Re: Without sweet Jews, there would be no WHO! eheee

hrough a
fairly recent book (maybe "birth of the cool" (hip?)) in a bookstore.
The author was describing relationships between Jews and blacks in the
early days of recorded blues/R&B, where Jews were often
producers/managers, and blacks, of course, artists. He touched on
themes like the fraternity they could have due to both being outsider
groups in U.S. society, tensions due to the cultures being so
different, and unfairness in the sharing of profits. Pretty interesting
overall, but there was one specific story that really made me howl.
There was a producer or manager (I don't remember any names) whose dad
happened to be a cantor (which is the guy who does the main singing in
synagogue prayer). Apparently, a blues singer connected to the
producer, upon first hearing the cantor, exclaimed, "where did he get
that phrasing? That's *MY* phrasing". And when the cantor first heard
the singer, he said pretty much the same thing! (Maybe someone who's
actually got the book can fix up the details.)Neil in Winnipeg wrote:
> Here's a related snippet. A few months back, I was skimming through
> a
> fairly recent book (maybe "birth of the cool" (hip?)) in a
> bookstore.
> The author was describing relationships between Jews and blacks in
> the early days of recorded blues/R&B, where Jews were often
> producers/managers, and blacks, of course, artis

Re: Without sweet Jews, there would be no WHO! eheee

ts. He touched on
> themes like the fraternity they could have due to both being
> outsider
> groups in U.S. society, tensions due to the cultures being so
> different, and unfairness in the sharing of profits. Pretty
> interesting overall, but there was one specific story that really
> made me howl. There was a producer or manager (I don't remember any
> names) whose dad happened to be a cantor (which is the guy who does
> the main singing in synagogue prayer). Apparently, a blues singer
> connected to the producer, upon first hearing the cantor, exclaimed,
> "where did he get that phrasing? That's *MY* phrasing". And when the
> cantor first heard the singer, he said pretty much the same thing!
> (Maybe someone who's actually got the book can fix up the details.)

It wouldn't be:



would it?


Cheers,

PhilNeil in Winnipeg wrote:
> Darrin wrote (in rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1960s, among others):
>
> "What I took back, because of my exposure to the Jewish music of the
> 30s and the 40s in my upbringing with my father, was that kind of
> theatrical songwriting. It was always a part of my character. This
> desire to make people laugh" - PETE TOWNSHEND

> Here

Re: Without sweet Jews, there would be no WHO! eheee

's a related snippet. A few months back, I was skimming through a
> fairly recent book (maybe "birth of the cool" (hip?)) in a bookstore.
> The author was describing relationships between Jews and blacks in the
> early days of recorded blues/R&B, where Jews were often
> producers/managers, and blacks, of course, artists.

Halla, Bear, Humbug, et al - this is how self-assured and knowing
individuals respond to the beauty & brilliance of the Jewish
people!eheheh Learn from those who are sane! eh Neil, so much so that
Jews created the first major blues label: Chess Records (Leonard & Phil
Chess). Even behind the scenes, Jews were instrumental (no pun
intended!eh) in making popular music what it now is today: Emile "The
Sound Of Genius" Berliner, whose microphone and gramophone (Victor
Talking Machine - aka RCA) gave way to the modern-day record industry.
Peter Carl Goldmark, whose 33 1/3 LP greatly increased the playing time
of records. Alan Freed who coined the term "rock 'n' roll." Clive
Davis (b. Bklyn, founder of Arista/J records), who is arguably one of
the most influential producers in music history. Jerry Wexler
(co-founder Atlantic Records), who coined the term "R&B" while writing
for Billboard. Before him, it had been referred to as "race music."
Phil Spector (b. NYC), who brought "The Wall of Sound" to his
producing/writing genius. From Dylan (b. Zimmerman) to Gershwin (b.
Gershowitz, NYC), from pop to rock, jazz to classical, Jews (2% of the
American population - most successful ethnic group in the US) are all
over the musical map! Here's just a taste of the many legendary Jewish
names in music:

