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#1: solidbody guitar question

Posted on 2006-07-13 18:52:31 by Nate Najar

So I have a music man steve lukather guitar. I bought it for work with
the r&b band. Overall it's pretty versatile and it's lightweight as
can be. emg pickups. sounds good, I like it. One problem. I can't
seem to get a balanced sound across all the strings. From the g string
down it's great, but the top b and e strings are really light in volume
comparatively. I raised the action considerably and put on heavier
strings and it has helped, but not as much as i would like. Anyone
have any ideas? I called ernie ball and the typical rocker response
from their setup guy was "well of course the smaller strings won't be
as loud". grrrr.

Nate

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#2: Re: solidbody guitar question

Posted on 2006-07-13 19:03:05 by Tom Walls

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:1152809550.437824.183000&#64;h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com" target="_blank">1152809550.437824.183000&#64;h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com</a>&gt;,
<a href="mailto:nate&#64;natenajar.com" target="_blank">nate&#64;natenajar.com</a> says...
&gt; So I have a music man steve lukather guitar. I bought it for work with
&gt; the r&amp;b band. Overall it's pretty versatile and it's lightweight as
&gt; can be. emg pickups. sounds good, I like it. One problem. I can't
&gt; seem to get a balanced sound across all the strings. From the g string
&gt; down it's great, but the top b and e strings are really light in volume
&gt; comparatively. I raised the action considerably and put on heavier
&gt; strings and it has helped, but not as much as i would like. Anyone
&gt; have any ideas? I called ernie ball and the typical rocker response
&gt; from their setup guy was &quot;well of course the smaller strings won't be
&gt; as loud&quot;. grrrr.
&gt;
&gt; Nate
&gt;
&gt;
Adjust the pole pieces on your pickup, or -- if not adjustable -- lower
the bass side of the pickup. I do this with practically all my guitars,
but especially with the solidbody. You might want to look at swapping
out your E and B for heavier guages as well.
--
Tom Walls
the guy at the Temple of Zeus

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#3: Re: solidbody guitar question

Posted on 2006-07-13 19:04:03 by Joey Goldstein

Nate Najar wrote:
&gt; So I have a music man steve lukather guitar. I bought it for work with
&gt; the r&amp;b band. Overall it's pretty versatile and it's lightweight as
&gt; can be. emg pickups. sounds good, I like it. One problem. I can't
&gt; seem to get a balanced sound across all the strings. From the g string
&gt; down it's great, but the top b and e strings are really light in volume
&gt; comparatively. I raised the action considerably and put on heavier
&gt; strings and it has helped, but not as much as i would like. Anyone
&gt; have any ideas? I called ernie ball and the typical rocker response
&gt; from their setup guy was &quot;well of course the smaller strings won't be
&gt; as loud&quot;. grrrr.
&gt;
&gt; Nate
&gt;

I often find the the high E string is not as loud as I would like from
an EMG-SA neck pickup. They probably have a bar magnet under the cover
rather than a staggered pole piece pattern.
I usually raise my neck pickup up a bit on the treble side to compensate.

I keep the bass side of the neck pickup 1/8&quot; from the bottom of the low
E string when it is fretted at the highest fret.
I keep the treble side of the neck pickup 1/16&quot; from the bottom of the
high E string when it is fretted at the highest fret.
Try that. See if it helps.

The relative volume of the high E string is never a problem with the
middle or bridge pickups.

Also, if you're using some sort of a light-top/heavy-bottom string set
you can expect the type of problem you're having. My jobbing guitar has
D'Addario roundwounds .011&quot; - .049&quot; strings which seem to have a decent
balance with my EMG's.

--
Joey Goldstein
<a href="http://www.joeygoldstein.com" target="_blank">http://www.joeygoldstein.com</a>
joegold AT sympatico DOT ca

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#4: Re: solidbody guitar question

Posted on 2006-07-13 19:11:02 by Nate Najar

Thanks Joey, I'll try that- I don't think this guitar has springs.
I'll have to shim the pickup. You're right it's really only a problem
witht he neck pickup, maybe a little with the middle, and no problem
with the bridge.

