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#1: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-13 04:21:07 by El Kabong

Did I hallucinate that?

back in the 70's I saw a TV show that had George Benson
playing jazz with Glen Campbell, and Glen played his ass off!

Did anyone else see that?
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them fifteen, twenty years.&quot; - Thelonious Monk

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#2: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-13 04:46:25 by momalle3

I didn't but glen campbell was a great player. In interviews he's said
that his goal as a young man was to be the world's greatest jazz
guitarist, but then he realized Hank Garland already had the job. He
did a ton of sesssion work on guitar before becoming a singer

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#3: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-13 05:50:32 by VA3UX

A couple of years ago I saw a documentary on Glen Campbell. In one clip
of some very recent footage of him on stage he had a Strat hanging on
him while he sang. He hardly touched the guitar while he sang but when
the middle of the song came along, he fired off a solo that made my jaw
drop.

Johnny Asia wrote:
&gt; Did I hallucinate that?
&gt;
&gt; back in the 70's I saw a TV show that had George Benson
&gt; playing jazz with Glen Campbell, and Glen played his ass off!
&gt;
&gt; Did anyone else see that?
&gt; +
&gt;
&gt; Johnny Asia, Hippie Guitarist
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&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &quot;I say play your own way. Don't play what the public wants. You play what
&gt; you want and let the public pick up on what you're doing even if it does take
&gt; them fifteen, twenty years.&quot; - Thelonious Monk

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#4: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-13 05:51:19 by Winfield

Again, back in the 70's, Public Broadcasting had a guitar hour on
featuring George Benson, Earl Klug and Chet Atkins...Amazing guitar,
particularly by Benson..He smoked out incredible line after incredible
line...Atkins just smiled from time to time and did his own
thing...Klug was excellent. Benson lives in Phoenix and hangs out at
the Phoenician hotel a lot on weeknights. I asked him about it..he said
it was one of the best gigs he'd ever had...Apparently, he mentored
Klug and admired Atkins. Campbell also lives here and shows up
occasionally at a small club to play..He's still very good but not
nearly in Benson's class. Benson sits in at a club called Bobby C's
with Joey De Francesca and some other good local jazz
players...Incredibly playing by all of them, if you can get in to see
it. It's not open to the public..He sat in with De Francesca and Jimmy
Smith the Sunday before Smith passed away. Wish I'd been there for that
one. My guitar teach, Stan Sorenson (a very good player) was there...He
was impressed, to put it mildly...Said Benson was as good as ever and
Smith could still really play.

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#5: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-13 05:52:49 by Henry Moon

He still plays his ass off.
I wish I could have recorded one of his solos from a live concert. It
was jazz, but he played 2/5's, and lines like no other I've heard.
Stuff we all want.
Henry

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#6: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-13 07:00:43 by bob r

in article <a href="mailto:78rpa1l6n2tsmioscvlb1h8kvsqto76d24&#64;4ax.com" target="_blank">78rpa1l6n2tsmioscvlb1h8kvsqto76d24&#64;4ax.com</a>, Johnny Asia at
poki_pongo at yahoo.com wrote on 6/12/05 10:21 PM:

&gt; Did I hallucinate that?
&gt;
&gt; back in the 70's I saw a TV show that had George Benson
&gt; playing jazz with Glen Campbell, and Glen played his ass off!
&gt;
&gt; Did anyone else see that?
&gt; +

Yeah, I saw it. If memory serves, Glen got out an Ovation electric 12-string
at one point and was killin' on it.
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#7: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-13 08:26:19 by Paul Sawyer

I saw it and remember they both sounded fantastic. I believe it was either
&quot;The Midnight Special&quot; or &quot;Don Kirchner's Rock Concert&quot;.
During that era on those shows I also saw - Mahavishnu Orchestra, Steely
Dan, Miles Davis (with Dave Liebman), Jeff Beck jamming with Les Paul.
All this on network TV....

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#8: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-13 14:07:18 by cripe733

I saw it, too and most of those other ones (Mahavishnu, et al). Before
TV and radio became totally mindless dreck.

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#9: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-13 14:23:05 by Tom Walls

In article &lt;fG9re.3557$<a href="mailto:NX4.1368&#64;newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net" target="_blank">NX4.1368&#64;newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net</a>&gt;,
<a href="mailto:pasawyernospam&#64;mindspring.com" target="_blank">pasawyernospam&#64;mindspring.com</a> says...
&gt; I saw it and remember they both sounded fantastic. I believe it was either
&gt; &quot;The Midnight Special&quot; or &quot;Don Kirchner's Rock Concert&quot;.
&gt; During that era on those shows I also saw - Mahavishnu Orchestra, Steely
&gt; Dan, Miles Davis (with Dave Liebman), Jeff Beck jamming with Les Paul.
&gt; All this on network TV....
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
Back in the day, Glen -- along with Delaney Bramlet -- was a member of
the Shindogs on the rockin' musical tv show Shindig. They regularly tore
it up. Later Glen covered Donovan's &quot;Catch the Wind&quot; before the original
broke in the states. A few years later he was an overnight sensation.
--
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#10: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-13 14:38:20 by JMK

Paul Sawyer wrote:
&gt; I saw it and remember they both sounded fantastic. I believe it was either
&gt; &quot;The Midnight Special&quot; or &quot;Don Kirchner's Rock Concert&quot;.
&gt; During that era on those shows I also saw - Mahavishnu Orchestra, Steely
&gt; Dan, Miles Davis (with Dave Liebman), Jeff Beck jamming with Les Paul.
&gt; All this on network TV....

Both the Midnight Special and Don Kirchner's Rock Concert had an
amazingly diverse lineup. There was a lot of dreck tossed in that
one had to wade through, and often the TV Guide listings wouldn't
indicate that someone worthwhile was coming on, so dutifully I would
wait up until they would announce the lineup at the beginning of the
show.

I think the one where Beck jammed with Les Paul was when Billy
Squire hosted a tribute to Paul. Beck jammed on a tune and several
bars into it Les Paul reached over with a big smile on his face and
yanked Beck's cable out of his guitar. Beck attempted to get him
back (smiling as well) by messing with his tuners but Paul got
the headstock away in time.

One particularly amazing Midnight Special was hosted by the Cars,
and had a lineup selected by Ric Ocasek - it included Robert Fripp
(playing solo and explaining his Frippertronics system), the
synth duo Suicide, and BeBop Deluxe. On NBC.

JMK

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#11: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-13 14:52:27 by pmfan57

I do remember that, and my recollection is that Campbell played faster
and cleaner. GC was an awesome guitar player who could play as fast as
Dimeola when the mood hit him back in the 70's.


