as a background patch while doing rhythm
&gt; stuff. There's very few sounds that I think sound good on their own,
&gt; you need to use them in conjunction with the guitar so that they're not
&gt; the leading tone.
&gt;
&gt; I don't like any of the sax/trumpet patches, they just sound synthetic
&gt; to me and don't have the same timbre or dynamics as the real thing. I
&gt; also tweaked the Grand Piano patch a lot and it sounds pretty good for
&gt; the occasional piano fill. I don't know how much deep editing of the
&gt; patches you can do on the GR20, but you have quite a few options on the
&gt; GR33. Still, it's hard to understand why the quality of the patches
&gt; can't be as good as some of the better keyboards out there.
&gt;
&gt; oasysco wrote:
&gt; &gt; Two more things... I deleted my original post. What souned decent at
&gt; &gt; midnight while waiting for the kids to get home, sounds liek dog-doo
&gt; &gt; the next day :)-
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; As for sound quality, I squash these things down form a multi-meg WAV
&gt; &gt; file to small MP3's; typically compressing down to 24kbs. If the
&gt; &gt; recording has chorus or other time-based effects, the results are
&gt; &gt; typically very bad. This had some chorus and reverb.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; It actually does sound much better live, but my $89 Casio analogy stil
&gt; &gt; holds when comapred toa $500 keyboard/synth.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Greg
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Woland99 wrote:
&gt; &gt; &gt; Did you record all the parts on synth?
&gt; &gt; &gt; Don't take it as mean-spirited criticism but I think you had
&gt; &gt; &gt; a good point when you said a while back that GR-20 sounds
&gt; &gt; &gt; a bit like Casio keyboard. I have VG88 and AS120 w/ RMC
&gt; &gt; &gt; pickup but I use it mostly for 12-string, acoustic guitar or
&gt; &gt; &gt; layering extra tone over regular magnetic signal. There is
&gt; &gt; &gt; something not very natural in dynamic of pure synth tone -
&gt; &gt; &gt; it feels like tone does not fade the same way as with
&gt; &gt; &gt; regular guitar.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; JT
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; oasysco wrote:
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <a href="http://members.cox.net/punkdrummer/cleanliving.mp3" target="_blank">http://members.cox.net/punkdrummer/cleanliving.mp3</a>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Can't really hear the rhythm guitar, but what the hey... strings, clarinet,
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; bass, guitar, drums.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Greg

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#7: Re: Another GR20 clip

Posted on 2006-07-23 00:20:59 by woland99

oasysco wrote:
&gt; Two more things... I deleted my original post. What souned decent at
&gt; midnight while waiting for the kids to get home, sounds liek dog-doo
&gt; the next day :)-
&gt;

I know the feeling. Most art has to survive test of time - and some of
it dies very next morning. Kind of Blue lived 47 years and will survive
for hundreds years but Kenny G will not. Still - one needs to create
freely without fear of playing schmaltz ;-)
But listening to that clip had rather positive effect - moved guitar
synth
to much lower position in my personal GAS list.

&gt; As for sound quality, I squash these things down form a multi-meg WAV
&gt; file to small MP3's; typically compressing down to 24kbs. If the
&gt; recording has chorus or other time-based effects, the results are
&gt; typically very bad. This had some chorus and reverb.

Good information.

&gt; It actually does sound much better live, but my $89 Casio analogy stil
&gt; holds when comapred toa $500 keyboard/synth.

There is prolly a reason why people buy $3000 synths... BTW - how is
MIDI output from GR20 - have you tried it with external sound modules?
That is one thing missing from my VG8EX - but, as I understand, it does
not really operate by &quot;tracking&quot; signal and converting it to MIDI -
rather
it reshapes the analog form. When I bought it I though it was OK but
not
really spectacular but I only tried playing it thru guitar amp.
Recently
I bought CA Blonde amd and it sounds infinitely better thru it - it is
true
that one need flat EQ - PA-type of and amp with guitar synths.

JT
&gt;
&gt; Greg
&gt;
&gt; Woland99 wrote:
&gt; &gt; Did you record all the parts on synth?
&gt; &gt; Don't take it as mean-spirited criticism but I think you had
&gt; &gt; a good point when you said a while back that GR-20 sounds
&gt; &gt; a bit like Casio keyboard. I have VG88 and AS120 w/ RMC
&gt; &gt; pickup but I use it mostly for 12-string, acoustic guitar or
&gt; &gt; layering extra tone over regular magnetic signal. There is
&gt; &gt; something not very natural in dynamic of pure synth tone -
&gt; &gt; it feels like tone does not fade the same way as with
&gt; &gt; regular guitar.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; JT
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; oasysco wrote:
&gt; &gt; &gt; <a href="http://members.cox.net/punkdrummer/cleanliving.mp3" target="_blank">http://members.cox.net/punkdrummer/cleanliving.mp3</a>
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; Can't really hear the rhythm guitar, but what the hey... strings, clarinet,
&gt; &gt; &gt; bass, guitar, drums.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; Greg

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#8: Re: Another GR20 clip

Posted on 2006-07-23 00:26:10 by oasysco

Woland99 wrote:
&gt; oasysco wrote:
&gt; &gt; Two more things... I deleted my original post. What souned decent at
&gt; &gt; midnight while waiting for the kids to get home, sounds liek dog-doo
&gt; &gt; the next day :)-
&gt; &gt;
&gt;
&gt; I know the feeling. Most art has to survive test of time - and some of
&gt; it dies very next morning. Kind of Blue lived 47 years and will survive
&gt; for hundreds years but Kenny G will not. Still - one needs to create
&gt; freely without fear of playing schmaltz ;-)
&gt; But listening to that clip had rather positive effect - moved guitar
&gt; synth
&gt; to much lower position in my personal GAS list.