I've got ghs 10-46 on now, just bought a set of ernie ball 11's i'm
going to try here pretty soon. I'm still pretty new at this solidbody
thing! thanks again, I'll let you know how I fare.

Nate


Joey Goldstein wrote:

&gt; I often find the the high E string is not as loud as I would like from
&gt; an EMG-SA neck pickup. They probably have a bar magnet under the cover
&gt; rather than a staggered pole piece pattern.
&gt; I usually raise my neck pickup up a bit on the treble side to compensate.
&gt;
&gt; I keep the bass side of the neck pickup 1/8&quot; from the bottom of the low
&gt; E string when it is fretted at the highest fret.
&gt; I keep the treble side of the neck pickup 1/16&quot; from the bottom of the
&gt; high E string when it is fretted at the highest fret.
&gt; Try that. See if it helps.
&gt;
&gt; The relative volume of the high E string is never a problem with the
&gt; middle or bridge pickups.
&gt;
&gt; Also, if you're using some sort of a light-top/heavy-bottom string set
&gt; you can expect the type of problem you're having. My jobbing guitar has
&gt; D'Addario roundwounds .011&quot; - .049&quot; strings which seem to have a decent
&gt; balance with my EMG's.
&gt;
&gt; --
&gt; Joey Goldstein
&gt; <a href="http://www.joeygoldstein.com" target="_blank">http://www.joeygoldstein.com</a>
&gt; joegold AT sympatico DOT ca

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#5: Re: solidbody guitar question

Posted on 2006-07-13 19:39:20 by Joey Goldstein

Nate Najar wrote:
&gt; Thanks Joey, I'll try that- I don't think this guitar has springs.
&gt; I'll have to shim the pickup.

That'd be extremely unusual.
Are there not 2 screws on each side (treb and bass) of the pickup for
height adjustment?

Just curious...
Is your neck pickup the size of a regular single coil pickup? If so then
it's probably an EMG-SA. Lukather messed around with EMG-SV pickups too
at some point. They're supposed to sound more like real Strat pickups,
but they don't. They suck IMO. You can recognize them because they have
6 exposed pole pieces.
[Actually, I just checked EMG's web site and Luk used the SAV's not the
SV's. I'm not familiar with the sound of the SAV's, which also have
exposed pole pieces, and may be the pups you have on your guitar.]

Or is rectangular like a full-sized humbucker?
If the latter, then it's probably an EMG-89 and there should be a toggle
switch for it that sets it into single coil SA mode by turning off one
of the two coils. You want it so that the coil closest to the neck is
the active coil in single coil mode. That's how it should have been set
up. If it isn't then you may need to take the pickup off and trun it around.

&gt; You're right it's really only a problem
&gt; witht he neck pickup, maybe a little with the middle, and no problem
&gt; with the bridge.
&gt;
&gt; I've got ghs 10-46 on now, just bought a set of ernie ball 11's i'm
&gt; going to try here pretty soon. I'm still pretty new at this solidbody
&gt; thing! thanks again, I'll let you know how I fare.
&gt;
&gt; Nate
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Joey Goldstein wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; I often find the the high E string is not as loud as I would like from
&gt;&gt; an EMG-SA neck pickup. They probably have a bar magnet under the cover
&gt;&gt; rather than a staggered pole piece pattern.
&gt;&gt; I usually raise my neck pickup up a bit on the treble side to compensate.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I keep the bass side of the neck pickup 1/8&quot; from the bottom of the low
&gt;&gt; E string when it is fretted at the highest fret.
&gt;&gt; I keep the treble side of the neck pickup 1/16&quot; from the bottom of the
&gt;&gt; high E string when it is fretted at the highest fret.
&gt;&gt; Try that. See if it helps.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; The relative volume of the high E string is never a problem with the
&gt;&gt; middle or bridge pickups.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Also, if you're using some sort of a light-top/heavy-bottom string set
&gt;&gt; you can expect the type of problem you're having. My jobbing guitar has
&gt;&gt; D'Addario roundwounds .011&quot; - .049&quot; strings which seem to have a decent
&gt;&gt; balance with my EMG's.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; --
&gt;&gt; Joey Goldstein
&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.joeygoldstein.com" target="_blank">http://www.joeygoldstein.com</a>
&gt;&gt; joegold AT sympatico DOT ca
&gt;