Johnny Asia wrote:
&gt; Did I hallucinate that?
&gt;
&gt; back in the 70's I saw a TV show that had George Benson
&gt; playing jazz with Glen Campbell, and Glen played his ass off!
&gt;
&gt; Did anyone else see that?
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&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &quot;I say play your own way. Don't play what the public wants. You play what
&gt; you want and let the public pick up on what you're doing even if it does take
&gt; them fifteen, twenty years.&quot; - Thelonious Monk

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#12: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-13 16:32:49 by El Kabong

On 13 Jun 2005 05:52:27 -0700, &quot;pmfan57&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:jwragusa&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">jwragusa&#64;aol.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;
&gt;I do remember that, and my recollection is that Campbell played faster
&gt;and cleaner. &gt;&gt;

Yep, I was rooming with a bass player who was a huge Benson fan,
and he looked at me with his eyes wide open and jaw dropped, and said
&quot;Holy shit! He's better than Benson!&quot;

Of course, my friend hadn't forgiven Benson for turning into a pop
singer.


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them fifteen, twenty years.&quot; - Thelonious Monk

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#13: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-13 16:48:03 by Joe Finn

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&gt;
&gt; Did I hallucinate that?
&gt;
&gt; back in the 70's I saw a TV show that had George Benson
&gt; playing jazz with Glen Campbell, and Glen played his ass off!
&gt;
&gt; Did anyone else see that?

I saw it too. I think Campbell had a variety show of some kind and Benson
came on to play one of his hit records like &quot;On Broadway&quot; possibly. Towards
the end of the show Campbell joined in on guitar. Although Glen could really
rip off a lot of fast scale wise stuff there was very little happening
harmonically or rhythmically that was of any interest. He's really not in
the same league as someone like Benson. .......joe

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#14: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-13 17:04:18 by jurupari

He's really not in
the same league as someone like Benson. .......joe


You're making that judgement on one performance?

I heard Glen for a few hours with the Champs back in about 1962.

He could hold his own with anybody based on that performance. He had
astonishing chops in any style those guys were playing, and they were
all jazz players playing dance music.

He was using a Fender, maybe a Jazzmaster and a showman amp. I have no
idea if he's kept up, but he deserved all the studio work he got - he
could do it all! I heard him a few times on his variety show - I don't
think I saw Benson, but I remember him jamming with Ray Charles. He was
pretty much playing to the show.

He was way over that live, I mean way way waaaaaay over that, and it
seemed to be triflin' for him - he barely paid attention to the axe,
just played it. I was flabbergasted at the time.


Clif Kuplen

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#15: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-13 17:28:25 by Paul Sanwald

my first guitar teacher was always telling me about how campbell could
play his ass off. any recordings of him doing this?

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#16: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-13 18:00:25 by Paul Sanwald

clif was this in raleigh? john wheliss was the guy that was always
raving about glen.

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#17: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-13 18:14:03 by bob r

in article <a href="mailto:1118678425.806801.165020&#64;g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com" target="_blank">1118678425.806801.165020&#64;g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com</a>, paul at
<a href="mailto:pcsanwald&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">pcsanwald&#64;gmail.com</a> wrote on 6/13/05 12:00 PM:

&gt; clif was this in raleigh? john wheliss was the guy that was always
&gt; raving about glen.

Wheliss is kind of a bad-ass himself. What's he doing nowadays?
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#18: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-13 19:23:44 by Paul Sanwald

I haven't talked to john in 5 years or so. I assume he's still teaching
around raleigh and keeping a low profile, but man can that guy play. I
played with him in 2001 and he sounded great!

--paul

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#19: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-13 19:49:03 by jurupari

clif was this in raleigh? john wheliss was the guy that was always
raving about glen.

No, this was at the Tower Ballroom in Pittsburg, Kansas. I was in
college in town then.

I never got to hear John Wheliss play guitar, but I'd chatted with him
and played his guitar, I think an L5 once - he had a rep as one hell of
a good guitarist - I've heard he can play Holdsworth's style as well as
straight ahead stuff. All that and medicine too, as I recall.

I heard a couple of really excellent guitarists that year, 1962. One
was Al Bruno, an out and out monster with Conway Twitty and Campbell
was the other. Man, he could play!

Heard Fats that year too, and he had a really good jazz guy, but not
like Cambell - that guy was like a superguitarist or something.

Clif

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#20: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-13 21:31:32 by vmagnanijr

&gt; Yeah, I saw it. If memory serves, Glen got out an Ovation electric 12-string
&gt; at one point and was killin' on it.
&gt; --
&gt; Bob Russell


I saw it too. I would LOVE to see it again. Yeah, Glen smoked. I
kind of remember George looking over at him with a big, surprised
smile. I don't think it was an Ovation acoustic, though. I think it
was one of those kidney bean shaped Ovation electrics. Geez, I miss
the 70's.

Vic

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#21: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-13 21:39:13 by Joe Finn

--

&lt;<a href="mailto:jurupari&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">jurupari&#64;aol.com</a>&gt; wrote&gt;
&gt;
&gt; You're making that judgement on one performance?


Only partially. I've heard lots of Glen Campbell's playing over the years.
Since he has been so popular this has been hard to avoid. He's really
terrific in that country/pop genre of his but it's hard to compare him with
somebody who plays with the harmonic sophistication and the rhythmic
propulsion of a George Benson.

George is one of the all time greats. .......joe



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#22: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-13 21:42:40 by bob r

in article <a href="mailto:1118691092.314361.210820&#64;f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com" target="_blank">1118691092.314361.210820&#64;f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com</a>,
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&gt;
&gt;&gt; Yeah, I saw it. If memory serves, Glen got out an Ovation electric 12-string
&gt;&gt; at one point and was killin' on it.
&gt;&gt; --
&gt;&gt; Bob Russell
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; I saw it too. I would LOVE to see it again. Yeah, Glen smoked. I
&gt; kind of remember George looking over at him with a big, surprised
&gt; smile. I don't think it was an Ovation acoustic, though. I think it
&gt; was one of those kidney bean shaped Ovation electrics. Geez, I miss
&gt; the 70's.
&gt;
&gt; Vic
&gt;

Yeah, as noted in my previous post, it was an electric 12-string. A
&quot;Preacher&quot; or &quot;Breadwinner&quot; or something funky like that. And he definitely
got a double take from George B. It would be nice to see it again; at that
time, I thought Glen had &quot;cut&quot; Benson, but I'm presently skeptical of my
then-youthful impression.
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#23: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-13 21:49:52 by vmagnanijr

&gt; Yeah, I saw it. If memory serves, Glen got out an Ovation electric 12-string
&gt; at one point and was killin' on it.
&gt; --
&gt; Bob Russell


I saw it too. I would LOVE to see it again. Yeah, Glen smoked. I
kind of remember George looking over at him with a big, surprised
smile. I don't think it was an Ovation acoustic, though. I think it
was one of those kidney bean shaped Ovation electrics. Geez, I miss
the 70's.

