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#1: Tal Farlow's Verve Sessions Guitar

Posted on 2006-06-03 09:09:34 by Jeff

Hi,

Does anybody know what kind of guitar Tal Farlow is playing on the
cover of the Mosaic box set "The Complete Verve Tal Farlow Sessions"?

The largest picture I could find on the web is:

<a href="http://www.jazzguitar.dsl.pipex.com/TalFarlow/Disco/pics/MosaicVerve.jpg" target="_blank"> http://www.jazzguitar.dsl.pipex.com/TalFarlow/Disco/pics/Mos aicVerve.jpg</a>

At first glance, I thought it looked like some kind of Les Paul, which
of course, would be an unusual choice. Then I noticed the Florentine
cutaway, wooden bridge, thicker body and f-holes! The guitar seems
unusually plain, but then black and white picture probably doesn't do
it justice.

It appears to be a single pickup guitar and perhaps not thick enough to
be an ES-175. Some of the bibliographical information says Tal played
an ES-350 throughout the 50s.

Check out the improvised guitar strap!

Thanks for satisfying my curiosity,

- jeff -

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#2: Re: Tal Farlow's Verve Sessions Guitar

Posted on 2006-06-03 10:28:30 by tombrown

It's hard to tell from that picture. An L4 or ES175 I would guess. I
have seen ES350s with the pointy cutaway, but I think those came later.
The ones from the 1950s mostly have the rounded cutaways AFAIK.


Jeff wrote:
&gt; Hi,
&gt;
&gt; Does anybody know what kind of guitar Tal Farlow is playing on the
&gt; cover of the Mosaic box set &quot;The Complete Verve Tal Farlow Sessions&quot;?
&gt;
&gt; The largest picture I could find on the web is:
&gt;
&gt; <a href="http://www.jazzguitar.dsl.pipex.com/TalFarlow/Disco/pics/MosaicVerve.jpg" target="_blank"> http://www.jazzguitar.dsl.pipex.com/TalFarlow/Disco/pics/Mos aicVerve.jpg</a>
&gt;
&gt; At first glance, I thought it looked like some kind of Les Paul, which
&gt; of course, would be an unusual choice. Then I noticed the Florentine
&gt; cutaway, wooden bridge, thicker body and f-holes! The guitar seems
&gt; unusually plain, but then black and white picture probably doesn't do
&gt; it justice.
&gt;
&gt; It appears to be a single pickup guitar and perhaps not thick enough to
&gt; be an ES-175. Some of the bibliographical information says Tal played
&gt; an ES-350 throughout the 50s.
&gt;
&gt; Check out the improvised guitar strap!
&gt;
&gt; Thanks for satisfying my curiosity,
&gt;
&gt; - jeff -

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#3: Re: Tal Farlow's Verve Sessions Guitar

Posted on 2006-06-03 15:07:37 by Larry Grinnell

It was an ES-140. Here's the story from
<a href="http://www.jazzguitar.dsl.pipex.com/TalFarlow/WithRedNorvo.htm" target="_blank"> http://www.jazzguitar.dsl.pipex.com/TalFarlow/WithRedNorvo.h tm</a>

In summer 1951 the trio was booked into New York¹s Embers club for a
residency. During this time one of the TV stations wanted to run a
series of broadcasts featuring the trio using brand new colour TV
technology. However the TV executives asked Red to find another (white)
bassist for the shows. It seems more than likely that due to the then
prevailing racial atmosphere the TV Executives were nervous of
offending their Southern sponsors. Red was very unhappy about doing so
but in the end could not budge them and so with great reluctance, as he
did not want to lose the TV opportunity altogether, asked Charlie if he
would stand down for the TV shows while continuing with the trio at the
Embers club. This must have acted as a trigger for Charlie as he
decided more or less there and then that it was time for a career
change and quit the trio. Mingus describes the incident in his book
³Beneath the Underdog² and was clearly bitter about Red¹s unwillingness
to discuss the issue afterwards. To a lesser extent he also appears to
blame Tal for lack of communication describing him as ³the guitarist
who never says anything.² The likely explanation for their silence is
that both Red and Tal were feeling at least very embarassed, and
probably rather guilty, by what had happened, but, short of refusing
the TV work altogether, there was very little they could have done
about it. However, Tal later said that in his view the issue was not a
racial one, but rather hinged on the fact that whereas both Red and he
were 802 Union card holders, Charlie was not. Nevertheless with the
benefit of hindsight, and given the decline in the power of the Union
over the intervening passage of time, when interviewed for an article
in Down Beat ( published in January 1982 some thirty years later ) Tal
felt that were the same situation to arise again at that time, they
would handle things differently and refuse to perform.

