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#1: Nick Drake, Beatles, Apple?

Posted on 2006-06-10 19:26:45 by Rango

I've been on a Nick Drake jag for the last week or so, having
rediscovered "Five Leaves Left" and "Bryter Layter" amidst a pile of
CDs. The young man was incredible -- he's always reminded me of the
popular music equivalent of Van Gogh, especially in terms of the lack
of notice both men received in the brief time they were each alive.

While I was listening to the discs, I was wondering if any of The
Beatles had ever made mention of Drake. I don't know why, but it seems
there should be some kind of connection. At the time of "Five Leaves
Left" Drake would have seemed an ideal candidate for Apple Records --
it's a wonder that happenstance missed such an opportunity.

I'd heard a rumor that Drake had paid a visit to Lennon's Tittenhurst
Estate, but no one was living there at the time. True?

There also seems to be a Beatles reference in Drake's song "Day Is
Done":

When the bird has flown
Got no-one to call your own
Got no place to call your home
When the bird has flown.

Anyone one know if John, Paul, George, or Ringo has ever acknowledge
Nick Drake? Is there any evidence of Drake having been influenced by
The Beatles?

Wondering...

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#2: Re: Nick Drake, Beatles, Apple?

Posted on 2006-06-10 20:46:43 by Stig

Cannot comment on the Bestle connection, but I LOVE Pink Moon. Everytime I
hear this guy, I get more impressed. Another great one lost in their prime..
&quot;Rango&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:drphrankenbeans&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">drphrankenbeans&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; I've been on a Nick Drake jag for the last week or so, having
&gt; rediscovered &quot;Five Leaves Left&quot; and &quot;Bryter Layter&quot; amidst a pile of
&gt; CDs. The young man was incredible -- he's always reminded me of the
&gt; popular music equivalent of Van Gogh, especially in terms of the lack
&gt; of notice both men received in the brief time they were each alive.
&gt;
&gt; While I was listening to the discs, I was wondering if any of The
&gt; Beatles had ever made mention of Drake. I don't know why, but it seems
&gt; there should be some kind of connection. At the time of &quot;Five Leaves
&gt; Left&quot; Drake would have seemed an ideal candidate for Apple Records --
&gt; it's a wonder that happenstance missed such an opportunity.
&gt;
&gt; I'd heard a rumor that Drake had paid a visit to Lennon's Tittenhurst
&gt; Estate, but no one was living there at the time. True?
&gt;
&gt; There also seems to be a Beatles reference in Drake's song &quot;Day Is
&gt; Done&quot;:
&gt;
&gt; When the bird has flown
&gt; Got no-one to call your own
&gt; Got no place to call your home
&gt; When the bird has flown.
&gt;
&gt; Anyone one know if John, Paul, George, or Ringo has ever acknowledge
&gt; Nick Drake? Is there any evidence of Drake having been influenced by
&gt; The Beatles?
&gt;
&gt; Wondering...
&gt;

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#3: Re: Nick Drake, Beatles, Apple?

Posted on 2006-06-11 00:16:30 by abe slaney

Rango wrote:

&gt; Anyone one know if John, Paul, George, or Ringo has ever acknowledge
&gt; Nick Drake? Is there any evidence of Drake having been influenced by
&gt; The Beatles?

I've been listening to a lot of Nick Drake, too. It seems to me that in
general, The Beatles didn't pay much attention to the English folk
revival. When they did tip their hat to folk or traditional music, it
was to contemporary American folk/rock artists like Dylan, the Byrds,
etc., or more country-oriented material. I've never heard any of the
Beatles mention Fairport Convention, John Martyn, Steeleye Span,
Pentagle or the like.

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#4: Re: Nick Drake, Beatles, Apple?

Posted on 2006-06-11 01:55:35 by putmeatthetop

abe slaney &lt;<a href="mailto:abeslaneyis&#64;itagain.com" target="_blank">abeslaneyis&#64;itagain.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; Rango wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; Anyone one know if John, Paul, George, or Ringo has ever acknowledge
&gt; &gt; Nick Drake? Is there any evidence of Drake having been influenced by
&gt; &gt; The Beatles?

1969, 1970 and 1972 are the release dates for Drake....

Just a clue ....



&gt;
&gt; I've been listening to a lot of Nick Drake, too. It seems to me that in
&gt; general, The Beatles didn't pay much attention to the English folk
&gt; revival. When they did tip their hat to folk or traditional music, it
&gt; was to contemporary American folk/rock artists like Dylan, the Byrds,
&gt; etc., or more country-oriented material. I've never heard any of the
&gt; Beatles mention Fairport Convention, John Martyn, Steeleye Span,
&gt; Pentagle or the like.

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#5: Re: Nick Drake, Beatles, Apple?