Irving Berlin (b. Israel Isidor Baline, raised in NYC)
Mike Bloomfield - considered America's first great white blues
guitarist, Paul Butterfield Blues Band
George & Ira Gershwin (b. Gershowitz, NYC)
Sammy Cahn (b. Cohen, Manhattan - center of the universe)
Leonard Bernstein
Bob Dylan (b. Zimmerman - voice of a generation)
Barbara Streisand (b. Bklyn)
Bette Midler
Carly Simon (b. Manhattan)
Carol King (b. Klein, Bklyn)
Simon & Garfunkel (b. Queens)
Neil Diamond (b. Bklyn)
Barry Manilow (b. Pincus, Bklyn)
Billy Joel (b. Bronx, raised on LI)
Dinah Shore (father was a Cantor)
Eddie Fisher
Mel Torme (b. Torma)
Aaron Copland (b. Manhattan, "Dean of American composers")
Harry Connick Jr. (mother is Jewish)
Oscar Levant
Andre Previn (b. Prewin)
Burt Bacharach
Marvin Hamlisch (b. Manhattan)
Adolph Green
Rodgers & Hart (b. Manhattan)
Oscar Hammerstein II (b. Manhattan)
Lerner (b. Manhattan) & Loewe
Kander & Ebb (b. Manhattan)
Steven Sondheim (b. Manhattan)
Yitzhak Perlman
Carol Bayer Sager (b. Manhattan)
Mandy Patinkin
Peter Green (b. Greenbaum, Fleetwood Mac)
Michael Bolton (b. Bolotin)
Kenny G (b. Gorelick)
Phil Spector (b. Manhattan, "Wall Of Sound")
Benny Goodman (King Of Swing)
Gustav Mahler
Felix Ludwig Mendelssohn
David Lee Roth
Leonard Cohen
Neil Sedaka (b. Manhattan)
Phil Ochs
Mama Cass Elliott (b. Ellen Cohen)
Lou Reed (b. NYC, family changed name from Rabinowitz)
Leiber & Stoller (Stoller - b. NYC)
Herb Alpert (also founded A&M records)
Buddy Rich (b. Bklyn)
Herbie Mann (b. Bklyn)
Bernard Hermann
Arthur Fiedler
Donald Fagen (Steely Dan)
Peter Yarrow (b. Manhattan, Peter, Paul & Mary)
Gene Simmons (b. Chaim Witz, Israel, raised in NYC) & Paul Stanley (b.
Eisen, Queens, KISS)
Manfred Mann (b. Lubowitz)
Joey Ramone (b. Jeffrey Hyman, Queens, NY - ala The Ramones - fathers
of punk)
Janis Ian (b. Fink, NYC)

He touched on
> themes like the fraternity they could have due to both being outsider
> groups in U.S. society, tensions due to the cultures being so
> different, and unfairness in the sharing of profits. Pretty interesting
> overall, but there was one specific story that really made me howl.
> There was a producer or manager (I don't remember any names) whose dad
> happened to be a cantor (which is the guy who does the main singing in
> synagogue prayer). Apparently, a blues singer connected to the
> producer, upon first hearing the cantor, exclaimed, "where did he get
> that phrasing? That's *MY* phrasing". And when the cantor first heard
> the singer, he said pretty much the same thing! (Maybe someone who's
> actually got the book can fix up the details.)Darrin, you ought to consider posts that promote discussion. I'm pretty
sure that most of the people on your list, from Irving Baline to Janis
Fink (were they all alive) would not approve of your snowing newsgroups
with large paste-ins.Neil in Winnipeg wrote:

> Darrin, you ought to consider posts that promote discussion. I'm pretty
> sure that most of the people on your list, from Irving

Re: Without sweet Jews, there would be no WHO! eheee

Baline to Janis
> Fink (were they all alive) would not approve of your snowing newsgroups
> with large paste-ins.

