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#1: Blue Bossa Cm7 or Cm6 question

Posted on 2006-07-17 00:49:33 by willythepicker

Back in my wedding band days we always played Cm7. My old real book (
fifth edition purchased on the street in front of Berklee) said so.

I happened to look at the "legal" "the new real book" sher music
version and it shows Cm6.

This little change changes the way I look at what I call the lines.

formerly I'd think Bb on the Cm7, Ab on the Fm7, Ab on the Dm7b5 ,
whatever on the G7 and resolve on the next Cm7

aside from that the flavor of the a natural on the c minor tweats me.

So.... did I just learn this tune WRONG back when??

Bill

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#2: Re: Blue Bossa Cm7 or Cm6 question

Posted on 2006-07-17 01:04:28 by Marc Sabatella

> I happened to look at the "legal" "the new real book" sher music
> version and it shows Cm6.
>
> This little change changes the way I look at what I call the lines.

There are times when I'd argue the distinction is important - in the
absence of other info, Cm7 suggests dorian, Cm6 suggests melodic minor.
But in this case, I think either works just well. The fact that this is
the tonic in a minor key suggests melodic minor (and the major seventh
in particular), but the fact that it is coming from a more modal bag,
and the title specifically refers to a "blue" quality, suggests that
dorian (and the b7 in particular) is just as appropriate. Either can be
used successfully in your lines.

> formerly I'd think Bb on the Cm7, Ab on the Fm7, Ab on the Dm7b5 ,
> whatever on the G7 and resolve on the next Cm7

That's certainly one possible line, and it remains possible even you
consider the first chord to be Cm6, when you take what I wrote above
into account.

> aside from that the flavor of the a natural on the c minor tweats me.

Cm7 implies dorian, which certainly contains the possibility of A as
well. As for which to include in a voicing, well, Cm7 suggests Bb
whereas Cm6 suggests A, but either way, they are just suggestions. Just
realize the potential dichotomoy here between melodic minor and dorian,
understand the sounds that can be made, and choose for yourself which
you want. No need to decide one way for all time either - nothing wrong
with usoing one sound on one chorus, another on the next.

> So.... did I just learn this tune WRONG back when??

Po-tay-to, po-tah-to. Not a difference worth worrying about.

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#3: Re: Blue Bossa Cm7 or Cm6 question

Posted on 2006-07-17 03:39:40 by charles robinson

Another way of looking at it is that the basic chord = C-. You are allowed
to choose you own extesions so C-9 or C-6/9 Or C Minor Maj.7th. and many
other extended C- chords are also acceptable.
Charlie

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&gt;&gt; I happened to look at the &quot;legal&quot; &quot;the new real book&quot; sher music
&gt;&gt; version and it shows Cm6.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; This little change changes the way I look at what I call the lines.
&gt;
&gt; There are times when I'd argue the distinction is important - in the
&gt; absence of other info, Cm7 suggests dorian, Cm6 suggests melodic minor.
&gt; But in this case, I think either works just well. The fact that this is
&gt; the tonic in a minor key suggests melodic minor (and the major seventh in
&gt; particular), but the fact that it is coming from a more modal bag, and the
&gt; title specifically refers to a &quot;blue&quot; quality, suggests that dorian (and
&gt; the b7 in particular) is just as appropriate. Either can be used
&gt; successfully in your lines.
&gt;
&gt;&gt; formerly I'd think Bb on the Cm7, Ab on the Fm7, Ab on the Dm7b5 ,
&gt;&gt; whatever on the G7 and resolve on the next Cm7
&gt;
&gt; That's certainly one possible line, and it remains possible even you
&gt; consider the first chord to be Cm6, when you take what I wrote above into
&gt; account.
&gt;
&gt;&gt; aside from that the flavor of the a natural on the c minor tweats me.
&gt;
&gt; Cm7 implies dorian, which certainly contains the possibility of A as well.
&gt; As for which to include in a voicing, well, Cm7 suggests Bb whereas Cm6
&gt; suggests A, but either way, they are just suggestions. Just realize the
&gt; potential dichotomoy here between melodic minor and dorian, understand the
&gt; sounds that can be made, and choose for yourself which you want. No need
&gt; to decide one way for all time either - nothing wrong with usoing one
&gt; sound on one chorus, another on the next.
&gt;
&gt;&gt; So.... did I just learn this tune WRONG back when??
&gt;
&gt; Po-tay-to, po-tah-to. Not a difference worth worrying about.
&gt;
&gt; ---------------
&gt; Marc Sabatella
&gt; <a href="mailto:marc&#64;outsideshore.com" target="_blank">marc&#64;outsideshore.com</a>
&gt;
&gt; Music, art, &amp; educational materials
&gt; Featuring &quot;A Jazz Improvisation Primer&quot;
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#4: Re: Blue Bossa Cm7 or Cm6 question

Posted on 2006-07-17 07:20:33 by Joey Goldstein

willythepicker wrote:
&gt;
&gt; Back in my wedding band days we always played Cm7. My old real book (
&gt; fifth edition purchased on the street in front of Berklee) said so.
&gt;
&gt; I happened to look at the &quot;legal&quot; &quot;the new real book&quot; sher music
&gt; version and it shows Cm6.
&gt;
&gt; This little change changes the way I look at what I call the lines.
&gt;
&gt; formerly I'd think Bb on the Cm7, Ab on the Fm7, Ab on the Dm7b5 ,
&gt; whatever on the G7 and resolve on the next Cm7
&gt;
&gt; aside from that the flavor of the a natural on the c minor tweats me.
&gt;
&gt; So.... did I just learn this tune WRONG back when??
&gt;
&gt; Bill
&gt;

Think of it as plain old Cm and you then have a choice to go either way.

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#5: Re: Blue Bossa Cm7 or Cm6 question

Posted on 2006-07-18 21:50:45 by willythepicker

Thanks for all your responses!!


Bill

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