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#1: Jim Hall - tuning a fourth lower????

Posted on 2005-07-10 16:44:51 by pettersen_michael

A magazine interview ("Metronome" June 1958) on Jim Hall stated: "Part
of Jim's difference in sound comes from the fact that he tunes his
guitar a perfect fourth below the usual guitar tuning. 'I find that
this gives me a better sound all around and especially in blending with
Jim Giuffre's clarinet.' "

As someone that has studied Hall's playing for years, I found this
statement "odd" as I have never heard this tuning on any of my many
Hall recordings.....until today.

I obtained a Hall LP recording from about 1963 entitled "A Girl and A
Guitar". The vocalist is Lee Schaefer. The entire album is American
folk songs and Hall's guitar is the only instrument on the record. And
it certainly sounds as if his entire guitar is tuned down a perfect
fourth, with the open lowest string as a "B". Though I am not certain,
it does not sound like he is playing a 7 string instrument.

I'd appreciate any comments from other Jim Hall admirers that may have
encountered this unusual tuning on other recodings.

Michael Pettersen
<a href="http://www.freddiegreen.org" target="_blank">http://www.freddiegreen.org</a>

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#2: Re: Jim Hall - tuning a fourth lower????

Posted on 2005-07-10 17:41:09 by unknown

On 10 Jul 2005 07:44:51 -0700, <a href="mailto:pettersen_michael&#64;shure.com" target="_blank">pettersen_michael&#64;shure.com</a> wrote:

&gt;A magazine interview (&quot;Metronome&quot; June 1958) on Jim Hall stated: &quot;Part
&gt;of Jim's difference in sound comes from the fact that he tunes his
&gt;guitar a perfect fourth below the usual guitar tuning. 'I find that
&gt;this gives me a better sound all around and especially in blending with
&gt;Jim Giuffre's clarinet.' &quot;
&gt;
&gt;Michael Pettersen
&gt;<a href="http://www.freddiegreen.org" target="_blank">http://www.freddiegreen.org</a>
&gt;

Hi, Michael.

Kenny Poole has been using what he calls &quot;deep tuning&quot; for many years.
Kenny is primarily a solo performer.

He tunes his guitar down a major third: C F Bb Eb G C It is quite
a good sound, providing a great deal more fullness in the bottom end.


It creates a variety of additional issues, the most obvious being that
the guitar is now in a different key from before, so if you are
playing with other people, you must transpose everything.

Kenny uses much thicker strings than usual in order to handle the
lowered pitch/reduced tension. He uses something like this:

6: 068
5: 052
4: 042
3: 030
2: 020
1: 016

Another issue is that the strings tend to drift out of tune more often
than when tuned at pitch.

It is a really rich sound to play a deep tuned guitar. There have
been several threads about deep tuning. If you search &quot;alto guitar&quot;
on google, you'll find them.

Tim





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#3: Re: Jim Hall - tuning a fourth lower????

Posted on 2005-07-10 18:27:47 by Dave Major

Quite a cool idea. I played on one of the cheap Danelectro Baritone
guitars which had an extended scale allowing you to tune down that far
without the guitar sounding muddy. Was a nice expierence as bass lines
had a much more 'bassey' feel, but the caveat being your missing the
ease of the high e. The 7 string would of course be the solution to
this problem.

On 2005-07-10 15:44:51 +0100, <a href="mailto:pettersen_michael&#64;shure.com" target="_blank">pettersen_michael&#64;shure.com</a> said:

&gt; A magazine interview (&quot;Metronome&quot; June 1958) on Jim Hall stated: &quot;Part
&gt; of Jim's difference in sound comes from the fact that he tunes his
&gt; guitar a perfect fourth below the usual guitar tuning. 'I find that
&gt; this gives me a better sound all around and especially in blending with
&gt; Jim Giuffre's clarinet.' &quot;
&gt;
&gt; As someone that has studied Hall's playing for years, I found this
&gt; statement &quot;odd&quot; as I have never heard this tuning on any of my many
&gt; Hall recordings.....until today.
&gt;
&gt; I obtained a Hall LP recording from about 1963 entitled &quot;A Girl and A
&gt; Guitar&quot;. The vocalist is Lee Schaefer. The entire album is American
&gt; folk songs and Hall's guitar is the only instrument on the record. And
&gt; it certainly sounds as if his entire guitar is tuned down a perfect
&gt; fourth, with the open lowest string as a &quot;B&quot;. Though I am not certain,
&gt; it does not sound like he is playing a 7 string instrument.
&gt;
&gt; I'd appreciate any comments from other Jim Hall admirers that may have
&gt; encountered this unusual tuning on other recodings.
&gt;
&gt; Michael Pettersen
&gt; <a href="http://www.freddiegreen.org" target="_blank">http://www.freddiegreen.org</a>


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#4: Re: Jim Hall - tuning a fourth lower????

Posted on 2005-07-10 19:18:16 by Nate Najar

I vaguely remember reading somewhere that when in Giuffre's band Hall
would tune down but I didn't know what interval. If you listen to
someof the Jimmy Giuffre 3 recordings with Hall and Brookmeyer you can
hear he definitely is tuned down- there's no bass in the band and Hall
covers all the harmonic and bass duties. Having a lower, bigger
sounding tuning would certainlyhelp here.

Nate

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