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joegold AT sympatico DOT ca

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#6: Re: solidbody guitar question

Posted on 2006-07-13 20:40:13 by ottguit

You could try using a one size larger string for the first 2 strings,
and leave the other 4 strings alone.
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#7: Re: solidbody guitar question

Posted on 2006-07-13 22:18:59 by Nate Najar

Well now I'm confused. They look exactly like the SA's i have on my
strat but they don't sound as thick. They actually sound exactly like
a strat pickup. They don't have exposed pole pieces like the &quot;vintage&quot;
type ones on emg's site. So to be honest i don't know what the hell
they are. I was thinking about switching them out mainly because I
want an 89 in the bridge so i can split it, but i don't know if i want
to drop that kind of change. The ernie ball site says the pickups are
&quot;slv&quot; but there's no mention of that model on emg's site so i'm doubly
confused. Do you think i should just switch out the pups and see how I
do? Thanks for your help,

Nate

Joey Goldstein wrote:
&gt; Nate Najar wrote:
&gt; &gt; Thanks Joey, I'll try that- I don't think this guitar has springs.
&gt; &gt; I'll have to shim the pickup.
&gt;
&gt; That'd be extremely unusual.
&gt; Are there not 2 screws on each side (treb and bass) of the pickup for
&gt; height adjustment?
&gt;
&gt; Just curious...
&gt; Is your neck pickup the size of a regular single coil pickup? If so then
&gt; it's probably an EMG-SA. Lukather messed around with EMG-SV pickups too
&gt; at some point. They're supposed to sound more like real Strat pickups,
&gt; but they don't. They suck IMO. You can recognize them because they have
&gt; 6 exposed pole pieces.
&gt; [Actually, I just checked EMG's web site and Luk used the SAV's not the
&gt; SV's. I'm not familiar with the sound of the SAV's, which also have
&gt; exposed pole pieces, and may be the pups you have on your guitar.]
&gt;
&gt; Or is rectangular like a full-sized humbucker?
&gt; If the latter, then it's probably an EMG-89 and there should be a toggle
&gt; switch for it that sets it into single coil SA mode by turning off one
&gt; of the two coils. You want it so that the coil closest to the neck is
&gt; the active coil in single coil mode. That's how it should have been set
&gt; up. If it isn't then you may need to take the pickup off and trun it around.
&gt;
&gt; &gt; You're right it's really only a problem
&gt; &gt; witht he neck pickup, maybe a little with the middle, and no problem
&gt; &gt; with the bridge.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; I've got ghs 10-46 on now, just bought a set of ernie ball 11's i'm
&gt; &gt; going to try here pretty soon. I'm still pretty new at this solidbody
&gt; &gt; thing! thanks again, I'll let you know how I fare.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Nate
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Joey Goldstein wrote:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; I often find the the high E string is not as loud as I would like from
&gt; &gt;&gt; an EMG-SA neck pickup. They probably have a bar magnet under the cover
&gt; &gt;&gt; rather than a staggered pole piece pattern.
&gt; &gt;&gt; I usually raise my neck pickup up a bit on the treble side to compensate.
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; I keep the bass side of the neck pickup 1/8&quot; from the bottom of the low
&gt; &gt;&gt; E string when it is fretted at the highest fret.
&gt; &gt;&gt; I keep the treble side of the neck pickup 1/16&quot; from the bottom of the
&gt; &gt;&gt; high E string when it is fretted at the highest fret.
&gt; &gt;&gt; Try that. See if it helps.
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; The relative volume of the high E string is never a problem with the
&gt; &gt;&gt; middle or bridge pickups.
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; Also, if you're using some sort of a light-top/heavy-bottom string set
&gt; &gt;&gt; you can expect the type of problem you're having. My jobbing guitar has
&gt; &gt;&gt; D'Addario roundwounds .011&quot; - .049&quot; strings which seem to have a decent
&gt; &gt;&gt; balance with my EMG's.
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; --
&gt; &gt;&gt; Joey Goldstein
&gt; &gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.joeygoldstein.com" target="_blank">http://www.joeygoldstein.com</a>
&gt; &gt;&gt; joegold AT sympatico DOT ca
&gt; &gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; --
&gt; Joey Goldstein
&gt; <a href="http://www.joeygoldstein.com" target="_blank">http://www.joeygoldstein.com</a>
&gt; joegold AT sympatico DOT ca