Neil, since when has Janis Ian not been alive?eh LOL! -D, NYC "In 1933,
a researcher discovered

Re: Without sweet Jews, there would be no WHO! eheee

consistent Jewish overrepresentation in the
classical music world, including "51% of the first violins of twelve
orchestras," 23.8% of the works "performed by symphony orchestras," and
so forth. Why was this so? Comparing Jewish and non-Jewish children,
Kenneth Sward found no intelligence differences, but speculated that
"the Jewish child maybe a superior all-around organism by 'nature'" -
WEYL, N.."They would part with all they've got...could they but once
more walk..with their best girl and have a twirl...on the Sidewalks of
New York" - LAWLOR & BLAKE.."I happen to like New York, I happen to
like this town. I like the city air, I like to drink of it, The more I
know New York the more I think of it. I like the sight and the sound
and even the stink of it" - COLE PORTER.."I mean the City of New
York...for New York is a wonder city, a veritable fairyland..with many
sights not to be seen in Massachusetts or Maryland" - OGDEN NASH.."Bad
sneakers and a pina colada my friend, stomping by the Avenue at Radio
City" - STEELY DAN (Donald Fagen is a sweet Jew).."Brooklyn owes the
charmer under me" - STEELY DAN..I've never felt uncomfortable with my
level of fame. I don't get hassled. Maybe sometimes in a minor way, but
New Yorkers are much too cool for that. The thing is, you choose to be
an actress, but not to be a celebrity" - RACHEL WEISZ (sweet
Yiddish-British, BSA Oscar for "The Constant Gardener").."Daddy don't
live in that New York City no more - he don't celebrate Sunday on a
Saturday night no more" - STEELY DAN.."From their boats of iron they
looked upon the promised land..where surely life was sweet..on the
rising tide to New York City" - STEELY DAN.."When I was at school I
thought it was fun to lark about and show off - and so I did a lot of
that - and my mother had always wanted to be an actress - and she was a
nice Jewish girl - and they didn't do that sort of thing in those days
- so she used to put me in for what we used to call music festivals -
and I would do poetry and stuff like that" - MARIAM MARGOLYES.."The
pursuit of knowledge for its own sake, an almost fanatical love of
justice, and the desire for personal independence - these are the
features of Jewish tradition that make me thank my stars that I belong
to it" - ALBERT EINSTEIN.."Well we did the Staten Island Ferry..making
movies for the tele..played the Fillmore and Apollo for freedom..tried
to shake our image..just a cycling through the Village" - JOHN LENNON
(NY's most famous adoptive son - Strawberry Fields Memorial, Central
Park - world's most famous recreational park).."This old town's no fun
at all without your love..And now it's all...Big Talk, Big Name, Big
Noise, New York..walked from the river..West Broadway..every stranger
spoke your name" - DONALD FAGEN.."I love New Orleans..I love the
romance..I love Sydney, Australia..I love anywhere in France..I love
Dublin, I love London and Berlin..But New York is the best of any place
I've bin' '" - TOM TOM CLUB.."Well, a redneck nerd in a bowling shirt
was a-guzzlin' lone star beer..talking religion and-uh politics for all
the world to hear..they oughta send you back to Roosha boy, or New York
City one...you just want to doodle a Christian girl and you killed
God's only son..I said, has it occurred to you, you nerd, that that's
not very nice, we Jews believe it was Santa Claus that killed Jesus
Christ!" eh - KINKY FRIEDMAN & THE TEXAS JEWBOYSHad a look.. not much discussion on it, so I can't say for sure.

I thought it might have been

Birth Of The Cool : Beat, Bebop, and the American Avant Garde by Lewis
MacAdams

Re: Without sweet Jews, there would be no WHO! eheee

/> but after googling on reviews and discussions, I'm not sure about that
either. Dang.This album seems largely unavailable on CD in the UK.
It appears to have been deleted.
I managed to find a copy in Canada, but even the usual second hand place sin
the UK did not have any copies.

It was the only album I did not have on CD and its been a while since I
heard it.
There are some weak tracks on there but overall its actually got quite a lot
going for it.
The