Vic

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#24: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-13 21:56:08 by oasysco

&gt;Yeah, as noted in my previous post, it was an electric 12-string. A
&gt;&quot;Preacher&quot; or &quot;Breadwinner&quot; or something funky like that. And he definitely
&gt;got a double take from George B. It would be nice to see it again; at that
&gt;time, I thought Glen had &quot;cut&quot; Benson, but I'm presently skeptical of my
&gt;then-youthful impression.

I remember a 70's TV show with Lee Rittenour and George Benson jamming.
Rit tore GB up. It looked as if GB hadn't practiced in awhile; his
chops were rusty.

Greg

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#25: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-13 22:17:26 by pmfan57

I remember Glen on one of his specials at about the same time as the
Midnight special show with GB. GC was playing a 335 and tore into a
solo with unbelievable picking, playing lines like DiMeola with country
and blues licks mixed in. He could do anything picking-wise.

I distinctly remember GC playing faster and cleaner than GB on that
show. Many jazz players that played in the studio with Glen had a high
opinion of his playing as well.


bob r wrote:
&gt; in article <a href="mailto:1118691092.314361.210820&#64;f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com" target="_blank">1118691092.314361.210820&#64;f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com</a>,
&gt; <a href="mailto:vmagnanijr&#64;netscape.net" target="_blank">vmagnanijr&#64;netscape.net</a> at <a href="mailto:vmagnanijr&#64;netscape.net" target="_blank">vmagnanijr&#64;netscape.net</a> wrote on 6/13/05 3:31 PM:
&gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; Yeah, I saw it. If memory serves, Glen got out an Ovation electric 12-string
&gt; &gt;&gt; at one point and was killin' on it.
&gt; &gt;&gt; --
&gt; &gt;&gt; Bob Russell
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; I saw it too. I would LOVE to see it again. Yeah, Glen smoked. I
&gt; &gt; kind of remember George looking over at him with a big, surprised
&gt; &gt; smile. I don't think it was an Ovation acoustic, though. I think it
&gt; &gt; was one of those kidney bean shaped Ovation electrics. Geez, I miss
&gt; &gt; the 70's.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Vic
&gt; &gt;
&gt;
&gt; Yeah, as noted in my previous post, it was an electric 12-string. A
&gt; &quot;Preacher&quot; or &quot;Breadwinner&quot; or something funky like that. And he definitely
&gt; got a double take from George B. It would be nice to see it again; at that
&gt; time, I thought Glen had &quot;cut&quot; Benson, but I'm presently skeptical of my
&gt; then-youthful impression.
&gt; --
&gt; Bob Russell
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#26: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-13 23:42:22 by guitarmaniax

I remember Roy Clark hosting the Tonight Show one time when Johnny
Carson was on vacation. Glen Campbell was the first guest and after a
little chat the walked over to the stage area, Roy put on his Byrdland,
and Glen stood behind him and they both played the Byrdland at the same
time, trading off rhythm and leads. That was the first time I was blown
away by Glen`s playing, but read later that he had a reputation in the
LA studio scene as a 'hot lead' player. He played with the wrecking crew
on lots of Phil Spector and Beach Boys sessions, among others, and
replaced Brian Wilson on the road playing bass with the Beach Boys when
Brian had his breakdown.

Also his first hit was not with Donovan`s &quot;Catch The Wind&quot; but rather
&quot;Universal Soldier&quot;, which I believe was actually written by Buffy St.
Marie. (Glen can still be a killer player when he hasn`t had too much to
drink)

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#27: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-14 01:53:08 by Richard Bornman

I am willing to bet cold cash that Benson &quot;cut&quot; Campbell. I actually
dont know of ANY guitarist alive or dead who could cut George. If
someone can come up with a recording/video of this legendary meeting, I
would LOVE to hear it.

I have heard GB with Robben ford, Cornell Dupree, McLaughlin, Coryell,
Ritenour, Elf, Klugh, Atkins, Farlow and GB cut them all easily.
If there is recorded evidence of Campbell cutting GB I would LOVE to
hear it, but I SERIOUSLY doubt it...

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#28: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-14 01:58:51 by jurupari

it's hard to compare him with
somebody who plays with the harmonic sophistication and the rhythmic
propulsion of a George Benson.

If you hear him when there aren't any tv cameras on him, you'll hear it
in Glen. He never played any jazz on tv that wasn't audience music that
I ever heard, anyway, but when he was young and not under contract, he
let fly. He's as good as the next guy and his chords were the same
everybody else uses on the stuff I heard - he had an exquisite chord
solo approach, and could blow harmonized bop lines in eighths in chords
in ballads - he could probably do more, but it wasn't his show

If you just heard Nat Cole on tv now and then, he might have seemed
like much less the musician he was. Glen really is a superchops
monster, not just another good player.

Clif

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#29: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-14 02:41:23 by Richard Bornman

Lest anyone call me a Benson &quot;fan&quot; who unquestioningly defends Benson,
if you google this group, you will see I have questioned GB' solo gtr
abilities...
On my lesson with Rodney Jones, Rodney told me a fascinating story. He
said that GB is an unknown solo jazz gtr genius. He said he has sat
many times on Gb's sofa while George plays what he could only describe
as &quot;Tatum on gtr&quot;. Rodney went on to say that GB's solo playing is
better than any jazz gtr player he has ever heard, including Breau,
Greene and all the other likely candidates. I asked him if he wasnt
maybe exaggerating al little bit and he EMPHATICALLY said no. His exact
words were this&quot;

If GB had to make a solo jazz gtr recording it would be the greateset
solo jazz gtr recording in history, and you can take that to the
bank!!&quot;

Interestingly Rodney agreed with many of my unpopular opinions which I
have floated on this group. I wont state which ones, in order not to
offend, but he actually exclaimed a few times that I was &quot;right on the
money&quot;...

Hey, wait a minute,what is that i hear, the menacing low rumble of the
approaching herd...

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#30: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-14 03:39:26 by pmfan57

Benson absolutely did NOT cut Campbell. Campbell was at least as fast
and clean as Dimeola but could play lots of different stuff. GB is
fast and clean but not as fast as that.
Seven out of ten guys in my guitar store would agree with me.

RB wrote:
&gt; I am willing to bet cold cash that Benson &quot;cut&quot; Campbell. I actually
&gt; dont know of ANY guitarist alive or dead who could cut George. If
&gt; someone can come up with a recording/video of this legendary meeting, I
&gt; would LOVE to hear it.
&gt;
&gt; I have heard GB with Robben ford, Cornell Dupree, McLaughlin, Coryell,
&gt; Ritenour, Elf, Klugh, Atkins, Farlow and GB cut them all easily.
&gt; If there is recorded evidence of Campbell cutting GB I would LOVE to
&gt; hear it, but I SERIOUSLY doubt it...

