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#1: ANN. EDS magazine pages updated with new sound and tune files

Posted on 2006-06-11 13:34:45 by johnny adams

The Summer issue of English Dance & Song has just been published and
the contents page can be viewed at

<a href="http://eds.efdss.org." target="_blank">http://eds.efdss.org.</a>

Sound file streams and tune pages to enhance the magazine articles are
available on the site and there are also contents pages from some past
issues along with their associated sound files and song sheets.

This quarter, sound files in mp3 format include a specially recorded
track by Mary Humphreys &amp; Anahata, a track from the Rakes (courtesy of
Fellside) and seven tunes played on fiddle by Cheshire musician Neil
Brookes to illustrate the article by Lyn Law on the tune book of
William Clarke. The notation for 4 tunes is included.

There is also a link to buy online the latest publication by Doc Rowe
entitled &quot;May Day - The coming of Spring&quot; published by English Heritage
in association with the EFDSS

Johnny Adams
EFDSS Director of Web Services

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#2: Re: ANN. EDS magazine pages updated with new sound and tune files

Posted on 2006-06-11 16:40:09 by Abby Sale

On 11 Jun 2006 04:34:45 -0700, &quot;johnny adams&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:johnadams&#64;imailbox.com" target="_blank">johnadams&#64;imailbox.com</a>&gt;
wrote:

&gt;The Summer issue of English Dance &amp; Song has just been published and
&gt;the contents page can be viewed at
&gt;
&gt;<a href="http://eds.efdss.org." target="_blank">http://eds.efdss.org.</a>
&gt;
&gt;This quarter, sound files in mp3 format include a specially recorded
&gt;track by Mary Humphreys &amp; Anahata,

It's Good to start seeing efdss online. I much look forward to a serious
availability of their sound and book files. Much.

But here's the thing; Humphreys sings a nice little song, &quot;The Cuckoo and
the Nightingale&quot; I've never before heard. In fact, I've never heard the
title before. Amazing how these things go. Seems the title has been well
known for 700 years and reused by Chaucer, Wordsworth, Handle &amp; several
hundred others.

If I get it, the title means (variously) a comparison/opposition between
true and false - true &amp; false love - worthy &amp; unworthy.

I couldn't find a d/l of the Handle tune.

Do any (if any are reading this) know background of the tune and/or text
used by Humphreys? Doesn't seem to relate to Chaucer or Wordsworth.

Ta.
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#3: Re: ANN. EDS magazine pages updated with new sound and tune files

Posted on 2006-06-11 17:52:04 by Derek Schofield

The English Dance &amp; Song website pages that Johnny refers to complements the
EFDSS's quarterly magazine of the same name. The magazine itself has a full
article about Mary Humphreys and Anahata, the song, where it comes from, who
sang, who collected it, etc.

The magazine is sent to all members of the EFDSS. Or you can subscribe to
the magazine only (£15 pa incl p&amp;p) or you can buy individual copies for
£2.50 + £1 p&amp;p. Cheques payable to EFDSS. Details on the website
www.efdss.org

Derek Schofield
Editor

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&gt; On 11 Jun 2006 04:34:45 -0700, &quot;johnny adams&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:johnadams&#64;imailbox.com" target="_blank">johnadams&#64;imailbox.com</a>&gt;
&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;The Summer issue of English Dance &amp; Song has just been published and
&gt;&gt;the contents page can be viewed at
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;<a href="http://eds.efdss.org." target="_blank">http://eds.efdss.org.</a>
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;This quarter, sound files in mp3 format include a specially recorded
&gt;&gt;track by Mary Humphreys &amp; Anahata,
&gt;
&gt; It's Good to start seeing efdss online. I much look forward to a serious
&gt; availability of their sound and book files. Much.
&gt;
&gt; But here's the thing; Humphreys sings a nice little song, &quot;The Cuckoo and
&gt; the Nightingale&quot; I've never before heard. In fact, I've never heard the
&gt; title before. Amazing how these things go. Seems the title has been well
&gt; known for 700 years and reused by Chaucer, Wordsworth, Handle &amp; several
&gt; hundred others.
&gt;
&gt; If I get it, the title means (variously) a comparison/opposition between
&gt; true and false - true &amp; false love - worthy &amp; unworthy.
&gt;
&gt; I couldn't find a d/l of the Handle tune.
&gt;
&gt; Do any (if any are reading this) know background of the tune and/or text
&gt; used by Humphreys? Doesn't seem to relate to Chaucer or Wordsworth.
&gt;
&gt; Ta.
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&gt; I am Abby Sale - in Raleigh, North Carolina

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#4: Re: ANN. EDS magazine pages updated with new sound and tune files

Posted on 2006-06-11 19:59:08 by anahata

Derek Schofield wrote:
&gt; The magazine itself has a full
&gt; article about Mary Humphreys and Anahata, the song, where it comes from, who
&gt; sang, who collected it, etc.