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#8: Re: solidbody guitar question

Posted on 2006-07-14 00:15:46 by Joey Goldstein

Nate Najar wrote:
&gt; Well now I'm confused. They look exactly like the SA's i have on my
&gt; strat but they don't sound as thick.

Do you have an SPC control too on your Strat?
I've always suspected that the SPC, even when set to 0, attenuates some
of the top end.

&gt; They actually sound exactly like
&gt; a strat pickup. They don't have exposed pole pieces like the &quot;vintage&quot;
&gt; type ones on emg's site. So to be honest i don't know what the hell
&gt; they are.

The only EMG Strat pickups that I know of as being brighter than the
EMG-SA's are the EMG-S's, with the ceramic magnets. Maybe you've got those?

&gt; I was thinking about switching them out mainly because I
&gt; want an 89 in the bridge so i can split it, but i don't know if i want
&gt; to drop that kind of change. The ernie ball site says the pickups are
&gt; &quot;slv&quot; but there's no mention of that model on emg's site so i'm doubly
&gt; confused.

&lt;<a href="http://emginc.com/displayproducts.asp?section=Guitar&amp;categoryid=11&amp;catalogid=53" target="_blank"> http://emginc.com/displayproducts.asp?section=Guitar&amp;cat egoryid=11&amp;catalogid=53</a>&gt;
SLV is an overwound version of the SAV but with the pole pieces hidden.
But that should make them darker than the SAV's. And the SAV specs look
like it's a darker sounding pickup than the SA's.

&gt; Do you think i should just switch out the pups and see how I
&gt; do? Thanks for your help,

I dunno. EMG's are funny. For me, they always come real close to getting
the sound I'm after, but not quite. I still use EMG-SA's, plus an SPC
control, on my jobbing guitar because it's still the most versatile
harness I can find. I can get passable Fender sounds and passable Gibson
sounds. I don't lose much top end when I lower my volume pot. There's
virtually no capacitance effect when I run long cables. Still, I don't
really like them.

I just put some Dimarzio VV2's on my other Strat. I'm hoping that, along
with a Demeter mid-boost pedal I just ordered and a treble bleed circuit
on the guitar, I'll be able to get the same range of sounds and
versatility as the EMGs. The stock VV Fender sound is much more to my
liking than the stock SA sound.