Posted on 2006-06-11 13:51:50 by castro

Nick's friend Paul Wheeler was one of John's personal assistants at
Tittenhurst Park. Sometime after John left in September 1971, Wheeler
invited Nick round for a visit. You can read about it in Patrick
Humphries' biography of Nick. Tittenhurst was kept in a state of
suspended animation for a while after John left - it wasn't clear
whether he would return or not, so Nick got the grand tour of the place
when it was still full of John's clothes, guitars etc. As far as Nick
being influenced by The Beatles, he was very impressed by the Plastic
Ono Band single Cold Turkey, feeling it was brave for one of The
Beatles to be writing so explicitly about such a subject.
The Beatles never directly acknowledged the folk boom of the late 60's,
but there were reports at the time that The Incredible String Band's
records from 1967/1968 (5000 Spirits/Hangman's Beautiful Daughter) were
listened to and liked in Beatle circles. A telegram of condolence from
The Beatles was also sent to Fairport Convention following their fatal
van accident in 1969. More directly, Donovan went to India at the same
time they did, and has memories of teaching John the folk style of
fingerpicking that he then put to good use on Julia, Happiness Is A
Warm Gun, etc.
Federal Witness Number One wrote:
&gt; abe slaney &lt;<a href="mailto:abeslaneyis&#64;itagain.com" target="_blank">abeslaneyis&#64;itagain.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; Rango wrote:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; Anyone one know if John, Paul, George, or Ringo has ever acknowledge
&gt; &gt; &gt; Nick Drake? Is there any evidence of Drake having been influenced by
&gt; &gt; &gt; The Beatles?
&gt;
&gt; 1969, 1970 and 1972 are the release dates for Drake....
&gt;
&gt; Just a clue ....
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; I've been listening to a lot of Nick Drake, too. It seems to me that in
&gt; &gt; general, The Beatles didn't pay much attention to the English folk
&gt; &gt; revival. When they did tip their hat to folk or traditional music, it
&gt; &gt; was to contemporary American folk/rock artists like Dylan, the Byrds,
&gt; &gt; etc., or more country-oriented material. I've never heard any of the
&gt; &gt; Beatles mention Fairport Convention, John Martyn, Steeleye Span,
&gt; &gt; Pentagle or the like.

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#6: Re: Nick Drake, Beatles, Apple?

Posted on 2006-06-11 14:04:49 by castro

Another connection with the ISB - it was The Fool, closely involved
with the Apple boutique of course, who designed the cover of 5000
Spirits....
castro wrote:
&gt; Nick's friend Paul Wheeler was one of John's personal assistants at
&gt; Tittenhurst Park. Sometime after John left in September 1971, Wheeler
&gt; invited Nick round for a visit. You can read about it in Patrick
&gt; Humphries' biography of Nick. Tittenhurst was kept in a state of
&gt; suspended animation for a while after John left - it wasn't clear
&gt; whether he would return or not, so Nick got the grand tour of the place
&gt; when it was still full of John's clothes, guitars etc. As far as Nick
&gt; being influenced by The Beatles, he was very impressed by the Plastic
&gt; Ono Band single Cold Turkey, feeling it was brave for one of The
&gt; Beatles to be writing so explicitly about such a subject.
&gt; The Beatles never directly acknowledged the folk boom of the late 60's,
&gt; but there were reports at the time that The Incredible String Band's
&gt; records from 1967/1968 (5000 Spirits/Hangman's Beautiful Daughter) were
&gt; listened to and liked in Beatle circles. A telegram of condolence from
&gt; The Beatles was also sent to Fairport Convention following their fatal
&gt; van accident in 1969. More directly, Donovan went to India at the same
&gt; time they did, and has memories of teaching John the folk style of
&gt; fingerpicking that he then put to good use on Julia, Happiness Is A
&gt; Warm Gun, etc.
&gt; Federal Witness Number One wrote:
&gt; &gt; abe slaney &lt;<a href="mailto:abeslaneyis&#64;itagain.com" target="_blank">abeslaneyis&#64;itagain.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; Rango wrote:
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Anyone one know if John, Paul, George, or Ringo has ever acknowledge
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Nick Drake? Is there any evidence of Drake having been influenced by
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; The Beatles?
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; 1969, 1970 and 1972 are the release dates for Drake....
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Just a clue ....
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; I've been listening to a lot of Nick Drake, too. It seems to me that in
&gt; &gt; &gt; general, The Beatles didn't pay much attention to the English folk
&gt; &gt; &gt; revival. When they did tip their hat to folk or traditional music, it
&gt; &gt; &gt; was to contemporary American folk/rock artists like Dylan, the Byrds,
&gt; &gt; &gt; etc., or more country-oriented material. I've never heard any of the
&gt; &gt; &gt; Beatles mention Fairport Convention, John Martyn, Steeleye Span,
&gt; &gt; &gt; Pentagle or the like.

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