Although the technology being used for colour TV at that time was quite
effective it was very primitive by today's standards, and perhaps that
explained why the producer made a somewhat bizarre request that the
musicians' instruments be painted in strong primary colours - in the
case of Tal's guitar they wanted bright red. Once Tal had convinced the
producer that that was not the sort of treatment that one could mete
out to a cherished ES-250, the producer vowed to find him a guitar
which could be painted. Of course Tal realised that he would quite
likely be landed with a low quality instrument and although not
contracted to Gibson he had a very good relationship with them and did
not wish to offend them by being seen on national TV playing another
manufacturer's guitar. So thinking quickly he suggested that the
producer contact the Gibson guitar company and explain the situation.
Naturally enough once the company had had a chance to speak with Tal
they were happy to oblige and came up with a special bright red three
quarter size ES-140 which had a short scale length of 22.75&quot; which was
significantly less (by about two inches) than the already shortened
scale length of Tal's modified ES-250. Tal can be seen playing the red
ES140 guitar on the cover of the LP Howard McGhee Volume 2.

Larry Grinnell


In article &lt;<a href="mailto:1149318574.114478.38810&#64;y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com" target="_blank">1149318574.114478.38810&#64;y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com</a>&gt;, Jeff
&lt;<a href="mailto:z_entropy&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">z_entropy&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; Hi,
&gt;
&gt; Does anybody know what kind of guitar Tal Farlow is playing on the
&gt; cover of the Mosaic box set &quot;The Complete Verve Tal Farlow Sessions&quot;?
&gt;
&gt; The largest picture I could find on the web is:
&gt;
&gt; <a href="http://www.jazzguitar.dsl.pipex.com/TalFarlow/Disco/pics/MosaicVerve.jpg" target="_blank"> http://www.jazzguitar.dsl.pipex.com/TalFarlow/Disco/pics/Mos aicVerve.jpg</a>
&gt;
&gt; At first glance, I thought it looked like some kind of Les Paul, which
&gt; of course, would be an unusual choice. Then I noticed the Florentine
&gt; cutaway, wooden bridge, thicker body and f-holes! The guitar seems
&gt; unusually plain, but then black and white picture probably doesn't do
&gt; it justice.
&gt;
&gt; It appears to be a single pickup guitar and perhaps not thick enough to
&gt; be an ES-175. Some of the bibliographical information says Tal played
&gt; an ES-350 throughout the 50s.
&gt;
&gt; Check out the improvised guitar strap!
&gt;
&gt; Thanks for satisfying my curiosity,
&gt;
&gt; - jeff -
&gt;


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#4: Re: Tal Farlow's Verve Sessions Guitar