&gt; Nate
&gt;
&gt; Joey Goldstein wrote:
&gt;&gt; Nate Najar wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt; Thanks Joey, I'll try that- I don't think this guitar has springs.
&gt;&gt;&gt; I'll have to shim the pickup.
&gt;&gt; That'd be extremely unusual.
&gt;&gt; Are there not 2 screws on each side (treb and bass) of the pickup for
&gt;&gt; height adjustment?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Just curious...
&gt;&gt; Is your neck pickup the size of a regular single coil pickup? If so then
&gt;&gt; it's probably an EMG-SA. Lukather messed around with EMG-SV pickups too
&gt;&gt; at some point. They're supposed to sound more like real Strat pickups,
&gt;&gt; but they don't. They suck IMO. You can recognize them because they have
&gt;&gt; 6 exposed pole pieces.
&gt;&gt; [Actually, I just checked EMG's web site and Luk used the SAV's not the
&gt;&gt; SV's. I'm not familiar with the sound of the SAV's, which also have
&gt;&gt; exposed pole pieces, and may be the pups you have on your guitar.]
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Or is rectangular like a full-sized humbucker?
&gt;&gt; If the latter, then it's probably an EMG-89 and there should be a toggle
&gt;&gt; switch for it that sets it into single coil SA mode by turning off one
&gt;&gt; of the two coils. You want it so that the coil closest to the neck is
&gt;&gt; the active coil in single coil mode. That's how it should have been set
&gt;&gt; up. If it isn't then you may need to take the pickup off and trun it around.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; You're right it's really only a problem
&gt;&gt;&gt; witht he neck pickup, maybe a little with the middle, and no problem
&gt;&gt;&gt; with the bridge.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; I've got ghs 10-46 on now, just bought a set of ernie ball 11's i'm
&gt;&gt;&gt; going to try here pretty soon. I'm still pretty new at this solidbody
&gt;&gt;&gt; thing! thanks again, I'll let you know how I fare.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Nate
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Joey Goldstein wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I often find the the high E string is not as loud as I would like from
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; an EMG-SA neck pickup. They probably have a bar magnet under the cover
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; rather than a staggered pole piece pattern.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I usually raise my neck pickup up a bit on the treble side to compensate.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I keep the bass side of the neck pickup 1/8&quot; from the bottom of the low
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; E string when it is fretted at the highest fret.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I keep the treble side of the neck pickup 1/16&quot; from the bottom of the
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; high E string when it is fretted at the highest fret.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Try that. See if it helps.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; The relative volume of the high E string is never a problem with the
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; middle or bridge pickups.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Also, if you're using some sort of a light-top/heavy-bottom string set
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; you can expect the type of problem you're having. My jobbing guitar has
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; D'Addario roundwounds .011&quot; - .049&quot; strings which seem to have a decent
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; balance with my EMG's.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; --
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Joey Goldstein
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.joeygoldstein.com" target="_blank">http://www.joeygoldstein.com</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; joegold AT sympatico DOT ca
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; --
&gt;&gt; Joey Goldstein
&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.joeygoldstein.com" target="_blank">http://www.joeygoldstein.com</a>
&gt;&gt; joegold AT sympatico DOT ca
&gt;


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#9: Re: solidbody guitar question

Posted on 2006-07-14 00:57:41 by Nate Najar

Is the spc the midboost? If so I did put that on my strat. I really
like that configuration- sa/sa/89 with the spc. You're right, oassable
fender andpassable gibson. Problem with my strat is the locking trem-
I just don't trust carrying only 1 guitar and using the locking trem in
case i pop a string. And I really like the way this music man feels.
oh well.