And incidentally the research continues. Mary is still getting
information from the descendants of the source singer Charlotte Few,
many of whom still live in the Cottenham area north of Cambridge.

There are also some more songs from the same source, including the
original version of Lucy Wan as sung by Charlotte Few, not the version
published in the Penguin Book (now &quot;Classic English Folk Songs&quot;) which
uses words taken from a broadside text.

We'll be recording several of them later this year for a new album. &quot;The
Cuckoo and the Nightingale&quot; will have a more varied accompaniment than
the version on the EDS site, which was recorded when I'd barely learnt
it! Look out for live performances of the Cottenham songs at Sidmouth
festival and other venues too.

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#5: Re: ANN. EDS magazine pages updated with new sound and tune files

Posted on 2006-06-11 20:03:20 by anahata

Abby Sale wrote:

&gt; But here's the thing; Humphreys sings a nice little song, &quot;The Cuckoo and
&gt; the Nightingale&quot; I've never before heard.

It's probably not been sung in the hundred years since it was collected,
as it wasn't published then. So Mary and I would be very surprised if
you had heard it!

(There is a song called &quot;catch me if you can&quot; that tells the same story
to a different tune)

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#6: Re: ANN. EDS magazine pages updated with new sound and tune files

Posted on 2006-06-11 20:10:46 by anahata

anahata wrote:
&gt; original version of Lucy Wan as sung by Charlotte Few, not the version
&gt; published in the Penguin Book (now &quot;Classic English Folk Songs&quot;) which
&gt; uses words taken from a broadside text.

correction: Child, not a broadside
(Mary now tells me)
(sorry)

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#7: Re: ANN. EDS magazine pages updated with new sound and tune files

Posted on 2006-06-12 02:59:21 by Malcolm Douglas

anahata wrote:

&gt; anahata wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; original version of Lucy Wan as sung by Charlotte Few, not the version
&gt;&gt; published in the Penguin Book (now &quot;Classic English Folk Songs&quot;) which
&gt;&gt; uses words taken from a broadside text.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; correction: Child, not a broadside
&gt; (Mary now tells me)
&gt; (sorry)

Strictly speaking, the 'Penguin' text is Charlotte's, *augmented* from
Child 51A, but omitting both a two-line fragment that she remembered,
and the fact that she repeated the second half of each verse.

Full details are in CEFS.

Mary's piece in ED&amp;S was very interesting, and the recording of 'The
Cuckoo and the Nightingale' thoroughly enjoyable. I look forward to
hearing more of both.

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#8: Re: ANN. EDS magazine pages updated with new sound and tune files

Posted on 2006-06-12 12:11:22 by Mary Humphreys

Malcolm Douglas wrote:
&gt;
&gt; Strictly speaking, the 'Penguin' text is Charlotte's, *augmented* from
&gt; Child 51A, but omitting both a two-line fragment that she remembered,
&gt; and the fact that she repeated the second half of each verse.
&gt;
Thank you for the correction Malcolm. You deserve all the credit for
being so generous with the information which that put me on the trail of
Charlotte &amp; Ella Bull in the first instance. I have now got several more
reconstructions from that wonderful source and intend to record them all
eventually. In my version of Lucy Wan I will be keeping all the original
words and the repeats.
Mary

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#9: Re: ANN. EDS magazine pages updated with new sound and tune files

Posted on 2006-06-12 17:32:22 by Abby Sale

On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 16:52:04 +0100, &quot;Derek Schofield&quot;
&lt;<a href="mailto:derek&#64;nospamdschofield.demon.co.uk" target="_blank">derek&#64;nospamdschofield.demon.co.uk</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;The magazine is sent to all members of the EFDSS. Or you can subscribe to
&gt;the magazine only (£15 pa incl p&amp;p) or you can buy individual copies for
&gt;£2.50 + £1 p&amp;p. Cheques payable to EFDSS. Details on the website
&gt;www.efdss.org

I wrote them to see if it's purchasable or at least payable online.

Thanks all for this most interesting stuff.

Thanks Mary &amp; Anharta, too. I echo Malcolm:

&gt; 'The
&gt;Cuckoo and the Nightingale' thoroughly enjoyable. I look forward to
&gt;hearing more of both.