Heh-heh, so I turned you off on synths, eh? &lt;g&gt;

&gt;
&gt; &gt; As for sound quality, I squash these things down form a multi-meg WAV
&gt; &gt; file to small MP3's; typically compressing down to 24kbs. If the
&gt; &gt; recording has chorus or other time-based effects, the results are
&gt; &gt; typically very bad. This had some chorus and reverb.
&gt;
&gt; Good information.
&gt;
&gt; &gt; It actually does sound much better live, but my $89 Casio analogy stil
&gt; &gt; holds when comapred toa $500 keyboard/synth.
&gt;
&gt; There is prolly a reason why people buy $3000 synths... BTW - how is
&gt; MIDI output from GR20 - have you tried it with external sound modules?

No, I haven't tried that.

&gt; That is one thing missing from my VG8EX - but, as I understand, it does
&gt; not really operate by &quot;tracking&quot; signal and converting it to MIDI -
&gt; rather
&gt; it reshapes the analog form. When I bought it I though it was OK but
&gt; not
&gt; really spectacular but I only tried playing it thru guitar amp.
&gt; Recently
&gt; I bought CA Blonde amd and it sounds infinitely better thru it - it is
&gt; true
&gt; that one need flat EQ - PA-type of and amp with guitar synths.

Yes, it does sound much better through my Fender Acoustasonic JR or my
vocal PA than my Princeton Chours (which it sounds OK there, too).

Greg

&gt;
&gt; JT
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Greg
&gt; &gt;

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#9: Re: Another GR20 clip

Posted on 2006-07-23 00:51:30 by oasysco

Just in case you're not quite ready to run for cover when someone
mentions a guitar synth...

<a href="http://members.cox.net/oasysco/gregsong.htm#synth" target="_blank">http://members.cox.net/oasysco/gregsong.htm#synth</a>

A couple of the clips sound OK.

Greg

Woland99 wrote:
&gt; oasysco wrote:
&gt; &gt; Two more things... I deleted my original post. What souned decent at
&gt; &gt; midnight while waiting for the kids to get home, sounds liek dog-doo
&gt; &gt; the next day :)-
&gt; &gt;
&gt;
&gt; I know the feeling. Most art has to survive test of time - and some of
&gt; it dies very next morning. Kind of Blue lived 47 years and will survive
&gt; for hundreds years but Kenny G will not. Still - one needs to create
&gt; freely without fear of playing schmaltz ;-)
&gt; But listening to that clip had rather positive effect - moved guitar
&gt; synth
&gt; to much lower position in my personal GAS list.
&gt;
&gt; &gt; As for sound quality, I squash these things down form a multi-meg WAV
&gt; &gt; file to small MP3's; typically compressing down to 24kbs. If the
&gt; &gt; recording has chorus or other time-based effects, the results are
&gt; &gt; typically very bad. This had some chorus and reverb.
&gt;
&gt; Good information.
&gt;
&gt; &gt; It actually does sound much better live, but my $89 Casio analogy stil
&gt; &gt; holds when comapred toa $500 keyboard/synth.
&gt;
&gt; There is prolly a reason why people buy $3000 synths... BTW - how is
&gt; MIDI output from GR20 - have you tried it with external sound modules?
&gt; That is one thing missing from my VG8EX - but, as I understand, it does
&gt; not really operate by &quot;tracking&quot; signal and converting it to MIDI -
&gt; rather
&gt; it reshapes the analog form. When I bought it I though it was OK but
&gt; not
&gt; really spectacular but I only tried playing it thru guitar amp.
&gt; Recently
&gt; I bought CA Blonde amd and it sounds infinitely better thru it - it is
&gt; true
&gt; that one need flat EQ - PA-type of and amp with guitar synths.
&gt;
&gt; JT
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Greg
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Woland99 wrote:
&gt; &gt; &gt; Did you record all the parts on synth?
&gt; &gt; &gt; Don't take it as mean-spirited criticism but I think you had
&gt; &gt; &gt; a good point when you said a while back that GR-20 sounds
&gt; &gt; &gt; a bit like Casio keyboard. I have VG88 and AS120 w/ RMC
&gt; &gt; &gt; pickup but I use it mostly for 12-string, acoustic guitar or
&gt; &gt; &gt; layering extra tone over regular magnetic signal. There is
&gt; &gt; &gt; something not very natural in dynamic of pure synth tone -
&gt; &gt; &gt; it feels like tone does not fade the same way as with
&gt; &gt; &gt; regular guitar.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; JT
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; oasysco wrote:
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <a href="http://members.cox.net/punkdrummer/cleanliving.mp3" target="_blank">http://members.cox.net/punkdrummer/cleanliving.mp3</a>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Can't really hear the rhythm guitar, but what the hey... strings, clarinet,
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; bass, guitar, drums.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Greg