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#31: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-14 03:44:44 by bob r

in article <a href="mailto:1118706788.789062.253950&#64;g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com" target="_blank">1118706788.789062.253950&#64;g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com</a>, RB at
<a href="mailto:richardbornman&#64;ozemail.com.au" target="_blank">richardbornman&#64;ozemail.com.au</a> wrote on 6/13/05 7:53 PM:

&gt; I am willing to bet cold cash that Benson &quot;cut&quot; Campbell. I actually
&gt; dont know of ANY guitarist alive or dead who could cut George. If
&gt; someone can come up with a recording/video of this legendary meeting, I
&gt; would LOVE to hear it.
&gt;
&gt; I have heard GB with Robben ford, Cornell Dupree, McLaughlin, Coryell,
&gt; Ritenour, Elf, Klugh, Atkins, Farlow and GB cut them all easily.
&gt; If there is recorded evidence of Campbell cutting GB I would LOVE to
&gt; hear it, but I SERIOUSLY doubt it...
&gt;

Even if he did, could you make yourself say so? It would represent a
shake-up of the very core of your value system! :-)
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#32: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-14 03:47:18 by bob r

in article <a href="mailto:1118709683.207550.218060&#64;g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com" target="_blank">1118709683.207550.218060&#64;g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com</a>, RB at
<a href="mailto:richardbornman&#64;ozemail.com.au" target="_blank">richardbornman&#64;ozemail.com.au</a> wrote on 6/13/05 8:41 PM:

&gt; Hey, wait a minute,what is that i hear, the menacing low rumble of the
&gt; approaching herd...

No, it's just the voices again...
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#33: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-14 05:07:41 by pmfan57

I saw the video of the guitar show in Spain and Benson most certainly
did not cut McLaughlin, easily or other wise. If you mean you liked
his lines better, well I might even agree with you on that; but GB is
not as good a picker as JM, as much as you wish he was and can't keep
up with him, try as he did.

I doubt he would want to tangle with Holdsworth, Scotty Anderson, Frank
Gambale or Bireli on acoustic. He has the advantage on jazzbox Bireli
because he's the original. On acoustic (at least how he played when I
saw him last) GB would just watch and go &quot;wow&quot;. I have also heard
Bireli play like Yngvie when his acoustic broke a string and he had to
switch to a peavey solid body. Pretty awesome. Benson's technique
could not transfer to solidbody or to any other style (which is not to
diminish the fact that Benson is one of the greatest guitarists that
has ever lived. You are implying that he is indisputably the best
ever. For pure chops, that just isn't true). BTW, when and where did
he cut Robben Ford?

As to Cornell Dupree, well he shouldn't even be considered in this
company. How would Cornell handle Holdsworth??

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#34: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-14 05:09:50 by bob r

in article <a href="mailto:1118718461.146834.254060&#64;g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com" target="_blank">1118718461.146834.254060&#64;g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com</a>, pmfan57 at
<a href="mailto:jwragusa&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">jwragusa&#64;aol.com</a> wrote on 6/13/05 11:07 PM:

&gt; I saw the video of the guitar show in Spain and Benson most certainly
&gt; did not cut McLaughlin, easily or other wise. If you mean you liked
&gt; his lines better, well I might even agree with you on that; but GB is
&gt; not as good a picker as JM, as much as you wish he was and can't keep
&gt; up with him, try as he did.
&gt;
&gt; I doubt he would want to tangle with Holdsworth, Scotty Anderson, Frank
&gt; Gambale or Bireli on acoustic. He has the advantage on jazzbox Bireli
&gt; because he's the original. On acoustic (at least how he played when I
&gt; saw him last) GB would just watch and go &quot;wow&quot;. I have also heard
&gt; Bireli play like Yngvie when his acoustic broke a string and he had to
&gt; switch to a peavey solid body. Pretty awesome. Benson's technique
&gt; could not transfer to solidbody or to any other style (which is not to
&gt; diminish the fact that Benson is one of the greatest guitarists that
&gt; has ever lived. You are implying that he is indisputably the best
&gt; ever. For pure chops, that just isn't true). BTW, when and where did
&gt; he cut Robben Ford?
&gt;
&gt; As to Cornell Dupree, well he shouldn't even be considered in this
&gt; company. How would Cornell handle Holdsworth??
&gt;

How would Spiderman handle Superman? :-)
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#35: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-14 05:27:24 by mleggetNOHONKINSPAM

On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 03:09:50 GMT, bob r &lt;<a href="mailto:SomeoneHere&#64;whatever.com" target="_blank">SomeoneHere&#64;whatever.com</a>&gt;
wrote:

&gt;in article <a href="mailto:1118718461.146834.254060&#64;g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com" target="_blank">1118718461.146834.254060&#64;g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com</a>, pmfan57 at
&gt;<a href="mailto:jwragusa&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">jwragusa&#64;aol.com</a> wrote on 6/13/05 11:07 PM:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; I saw the video of the guitar show in Spain and Benson most certainly
&gt;&gt; did not cut McLaughlin, easily or other wise. If you mean you liked
&gt;&gt; his lines better, well I might even agree with you on that; but GB is
&gt;&gt; not as good a picker as JM, as much as you wish he was and can't keep
&gt;&gt; up with him, try as he did.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I doubt he would want to tangle with Holdsworth, Scotty Anderson, Frank
&gt;&gt; Gambale or Bireli on acoustic. He has the advantage on jazzbox Bireli
&gt;&gt; because he's the original. On acoustic (at least how he played when I
&gt;&gt; saw him last) GB would just watch and go &quot;wow&quot;. I have also heard
&gt;&gt; Bireli play like Yngvie when his acoustic broke a string and he had to
&gt;&gt; switch to a peavey solid body. Pretty awesome. Benson's technique
&gt;&gt; could not transfer to solidbody or to any other style (which is not to
&gt;&gt; diminish the fact that Benson is one of the greatest guitarists that
&gt;&gt; has ever lived. You are implying that he is indisputably the best
&gt;&gt; ever. For pure chops, that just isn't true). BTW, when and where did
&gt;&gt; he cut Robben Ford?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; As to Cornell Dupree, well he shouldn't even be considered in this
&gt;&gt; company. How would Cornell handle Holdsworth??
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt;How would Spiderman handle Superman? :-)
&gt;--
Me and 6 guys in my gym say Batman could whup them both,