Posted on 2006-06-03 16:31:27 by pmfan57

Larry Grinnell wrote:
&gt; It was an ES-140. Here's the story from
&gt; <a href="http://www.jazzguitar.dsl.pipex.com/TalFarlow/WithRedNorvo.htm" target="_blank"> http://www.jazzguitar.dsl.pipex.com/TalFarlow/WithRedNorvo.h tm</a>
&gt;
&gt; In summer 1951 the trio was booked into New York=B9s Embers club for a
&gt; residency. During this time one of the TV stations wanted to run a
&gt; series of broadcasts featuring the trio using brand new colour TV
&gt; technology. However the TV executives asked Red to find another (white)
&gt; bassist for the shows. It seems more than likely that due to the then
&gt; prevailing racial atmosphere the TV Executives were nervous of
&gt; offending their Southern sponsors. Red was very unhappy about doing so
&gt; but in the end could not budge them and so with great reluctance, as he
&gt; did not want to lose the TV opportunity altogether, asked Charlie if he
&gt; would stand down for the TV shows while continuing with the trio at the
&gt; Embers club. This must have acted as a trigger for Charlie as he
&gt; decided more or less there and then that it was time for a career
&gt; change and quit the trio. Mingus describes the incident in his book
&gt; =B3Beneath the Underdog=B2 and was clearly bitter about Red=B9s unwilling=
ness
&gt; to discuss the issue afterwards. To a lesser extent he also appears to
&gt; blame Tal for lack of communication describing him as =B3the guitarist
&gt; who never says anything.=B2 The likely explanation for their silence is
&gt; that both Red and Tal were feeling at least very embarassed, and
&gt; probably rather guilty, by what had happened, but, short of refusing
&gt; the TV work altogether, there was very little they could have done
&gt; about it. However, Tal later said that in his view the issue was not a
&gt; racial one, but rather hinged on the fact that whereas both Red and he
&gt; were 802 Union card holders, Charlie was not. Nevertheless with the
&gt; benefit of hindsight, and given the decline in the power of the Union
&gt; over the intervening passage of time, when interviewed for an article
&gt; in Down Beat ( published in January 1982 some thirty years later ) Tal
&gt; felt that were the same situation to arise again at that time, they
&gt; would handle things differently and refuse to perform.
&gt;
&gt; Although the technology being used for colour TV at that time was quite
&gt; effective it was very primitive by today's standards, and perhaps that
&gt; explained why the producer made a somewhat bizarre request that the
&gt; musicians' instruments be painted in strong primary colours - in the
&gt; case of Tal's guitar they wanted bright red. Once Tal had convinced the
&gt; producer that that was not the sort of treatment that one could mete
&gt; out to a cherished ES-250, the producer vowed to find him a guitar
&gt; which could be painted. Of course Tal realised that he would quite
&gt; likely be landed with a low quality instrument and although not
&gt; contracted to Gibson he had a very good relationship with them and did
&gt; not wish to offend them by being seen on national TV playing another
&gt; manufacturer's guitar. So thinking quickly he suggested that the
&gt; producer contact the Gibson guitar company and explain the situation.
&gt; Naturally enough once the company had had a chance to speak with Tal
&gt; they were happy to oblige and came up with a special bright red three
&gt; quarter size ES-140 which had a short scale length of 22.75&quot; which was
&gt; significantly less (by about two inches) than the already shortened
&gt; scale length of Tal's modified ES-250. Tal can be seen playing the red
&gt; ES140 guitar on the cover of the LP Howard McGhee Volume 2.
&gt;
&gt; Larry Grinnell
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; In article &lt;<a href="mailto:1149318574.114478.38810&#64;y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com" target="_blank">1149318574.114478.38810&#64;y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com</a>&gt;, Jeff
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:z_entropy&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">z_entropy&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; Hi,
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Does anybody know what kind of guitar Tal Farlow is playing on the
&gt; &gt; cover of the Mosaic box set &quot;The Complete Verve Tal Farlow Sessions&quot;?
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; The largest picture I could find on the web is:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; <a href="http://www.jazzguitar.dsl.pipex.com/TalFarlow/Disco/pics/MosaicVerve.jpg" target="_blank"> http://www.jazzguitar.dsl.pipex.com/TalFarlow/Disco/pics/Mos aicVerve.jpg</a>
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; At first glance, I thought it looked like some kind of Les Paul, which
&gt; &gt; of course, would be an unusual choice. Then I noticed the Florentine
&gt; &gt; cutaway, wooden bridge, thicker body and f-holes! The guitar seems
&gt; &gt; unusually plain, but then black and white picture probably doesn't do
&gt; &gt; it justice.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; It appears to be a single pickup guitar and perhaps not thick enough to
&gt; &gt; be an ES-175. Some of the bibliographical information says Tal played
&gt; &gt; an ES-350 throughout the 50s.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Check out the improvised guitar strap!
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Thanks for satisfying my curiosity,
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; - jeff -
&gt; &gt;
&gt;
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Funny that with those big hands he liked to play short scale. This is
like the kind of guitar RB would play!

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#5: Re: Tal Farlow's Verve Sessions Guitar

Posted on 2006-06-04 20:24:17 by Jeff

&gt; Jeff &lt;<a href="mailto:z_entropy&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">z_entropy&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt; Does anybody know what kind of guitar Tal Farlow is playing on the
&gt; &gt; cover of the Mosaic box set &quot;The Complete Verve Tal Farlow Sessions&quot;?
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; The largest picture I could find on the web is:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; <a href="http://www.jazzguitar.dsl.pipex.com/TalFarlow/Disco/pics/MosaicVerve.jpg" target="_blank"> http://www.jazzguitar.dsl.pipex.com/TalFarlow/Disco/pics/Mos aicVerve.jpg</a>

Larry Grinnell wrote:
&gt; It was an ES-140. Here's the story from
&gt; <a href="http://www.jazzguitar.dsl.pipex.com/TalFarlow/WithRedNorvo.htm" target="_blank"> http://www.jazzguitar.dsl.pipex.com/TalFarlow/WithRedNorvo.h tm</a>

Very interesting! Thanks for the reply and the great story, Larry.

- jeff -

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