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#10: Re: Another GR20 clip

Posted on 2006-07-23 01:02:37 by woland99

oasysco wrote:
&gt; Heh-heh, so I turned you off on synths, eh? &lt;g&gt;

Well - not really. When I started playing electric guitar 7 years
ago (I played only classical before) I started with Strat and crappy
solid-state amp. And to make it sound better I started buying all
kinds of effects. I sold most of them since then - kept couple good
OD pedals, chorus and wah. So right now it is just &quot;guitar to amp&quot;
type of deal for me and God willing, I will prevail, in peace and
freedom
from fear, and in true health, through the purity and essence of my
natural guitar tone ;-)

I sometimes use some synth-like patches on VG8EX though -
I think it is good to get away from thinking like a guitar player -
a lick, another one etc - and hear notes not guitaristic phrases.
An abstract &quot;horn&quot; like patch is good for that.

JT

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#11: Re: Another GR20 clip

Posted on 2006-07-23 01:37:07 by woland99

oasysco wrote:
&gt; Just in case you're not quite ready to run for cover when someone
&gt; mentions a guitar synth...
&gt;
&gt; <a href="http://members.cox.net/oasysco/gregsong.htm#synth" target="_blank">http://members.cox.net/oasysco/gregsong.htm#synth</a>
&gt;
&gt; A couple of the clips sound OK.

Nice! Thanks for sharing - I can learn few things from your playing.
Both on positive and negative side. Benson just makes it all sound
too easy but when you listen to somebody's work in progress it is
more like &quot;good phrase - another one - now here is where timing
got a slightly sloppy - that is why it sounds forced and here is when
you stopped listening to whole pic and played unnecessary note&quot;.
Thanks Greg,

JT
&gt;
&gt; Greg
&gt;
&gt; Woland99 wrote:
&gt; &gt; oasysco wrote:
&gt; &gt; &gt; Two more things... I deleted my original post. What souned decent at
&gt; &gt; &gt; midnight while waiting for the kids to get home, sounds liek dog-doo
&gt; &gt; &gt; the next day :)-
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; I know the feeling. Most art has to survive test of time - and some of
&gt; &gt; it dies very next morning. Kind of Blue lived 47 years and will survive
&gt; &gt; for hundreds years but Kenny G will not. Still - one needs to create
&gt; &gt; freely without fear of playing schmaltz ;-)
&gt; &gt; But listening to that clip had rather positive effect - moved guitar
&gt; &gt; synth
&gt; &gt; to much lower position in my personal GAS list.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; As for sound quality, I squash these things down form a multi-meg WAV
&gt; &gt; &gt; file to small MP3's; typically compressing down to 24kbs. If the
&gt; &gt; &gt; recording has chorus or other time-based effects, the results are
&gt; &gt; &gt; typically very bad. This had some chorus and reverb.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Good information.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; It actually does sound much better live, but my $89 Casio analogy stil
&gt; &gt; &gt; holds when comapred toa $500 keyboard/synth.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; There is prolly a reason why people buy $3000 synths... BTW - how is
&gt; &gt; MIDI output from GR20 - have you tried it with external sound modules?
&gt; &gt; That is one thing missing from my VG8EX - but, as I understand, it does
&gt; &gt; not really operate by &quot;tracking&quot; signal and converting it to MIDI -
&gt; &gt; rather
&gt; &gt; it reshapes the analog form. When I bought it I though it was OK but
&gt; &gt; not
&gt; &gt; really spectacular but I only tried playing it thru guitar amp.
&gt; &gt; Recently
&gt; &gt; I bought CA Blonde amd and it sounds infinitely better thru it - it is
&gt; &gt; true
&gt; &gt; that one need flat EQ - PA-type of and amp with guitar synths.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; JT
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; Greg
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; Woland99 wrote:
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Did you record all the parts on synth?
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Don't take it as mean-spirited criticism but I think you had
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; a good point when you said a while back that GR-20 sounds
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; a bit like Casio keyboard. I have VG88 and AS120 w/ RMC
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; pickup but I use it mostly for 12-string, acoustic guitar or
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; layering extra tone over regular magnetic signal. There is
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; something not very natural in dynamic of pure synth tone -
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; it feels like tone does not fade the same way as with
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; regular guitar.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; JT
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; oasysco wrote:
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <a href="http://members.cox.net/punkdrummer/cleanliving.mp3" target="_blank">http://members.cox.net/punkdrummer/cleanliving.mp3</a>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Can't really hear the rhythm guitar, but what the hey... strings, clarinet,
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; bass, guitar, drums.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Greg

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