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while we played guitar, they would have given us
rubber bands rather than vertebrae. And then where
would humanity be? Propelling cornflakes box
submarines in some alien bathtub in an ungodly
time dimension where the music of the spheres
consisted of Kenny G.&quot;
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#36: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-14 05:29:54 by Joe Finn

&quot;RB&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:richardbornman&#64;ozemail.com.au" target="_blank">richardbornman&#64;ozemail.com.au</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:<a href="mailto:1118709683.207550.218060&#64;g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com..." target="_blank">1118709683.207550.218060&#64;g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...</a>
&gt; Lest anyone call me a Benson &quot;fan&quot; who unquestioningly defends Benson,
&gt; if you google this group, you will see I have questioned GB' solo gtr
&gt; abilities...
&gt; On my lesson with Rodney Jones, Rodney told me a fascinating story. He
&gt; said that GB is an unknown solo jazz gtr genius. He said he has sat
&gt; many times on Gb's sofa while George plays what he could only describe
&gt; as &quot;Tatum on gtr&quot;. Rodney went on to say that GB's solo playing is
&gt; better than any jazz gtr player he has ever heard, including Breau,
&gt; Greene and all the other likely candidates. I asked him if he wasnt
&gt; maybe exaggerating al little bit and he EMPHATICALLY said no. His exact
&gt; words were this&quot;
&gt;
&gt; If GB had to make a solo jazz gtr recording it would be the greateset
&gt; solo jazz gtr recording in history, and you can take that to the
&gt; bank!!&quot;

Benson's solo rendition of Tenderly is the stuff of legend. I've heard him
play other solos to. I can't say I've ever heard anybody better.

Holy shit! I'm agreeing with Bornman? Well shut my mouth!! I'll be
dipped.



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#37: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-14 05:35:08 by pmfan57

Like Holdsworth, Superman could inhale galaxies. Like Cornell Dupree,
Spiderman could not.

Don't ever compare Spidey to the Man of Steel. One blast of super cold
breath from Superman and Spidey's Spiderwebs would gum up in their silk
sacs. Do you seriously think Spiderman's webs could hold Superman? Now
if they fought on a planet without a yellow sun? Well that's an
entirely different story.

bob r wrote:
&gt; in article <a href="mailto:1118718461.146834.254060&#64;g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com" target="_blank">1118718461.146834.254060&#64;g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com</a>, pmfan57 at
&gt; <a href="mailto:jwragusa&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">jwragusa&#64;aol.com</a> wrote on 6/13/05 11:07 PM:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; I saw the video of the guitar show in Spain and Benson most certainly
&gt; &gt; did not cut McLaughlin, easily or other wise. If you mean you liked
&gt; &gt; his lines better, well I might even agree with you on that; but GB is
&gt; &gt; not as good a picker as JM, as much as you wish he was and can't keep
&gt; &gt; up with him, try as he did.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; I doubt he would want to tangle with Holdsworth, Scotty Anderson, Frank
&gt; &gt; Gambale or Bireli on acoustic. He has the advantage on jazzbox Bireli
&gt; &gt; because he's the original. On acoustic (at least how he played when I
&gt; &gt; saw him last) GB would just watch and go &quot;wow&quot;. I have also heard
&gt; &gt; Bireli play like Yngvie when his acoustic broke a string and he had to
&gt; &gt; switch to a peavey solid body. Pretty awesome. Benson's technique
&gt; &gt; could not transfer to solidbody or to any other style (which is not to
&gt; &gt; diminish the fact that Benson is one of the greatest guitarists that
&gt; &gt; has ever lived. You are implying that he is indisputably the best
&gt; &gt; ever. For pure chops, that just isn't true). BTW, when and where did
&gt; &gt; he cut Robben Ford?
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; As to Cornell Dupree, well he shouldn't even be considered in this
&gt; &gt; company. How would Cornell handle Holdsworth??
&gt; &gt;
&gt;
&gt; How would Spiderman handle Superman? :-)
&gt; --
&gt; Bob Russell
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#38: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-14 05:46:06 by Joe Finn

&lt;<a href="mailto:jurupari&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">jurupari&#64;aol.com</a>&gt; wrote
&gt;
&gt; If you hear him when there aren't any tv cameras on him, you'll hear it
&gt; in Glen. He never played any jazz on tv that wasn't audience music that
&gt; I ever heard, anyway, but when he was young and not under contract, he
&gt; let fly. He's as good as the next guy and his chords were the same
&gt; everybody else uses on the stuff I heard - he had an exquisite chord
&gt; solo approach, and could blow harmonized bop lines in eighths in chords
&gt; in ballads - he could probably do more, but it wasn't his show


I'd have to hear it to believe it. Campbell does not come from the jazz
tradition and does not claim to be a jazz player to the best of my
knowledge. If he has a real commitment to jazz I'd be highly surprised
since he never recorded any or even played any festivals that I'm aware of.

The other dimension Benson brings to the table is that of innovation. He has
extended the range of the guitar's expression not just in technical terms
but stylistically too. He spawned an entire generation of clones. Many of
his imitators are still on the scene. He is one of the most closely copied
players I know of. Benson transcriptions, tabs and lessons are all over the
net. George's name regularly comes up in the same breath as Christian and
Montgomery.

This is really pretty silly. There is no real comparison here. .....joe

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#39: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-14 06:02:05 by bob r

in article <a href="mailto:1118720108.280777.166770&#64;f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com" target="_blank">1118720108.280777.166770&#64;f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com</a>, pmfan57 at
<a href="mailto:jwragusa&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">jwragusa&#64;aol.com</a> wrote on 6/13/05 11:35 PM:

&gt; Like Holdsworth, Superman could inhale galaxies. Like Cornell Dupree,
&gt; Spiderman could not.
&gt;
&gt; Don't ever compare Spidey to the Man of Steel. One blast of super cold
&gt; breath from Superman and Spidey's Spiderwebs would gum up in their silk
&gt; sacs. Do you seriously think Spiderman's webs could hold Superman? Now
&gt; if they fought on a planet without a yellow sun? Well that's an
&gt; entirely different story.

Okay, how about Batman and The Flash?
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#40: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-14 08:13:53 by Richard Bornman

:-)

I secretly pride myself on the fact that I could easily
say so. In fact have you read my opinion on GB's early recordings, and
on his
recent Absolute Live DVD?
I really do try to listen objectively...