Nate

Joey Goldstein wrote:
&gt; Nate Najar wrote:
&gt; &gt; Well now I'm confused. They look exactly like the SA's i have on my
&gt; &gt; strat but they don't sound as thick.
&gt;
&gt; Do you have an SPC control too on your Strat?
&gt; I've always suspected that the SPC, even when set to 0, attenuates some
&gt; of the top end.
&gt;
&gt; &gt; They actually sound exactly like
&gt; &gt; a strat pickup. They don't have exposed pole pieces like the &quot;vintage&quot;
&gt; &gt; type ones on emg's site. So to be honest i don't know what the hell
&gt; &gt; they are.
&gt;
&gt; The only EMG Strat pickups that I know of as being brighter than the
&gt; EMG-SA's are the EMG-S's, with the ceramic magnets. Maybe you've got those?
&gt;
&gt; &gt; I was thinking about switching them out mainly because I
&gt; &gt; want an 89 in the bridge so i can split it, but i don't know if i want
&gt; &gt; to drop that kind of change. The ernie ball site says the pickups are
&gt; &gt; &quot;slv&quot; but there's no mention of that model on emg's site so i'm doubly
&gt; &gt; confused.
&gt;
&gt; &lt;<a href="http://emginc.com/displayproducts.asp?section=Guitar&amp;categoryid=11&amp;catalogid=53" target="_blank"> http://emginc.com/displayproducts.asp?section=Guitar&amp;cat egoryid=11&amp;catalogid=53</a>&gt;
&gt; SLV is an overwound version of the SAV but with the pole pieces hidden.
&gt; But that should make them darker than the SAV's. And the SAV specs look
&gt; like it's a darker sounding pickup than the SA's.
&gt;
&gt; &gt; Do you think i should just switch out the pups and see how I
&gt; &gt; do? Thanks for your help,
&gt;
&gt; I dunno. EMG's are funny. For me, they always come real close to getting
&gt; the sound I'm after, but not quite. I still use EMG-SA's, plus an SPC
&gt; control, on my jobbing guitar because it's still the most versatile
&gt; harness I can find. I can get passable Fender sounds and passable Gibson
&gt; sounds. I don't lose much top end when I lower my volume pot. There's
&gt; virtually no capacitance effect when I run long cables. Still, I don't
&gt; really like them.
&gt;
&gt; I just put some Dimarzio VV2's on my other Strat. I'm hoping that, along
&gt; with a Demeter mid-boost pedal I just ordered and a treble bleed circuit
&gt; on the guitar, I'll be able to get the same range of sounds and
&gt; versatility as the EMGs. The stock VV Fender sound is much more to my
&gt; liking than the stock SA sound.
&gt;
&gt; &gt; Nate
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Joey Goldstein wrote:
&gt; &gt;&gt; Nate Najar wrote:
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Thanks Joey, I'll try that- I don't think this guitar has springs.
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; I'll have to shim the pickup.
&gt; &gt;&gt; That'd be extremely unusual.
&gt; &gt;&gt; Are there not 2 screws on each side (treb and bass) of the pickup for
&gt; &gt;&gt; height adjustment?
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; Just curious...
&gt; &gt;&gt; Is your neck pickup the size of a regular single coil pickup? If so then
&gt; &gt;&gt; it's probably an EMG-SA. Lukather messed around with EMG-SV pickups too
&gt; &gt;&gt; at some point. They're supposed to sound more like real Strat pickups,
&gt; &gt;&gt; but they don't. They suck IMO. You can recognize them because they have
&gt; &gt;&gt; 6 exposed pole pieces.
&gt; &gt;&gt; [Actually, I just checked EMG's web site and Luk used the SAV's not the
&gt; &gt;&gt; SV's. I'm not familiar with the sound of the SAV's, which also have
&gt; &gt;&gt; exposed pole pieces, and may be the pups you have on your guitar.]
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; Or is rectangular like a full-sized humbucker?
&gt; &gt;&gt; If the latter, then it's probably an EMG-89 and there should be a toggle
&gt; &gt;&gt; switch for it that sets it into single coil SA mode by turning off one
&gt; &gt;&gt; of the two coils. You want it so that the coil closest to the neck is
&gt; &gt;&gt; the active coil in single coil mode. That's how it should have been set
&gt; &gt;&gt; up. If it isn't then you may need to take the pickup off and trun it around.
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; You're right it's really only a problem
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; witht he neck pickup, maybe a little with the middle, and no problem
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; with the bridge.
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; I've got ghs 10-46 on now, just bought a set of ernie ball 11's i'm
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; going to try here pretty soon. I'm still pretty new at this solidbody
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; thing! thanks again, I'll let you know how I fare.
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Nate
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Joey Goldstein wrote:
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I often find the the high E string is not as loud as I would like from
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; an EMG-SA neck pickup. They probably have a bar magnet under the cover
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; rather than a staggered pole piece pattern.
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I usually raise my neck pickup up a bit on the treble side to compensate.
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I keep the bass side of the neck pickup 1/8&quot; from the bottom of the low
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; E string when it is fretted at the highest fret.
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I keep the treble side of the neck pickup 1/16&quot; from the bottom of the
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; high E string when it is fretted at the highest fret.
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Try that. See if it helps.
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; The relative volume of the high E string is never a problem with the
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; middle or bridge pickups.
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Also, if you're using some sort of a light-top/heavy-bottom string set
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; you can expect the type of problem you're having. My jobbing guitar has
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; D'Addario roundwounds .011&quot; - .049&quot; strings which seem to have a decent
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; balance with my EMG's.
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
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&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; joegold AT sympatico DOT ca
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&gt; &gt;
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#10: Re: solidbody guitar question