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#10: Re: ANN. EDS magazine pages updated with new sound and tune files

Posted on 2006-06-12 19:38:01 by johnny adams

&gt; On 11 Jun 2006 04:34:45 -0700, &quot;johnny adams&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:johnadams&#64;imailbox.com" target="_blank">johnadams&#64;imailbox.com</a>&gt;
&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt;The Summer issue of English Dance &amp; Song has just been published and
&gt; &gt;the contents page can be viewed at
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;<a href="http://eds.efdss.org." target="_blank">http://eds.efdss.org.</a>
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;This quarter, sound files in mp3 format include a specially recorded
&gt; &gt;track by Mary Humphreys &amp; Anahata,
&gt;


Abby Sale wrote:
&gt; It's Good to start seeing efdss online. I much look forward to a serious
&gt; availability of their sound and book files. Much.

Online content is certainly something we'd all like to see, certainly
me as the efdss web services director. The problem is, as always,
getting someone to pay for it. If we had a few hundred more members
that would be a start.

We HAVE managed to get some important catalogues on line in the last
few weeks and that has been due to a huge effort by the library team
and their volunteers.

(See <a href="http://library.efdss.org" target="_blank">http://library.efdss.org</a>)

The main thrust of our fund raising is presently towards safeguarding
the physical presence of the library without which the future
electronic access will not be possible.

Johnny Adams
EFDSS Vice Chair (Promotion Marketing and Web Services)

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#11: Re: ANN. EDS magazine pages updated with new sound and tune files

Posted on 2006-06-12 20:49:15 by Diane Easby

anahata wrote:
&gt; There is a song called &quot;catch me if you can&quot; that tells the same story
&gt; to a different tune.

Yes, indeed. Pete Coe collected it from Cornish traveller Sophie Legg
of Bodmin in 1978 though Cornish singer Brenda Wootton was doing it a
decade earlier. I heard Mary and Anahata do 'The Cuckoo &amp; The
Nightingale' for the first time a couple of weeks ago at the Old Rose &amp;
Crown and everybody there loved it, even though the title sounds like a
pub converted from a carpet warehouse or a bank ;-)

It's great to see EDS being dragged, kicking and screaming, just a
little way into the digital age. But whose idea was it to give the
printed mag such a naff cover? (Sorry Derek if it was yours, but c'mon
.. . . )

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#12: Re: ANN. EDS magazine pages updated with new sound and tune files

Posted on 2006-06-13 00:02:31 by Molly Mockford

At 19:03:20 on Sun, 11 Jun 2006, anahata &lt;<a href="mailto:anahata&#64;reply-to.address" target="_blank">anahata&#64;reply-to.address</a>&gt;
wrote in &lt;448c5ae8$0$69379$<a href="mailto:ed2619ec&#64;ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net" target="_blank">ed2619ec&#64;ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net</a>&gt;:

&gt;Abby Sale wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; But here's the thing; Humphreys sings a nice little song, &quot;The Cuckoo and
&gt;&gt; the Nightingale&quot; I've never before heard.
&gt;
&gt;It's probably not been sung in the hundred years since it was
&gt;collected, as it wasn't published then. So Mary and I would be very
&gt;surprised if you had heard it!

Ah, but Abby's not as young as he was... ;-}
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deserve neither liberty nor safety - Benjamin Franklin
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#13: Re: ANN. EDS magazine pages updated with new sound and tune files

Posted on 2006-06-13 11:22:31 by Nick Wagg

&quot;johnny adams&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:johnadams&#64;imailbox.com" target="_blank">johnadams&#64;imailbox.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;
&gt; Online content is certainly something we'd all like to see, certainly
&gt; me as the efdss web services director. The problem is, as always,
&gt; getting someone to pay for it.

Funding for hosting and maintenance has to be found, certainly,
but that can be offset against reduced printing costs. Of course,
it's the change-over period which is most expensive.

&gt; If we had a few hundred more members that would be a start.

A few weeks ago I did post in this forum a genuine request for information
as to why I might like to become a member in reply to a post from
someone in your organisation but it was misinterpreted as a jibe and
I received a somewhat sarcastic diatribe in response.

&gt; We HAVE managed to get some important catalogues on line in the last
&gt; few weeks and that has been due to a huge effort by the library team
&gt; and their volunteers.
&gt;
&gt; (See <a href="http://library.efdss.org" target="_blank">http://library.efdss.org</a>)
&gt;
&gt; The main thrust of our fund raising is presently towards safeguarding
&gt; the physical presence of the library without which the future
&gt; electronic access will not be possible.

Excellent.

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