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#41: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-14 14:10:02 by Tom Walls

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:1118719513.268fbc11062a939df6910b8ccd269854&#64;teranews" target="_blank">1118719513.268fbc11062a939df6910b8ccd269854&#64;teranews</a>&gt;,
<a href="mailto:Joe&#64;JoeFinn.net" target="_blank">Joe&#64;JoeFinn.net</a> says...
&gt; I'll be
&gt; dipped.
&gt;
&gt;
From your lips to god's ear.
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#42: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-14 14:12:24 by Tom Walls

In article &lt;BED359F0.3D6A1%<a href="mailto:SomeoneHere&#64;whatever.com" target="_blank">SomeoneHere&#64;whatever.com</a>&gt;,
<a href="mailto:SomeoneHere&#64;whatever.com" target="_blank">SomeoneHere&#64;whatever.com</a> says...
&gt; in article <a href="mailto:1118691092.314361.210820&#64;f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com" target="_blank">1118691092.314361.210820&#64;f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com</a>,
&gt; <a href="mailto:vmagnanijr&#64;netscape.net" target="_blank">vmagnanijr&#64;netscape.net</a> at <a href="mailto:vmagnanijr&#64;netscape.net" target="_blank">vmagnanijr&#64;netscape.net</a> wrote on 6/13/05 3:31 PM:
&gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; Yeah, I saw it. If memory serves, Glen got out an Ovation electric 12-string
&gt; &gt;&gt; at one point and was killin' on it.
&gt; &gt;&gt; --
&gt; &gt;&gt; Bob Russell
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; I saw it too. I would LOVE to see it again. Yeah, Glen smoked. I
&gt; &gt; kind of remember George looking over at him with a big, surprised
&gt; &gt; smile. I don't think it was an Ovation acoustic, though. I think it
&gt; &gt; was one of those kidney bean shaped Ovation electrics. Geez, I miss
&gt; &gt; the 70's.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Vic
&gt; &gt;
&gt;
&gt; Yeah, as noted in my previous post, it was an electric 12-string. A
&gt; &quot;Preacher&quot; or &quot;Breadwinner&quot; or something funky like that. And he definitely
&gt; got a double take from George B. It would be nice to see it again; at that
&gt; time, I thought Glen had &quot;cut&quot; Benson, but I'm presently skeptical of my
&gt; then-youthful impression.
&gt;
I once saw Lee Ritenour cut Benson, but, like you, I distrust my
perception.
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#43: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-14 14:12:41 by El Kabong

On 13 Jun 2005 23:13:53 -0700, &quot;RB&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:richardbornman&#64;ozemail.com.au" target="_blank">richardbornman&#64;ozemail.com.au</a>&gt;
wrote:

&gt;I really do try to listen objectively...


But then, you form your opinions based upon your own
subjective sense of aesthetics, about how you think
it &quot;should&quot; sound.

Personally I think Walter Payton was a better running back
than Emmitt Smith. I know, I was a Chicagoan and a
Bears fan. Chicago has a much older pro football tradition
than Dallas. Therefore, my opinion holds sway. So there!





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#44: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-14 14:26:06 by Tom Walls

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:22994-42ADFDBE-117&#64;storefull-3314.bay.webtv.net" target="_blank">22994-42ADFDBE-117&#64;storefull-3314.bay.webtv.net</a>&gt;,
<a href="mailto:guitarmaniax&#64;webtv.net" target="_blank">guitarmaniax&#64;webtv.net</a> says...
&gt;
&gt; Also his first hit was not with Donovan`s &quot;Catch The Wind&quot; but rather
&gt; &quot;Universal Soldier&quot;, which I believe was actually written by Buffy St.
&gt; Marie. (Glen can still be a killer player when he hasn`t had too much to
&gt; drink)
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
He did do &quot;Universal Soldier&quot;, but he also did &quot;Catch the Wind&quot; and
&quot;Colours&quot;. I verified my recollection by a trip to the All Music Guide.
At the time Donovan was big in the UK but hadn't broken in the States. I
see he also covered a whole bunch of Dylan as well. For what it's worth,
I think Glen is also really good singer. I would say that I like his
singing better than George Benson's, but George was tearing it up on
American Idol.
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#45: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-14 14:36:56 by Broom

McLaughlin??

He simply can not play jazz. Pick up his Coltrane tribute CD. Its
literally PAINFUL to listen to. Hes lost. I saw JM open for Benson
about 5 years ago in NY. John is a great guitar player as long as he is
in a context where his patterns can work. Take him out of that where he
has to actually make changes, and be creative melodically and
harmonically, and he sounds lost. Benson technique is so far above JMs.
He plays lines that are very difficult, and make total melodic and
harmonic sense. They are not a series of scaler runs in set sequences
practiced in patterns over and over and over.

Lagreene is a fantastic player as well. A total monster technically.
FAR above McLaughlin himself. However, his creativity, and feel are not
even in Bensons league. benson can play every bit as fast, and its
HARDER to play fast on an archtop than a flattop. Listen to how sloppy
Bireli gets when playing an archtop! Still, he is a MONSTER player, no
doubt. benson is simply one of the best ever however. Right there with
Wes and Django.

pmfan57 wrote:
&gt; I saw the video of the guitar show in Spain and Benson most certainly
&gt; did not cut McLaughlin, easily or other wise. If you mean you liked
&gt; his lines better, well I might even agree with you on that; but GB is
&gt; not as good a picker as JM, as much as you wish he was and can't keep
&gt; up with him, try as he did.
&gt;
&gt; I doubt he would want to tangle with Holdsworth, Scotty Anderson, Frank
&gt; Gambale or Bireli on acoustic. He has the advantage on jazzbox Bireli
&gt; because he's the original. On acoustic (at least how he played when I
&gt; saw him last) GB would just watch and go &quot;wow&quot;. I have also heard
&gt; Bireli play like Yngvie when his acoustic broke a string and he had to
&gt; switch to a peavey solid body. Pretty awesome. Benson's technique
&gt; could not transfer to solidbody or to any other style (which is not to
&gt; diminish the fact that Benson is one of the greatest guitarists that
&gt; has ever lived. You are implying that he is indisputably the best
&gt; ever. For pure chops, that just isn't true). BTW, when and where did
&gt; he cut Robben Ford?
&gt;
&gt; As to Cornell Dupree, well he shouldn't even be considered in this
&gt; company. How would Cornell handle Holdsworth??

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#46: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-14 15:24:06 by bob r

in article d8mhjd$7f4$<a href="mailto:2&#64;ruby.cit.cornell.edu" target="_blank">2&#64;ruby.cit.cornell.edu</a>, Tom Walls at <a href="mailto:tw25&#64;cornell.edu" target="_blank">tw25&#64;cornell.edu</a>
wrote on 6/14/05 8:12 AM:

&gt; I once saw Lee Ritenour cut Benson, but, like you, I distrust my
&gt; perception.