Posted on 2006-07-14 02:45:38 by Joey Goldstein

Nate Najar wrote:
&gt; Is the spc the midboost?

Yes.

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#11: Re: solidbody guitar question

Posted on 2006-07-14 22:38:59 by icarusi

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&gt; I keep the bass side of the neck pickup 1/8&quot; from the bottom of the low E
&gt; string when it is fretted at the highest fret.
&gt; I keep the treble side of the neck pickup 1/16&quot; from the bottom of the
&gt; high E string when it is fretted at the highest fret.
&gt; Try that. See if it helps.

I used to do that but found I got wolf tones and reduced treble (the latter
may be OK if there's too much treble). Now I set up the high E pickup height
of an equilateral triangle with it's base the distance between two strings
(and ideally the distance between two pole pieces). I found that helped even
the volume output of the neck p/u when bending strings. I set the bottom E
pickup height to balance across the strings, keeping any adjustable pole
pieces to follow the neck radius equivalent.

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#12: Re: solidbody guitar question

Posted on 2006-07-15 17:56:46 by Joey Goldstein

icarusi wrote:
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&gt;
&gt;&gt; I keep the bass side of the neck pickup 1/8&quot; from the bottom of the low E
&gt;&gt; string when it is fretted at the highest fret.
&gt;&gt; I keep the treble side of the neck pickup 1/16&quot; from the bottom of the
&gt;&gt; high E string when it is fretted at the highest fret.
&gt;&gt; Try that. See if it helps.
&gt;
&gt; I used to do that but found I got wolf tones and reduced treble

That's weird. You should get more treble with the pickup closer to the
treble strings.
And wolf tones shouldn't have anything to do with the way your pickup is
set. They have to do with the acoustic properties of the guitar,
especially the neck.
If you have the neck pickup too close on the bass side then its
magnetism will affect the intonation of the low strings. Is that what
you're calling &quot;wolftones&quot;?

&gt; (the latter
&gt; may be OK if there's too much treble).


&gt; Now I set up the high E pickup height
&gt; of an equilateral triangle with it's base the distance between two strings
&gt; (and ideally the distance between two pole pieces).

On my guitar, if I understand what you're saying, there's about 5/16&quot;
between strings. Keeping your neck pickup a 5/16&quot; away from the strings
is *way* too much.

&gt; I found that helped even
&gt; the volume output of the neck p/u when bending strings. I set the bottom E
&gt; pickup height to balance across the strings, keeping any adjustable pole
&gt; pieces to follow the neck radius equivalent.
&gt;
&gt; icarusi


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#13: Re: solidbody guitar question

Posted on 2006-07-15 23:12:12 by icarusi

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&gt; That's weird. You should get more treble with the pickup closer to the
&gt; treble strings.