I would definitely distrust that one. :-)
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#47: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-14 15:38:03 by vmagnanijr

&gt; &gt; I saw it too. I would LOVE to see it again. Yeah, Glen smoked. I
&gt; &gt; kind of remember George looking over at him with a big, surprised
&gt; &gt; smile. I don't think it was an Ovation acoustic, though. I think it
&gt; &gt; was one of those kidney bean shaped Ovation electrics. Geez, I miss
&gt; &gt; the 70's.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Vic
&gt; &gt;
&gt;
&gt; Yeah, as noted in my previous post, it was an electric 12-string. A
&gt; &quot;Preacher&quot; or &quot;Breadwinner&quot; or something funky like that. And he definitely
&gt; got a double take from George B. It would be nice to see it again; at that
&gt; time, I thought Glen had &quot;cut&quot; Benson, but I'm presently skeptical of my
&gt; then-youthful impression.
&gt; --
&gt; Bob Russell
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My apologies Bob - I saw &quot;Ovation&quot; and &quot;12-string&quot; and my eyes glaze
over to round back acoustic guitars that slide off your lap when you
try to play them sitting down.

Vic

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#48: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-14 15:40:17 by bob r

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&gt; My apologies Bob - I saw &quot;Ovation&quot; and &quot;12-string&quot; and my eyes glaze
&gt; over to round back acoustic guitars that slide off your lap when you
&gt; try to play them sitting down.

I know what you mean. Those things used to drive me crazy! And they had that
little abrasive pad designed to tear up your pants leg...
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#49: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-14 16:02:22 by pmfan57

To play with the high action on an acoustic, like the gypsy's set their
guitars, is harder. The reason Bireli is more sloppy on archtop is
not because it's harder to play archtop; it's because his technique
was developed on an acoustic. Benson's technique also is not
particularly translatable to acoustic (are there any recordings of him
on acoustic?). I would be willing to bet that Benson cannot play
anywhere near as fast as Bireli on an acoustic; whereas Bireli is at
least 90% as good as Benson on jazzbox. Bireli is the best plectrum
guitarist ever to play the instrument, technique wise.

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#50: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-14 16:54:12 by Al

&gt; This is really pretty silly. There is no real comparison here.
......joe

Did any of you guys know Larry Wooldridge, a Baltimore-based player/teacher?
I studied with him back in the late 70s, and I think JAZ did too. He was a
great teacher, but he was way down on Benson, who was my favorite guy at the
time. Said he was just a glorified blues player. I never agreed with him,
and I always thought it was the most peculiar opinion.

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#51: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-14 18:02:37 by El Kabong

On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 10:54:12 -0400, &quot;Al&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:dataview&#64;comcast.net" target="_blank">dataview&#64;comcast.net</a>&gt; wrote:

but he was way down on Benson, who was my favorite guy at the
&gt;time. Said he was just a glorified blues player. I never agreed with him,
&gt;and I always thought it was the most peculiar opinion.
&gt;
&gt;

I've heard that one a few times too. I think guys like that
suffer from &quot;Genius Envy&quot;, and try to find some way to
reduce the object of their envy down to their own level,
at least in their own minds. It makes them feel less inadequate.


Sir Arthur Conan Doyle said it best, writing about such men:

&quot;He was tormented by having a vision of genius,
but possessing only a mediocre talent with which to express it.&quot;
+

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you want and let the public pick up on what you're doing even if it does take
them fifteen, twenty years.&quot; - Thelonious Monk

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#52: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-14 18:14:48 by pmfan57

Most peculiar indeed. Benson is one of the giants of jazz guitar. This
thread from my point of view is ONLY about how particularly strong his
picking technique is compared to other monster pickers. But GB has
among the very best, if not the best, combination of picking chops and
lines of anybody ever.

Al wrote:
&gt; &gt; This is really pretty silly. There is no real comparison here.
&gt; .....joe
&gt;
&gt; Did any of you guys know Larry Wooldridge, a Baltimore-based player/teacher?
&gt; I studied with him back in the late 70s, and I think JAZ did too. He was a
&gt; great teacher, but he was way down on Benson, who was my favorite guy at the
&gt; time. Said he was just a glorified blues player. I never agreed with him,
&gt; and I always thought it was the most peculiar opinion.

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#53: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-14 18:22:26 by d.onstenk

&gt; But GB has among the very best, if not the best, combination of picking
chops and
&gt; lines of anybody ever.

Yeah, if only he'd produce some actual music I really like I might give him
a listen some time. Personally I am not interested in hearing great players
over corny music. I cannot separate the guitarist from the music. That's
like saying an ugly painting is very good because it was painted by a great
painter. Makes no sense to me.

Even his few true jazz albums are not to my particular liking. There's
always some corny tune on all of 'm so it seems. Or he starts singing and
the damage is done.

But this is the 1000th time I am saying this here. The bottom line is that I
don't share the common Benson worship. Gimme Doug Raney ant time, any place.

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#54: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-14 18:48:32 by Broom

Thats strange that these giants cant play the other style of
instrument as well! I am an average player with pretty good technique,
and can play acoustic or electric just as easily. The gypsy style jazz
guitars are EXTREMELY easy to play fast on! Take a ride to Mandolin
Brothers and try a few out. They usually have several of which to
choose from. Speed really has zero meaning anyway. Its WHAT you are
playing fast that counts. This is where NO ONE surpasses Benson. The
lines he plays at speed are fantastic, musical and melodic phrases.
Listen for yourself. Slow them down and transcibe them.

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#55: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-14 18:50:48 by pmfan57

I love Raney at ant time, or at any other insect time.

Benson has a three LP live semi-bootleg set on which he plays pretty
much only standards. It's been bootlegged onto different versions on
CD. It has Mickey Tucker and George Duvivier. Benson plays amazing
jazz on that. If he were some unknown guy who made those three LPs and
then died, he'd be legendary based on that playing alone.

But thank goodness he didn't die. He also plays jazz on Jimmy Smith's
Off the Top. Amazing again.

I wish he'd play more jazz though.

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#56: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-14 18:56:58 by pmfan57

I agree about the importance of speed. I prefer Jim Hall or Charlie
Christian over almost anybody. But the issue here is that you are
saying that Benson plays WAY FASTER than McLaughlin and that is just
not true. If you want to study lines, there are others as great as
Benson, but probably none much greater. He is not above Bean, Pass,
Farlow, Raney or Montgomery in terms of what he plays, but I think he
is in the same league.

Are there any recordings of Benson even on acoustic archtop? RB would
know.

Broom wrote:
&gt; Thats strange that these giants cant play the other style of
&gt; instrument as well! I am an average player with pretty good technique,
&gt; and can play acoustic or electric just as easily. The gypsy style jazz
&gt; guitars are EXTREMELY easy to play fast on! Take a ride to Mandolin
&gt; Brothers and try a few out. They usually have several of which to
&gt; choose from. Speed really has zero meaning anyway. Its WHAT you are
&gt; playing fast that counts. This is where NO ONE surpasses Benson. The
&gt; lines he plays at speed are fantastic, musical and melodic phrases.
&gt; Listen for yourself. Slow them down and transcibe them.