Up to a point, but closer than that and the magnetic pull from the pickup
magnets starts to drag on the strings and create harmonics in the string
movement at the pickup position. It's less so with EMG low impedence p/us
which (AFAIK) use less powerful magnets. More so with conventional single
coils and single blades where the magnetic field is concentrated at one
line.

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#14: Re: solidbody guitar question

Posted on 2006-07-16 07:32:08 by Joey Goldstein

icarusi wrote:
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&gt;
&gt;&gt; That's weird. You should get more treble with the pickup closer to the
&gt;&gt; treble strings.
&gt;
&gt; Up to a point, but closer than that and the magnetic pull from the pickup
&gt; magnets starts to drag on the strings and create harmonics in the string
&gt; movement at the pickup position. It's less so with EMG low impedence p/us
&gt; which (AFAIK) use less powerful magnets. More so with conventional single
&gt; coils and single blades where the magnetic field is concentrated at one
&gt; line.
&gt;
&gt; icarusi

In my experience this is only a problem on the bass strings.

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#15: Re: solidbody guitar question

Posted on 2006-07-16 07:48:07 by Joey Goldstein

Joey Goldstein wrote:
&gt; icarusi wrote:
&gt;&gt; &quot;Joey Goldstein&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:nospam&#64;nowhere.net" target="_blank">nospam&#64;nowhere.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; That's weird. You should get more treble with the pickup closer to
&gt;&gt;&gt; the treble strings.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Up to a point, but closer than that and the magnetic pull from the
&gt;&gt; pickup magnets starts to drag on the strings and create harmonics in
&gt;&gt; the string movement at the pickup position. It's less so with EMG low
&gt;&gt; impedence p/us which (AFAIK) use less powerful magnets. More so with
&gt;&gt; conventional single coils and single blades where the magnetic field
&gt;&gt; is concentrated at one line.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; icarusi
&gt;
&gt; In my experience this is only a problem on the bass strings.
&gt;

I suppose it could be a problem if you get the pup too close to the high
E also, but the measurement I gave is not that close.

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#16: Re: solidbody guitar question

Posted on 2006-07-17 16:40:37 by Dave M

&gt; I often find the the high E string is not as loud as I would like from
&gt; an EMG-SA neck pickup.

I have a gtr that used to have EMGs in a H-S-H setup, and
had the same problem w/ the high E.

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#17: Re: solidbody guitar question

Posted on 2006-07-21 23:11:52 by icarusi

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&gt; I suppose it could be a problem if you get the pup too close to the high E
&gt; also, but the measurement I gave is not that close.

1/16&quot; is too close on my s/c guitars high E, B and G to get the most HF from
those strings and avoid the harmonic 'magnet drag' effects.

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#18: Re: solidbody guitar question

Posted on 2006-07-23 08:21:57 by Joey Goldstein

icarusi wrote:
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&gt;
&gt;&gt; I suppose it could be a problem if you get the pup too close to the high E
&gt;&gt; also, but the measurement I gave is not that close.
&gt;
&gt; 1/16&quot; is too close on my s/c guitars high E, B and G to get the most HF from
&gt; those strings and avoid the harmonic 'magnet drag' effects.
&gt;
&gt; icarusi

works fine for me.

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#19: Re: solidbody guitar question

Posted on 2006-07-23 17:57:45 by Joey Goldstein

Joey Goldstein wrote:
&gt; icarusi wrote:
&gt;&gt; &quot;Joey Goldstein&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:nospam&#64;nowhere.net" target="_blank">nospam&#64;nowhere.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; I suppose it could be a problem if you get the pup too close to the
&gt;&gt;&gt; high E also, but the measurement I gave is not that close.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; 1/16&quot; is too close on my s/c guitars high E, B and G to get the most
&gt;&gt; HF from those strings and avoid the harmonic 'magnet drag' effects.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; icarusi
&gt;
&gt; works fine for me.
&gt;

And remember...I said 1/16&quot; with the high E string *depressed at the
22nd fret* (or the highest fret you've got).

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