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#57: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-14 19:53:38 by d.onstenk

So what is the best genuine jazz album? And I mean with NO singing and NO
60s funky stuff on it because I don't like that either.

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&gt;I love Raney at ant time, or at any other insect time.
&gt;
&gt; Benson has a three LP live semi-bootleg set on which he plays pretty
&gt; much only standards. It's been bootlegged onto different versions on
&gt; CD. It has Mickey Tucker and George Duvivier. Benson plays amazing
&gt; jazz on that. If he were some unknown guy who made those three LPs and
&gt; then died, he'd be legendary based on that playing alone.
&gt;
&gt; But thank goodness he didn't die. He also plays jazz on Jimmy Smith's
&gt; Off the Top. Amazing again.
&gt;
&gt; I wish he'd play more jazz though.
&gt;

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#58: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-14 20:09:48 by pmfan57

The live stuff with Micky Tucker is all straight ahead. Of the three
LP's there might be one song he sings on, but he plays Another You, Lil
Darlin, Blue Bossa, All the Things You Are, Love for Sale and more.
All with amazing fast bebop soloing by GB. NO funky stuff.

Look through the GB section for maybe a two cd set that has these LP's
as a reissue. Unfortunately, there are edited versions on CD that cut
out some solos, including Benson's in some cases!


Five Sharp wrote:
&gt; So what is the best genuine jazz album? And I mean with NO singing and NO
&gt; 60s funky stuff on it because I don't like that either.
&gt;
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&gt;
&gt;
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&gt; &gt;I love Raney at ant time, or at any other insect time.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Benson has a three LP live semi-bootleg set on which he plays pretty
&gt; &gt; much only standards. It's been bootlegged onto different versions on
&gt; &gt; CD. It has Mickey Tucker and George Duvivier. Benson plays amazing
&gt; &gt; jazz on that. If he were some unknown guy who made those three LPs and
&gt; &gt; then died, he'd be legendary based on that playing alone.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; But thank goodness he didn't die. He also plays jazz on Jimmy Smith's
&gt; &gt; Off the Top. Amazing again.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; I wish he'd play more jazz though.
&gt; &gt;

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#59: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-14 21:35:06 by Broom

Ill take Breezin over Mclauglins Coltrane tribute any day.

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Posted on 2005-06-14 21:38:18 by Broom

If you are just measuring notes per second, there are probably
THOUSANDS of players who are very close to each other. Who cares.
Again, its WHAT you are playing fast, and Benson plays lines at
breakneck speed that JM could only dream about. Not those linear, three
notes to a string patterns. Its an comletely different world, which I
am sure you know..

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#61: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-14 21:52:38 by kevination

So, &quot;genuine jazz&quot; and &quot;singing&quot; are mutually exclusive categories?
When'd this happen?

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Posted on 2005-06-14 22:08:35 by pmfan57

I think he means Benson singing. I imagine Dick likes some singing,
like Ella or Sinatra. How about it five sharp?

But if a Benson album has singing, it figures not to be a jazz album.



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&gt; So, &quot;genuine jazz&quot; and &quot;singing&quot; are mutually exclusive categories?
&gt; When'd this happen?

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Posted on 2005-06-14 22:20:16 by d.onstenk

I am simply not a fan of Benson singing. Yeah I like Sinatra, Ella, Sarah,
Dianne etc. Can I please like not something? I can't help it you know, it
just happens to me.

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&gt;I think he means Benson singing. I imagine Dick likes some singing,
&gt; like Ella or Sinatra. How about it five sharp?
&gt;
&gt; But if a Benson album has singing, it figures not to be a jazz album.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; <a href="mailto:kevination&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">kevination&#64;gmail.com</a> wrote:
&gt;&gt; So, &quot;genuine jazz&quot; and &quot;singing&quot; are mutually exclusive categories?
&gt;&gt; When'd this happen?
&gt;

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Posted on 2005-06-14 22:22:25 by kevination

pmfan57:

Sounds fair, as far as his post-(I guess)1975 output, but his &quot;A Foggy
Day&quot; (&quot;It's Uptown
with George Benson&quot;), &quot;This Maquerade is Over&quot; (one of those standardsy
live discs),
and especially &quot;Summertime&quot; (live at Carnegie Hall) are damn
impressive, from both
instrumental and vocal standpoints, and from an overall jazz
standpoint, IMO.

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Posted on 2005-06-14 22:22:42 by d.onstenk

Sorry, I replied to the wrong post.

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&gt;I am simply not a fan of Benson singing. Yeah I like Sinatra, Ella, Sarah,
&gt;Dianne etc. Can I please like not something? I can't help it you know, it
&gt;just happens to me.
&gt;
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&gt;&gt;I think he means Benson singing. I imagine Dick likes some singing,
&gt;&gt; like Ella or Sinatra. How about it five sharp?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; But if a Benson album has singing, it figures not to be a jazz album.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; <a href="mailto:kevination&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">kevination&#64;gmail.com</a> wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt; So, &quot;genuine jazz&quot; and &quot;singing&quot; are mutually exclusive categories?
&gt;&gt;&gt; When'd this happen?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt;

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Posted on 2005-06-14 22:42:57 by pmfan57

No you cannot. I understand that reliable sources have informed
Richard that Benson at home can sing, by himself, all of the Bach two
part inventions (no overdubs). He keeps it secret, though.

He can also sing all operatic parts, tenor and baritone (sorry, no
bass), better, WAY better, than any operatic singer that EVER LIVED. I
mean way, way better, not just a little better, according to Richard's
source. So don't mess with Benson's singing. And you must like it.

As to shuffleboard? Whew, don't get Richard started.

Five Sharp wrote:
&gt; I am simply not a fan of Benson singing. Yeah I like Sinatra, Ella, Sarah,
&gt; Dianne etc. Can I please like not something? I can't help it you know, it
&gt; just happens to me.
&gt;
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&gt; &gt;I think he means Benson singing. I imagine Dick likes some singing,
&gt; &gt; like Ella or Sinatra. How about it five sharp?
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; But if a Benson album has singing, it figures not to be a jazz album.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; <a href="mailto:kevination&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">kevination&#64;gmail.com</a> wrote:
&gt; &gt;&gt; So, &quot;genuine jazz&quot; and &quot;singing&quot; are mutually exclusive categories?
&gt; &gt;&gt; When'd this happen?
&gt; &gt;

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Posted on 2005-06-14 22:48:51 by d.onstenk

OK OK you win. Benson's the greatest!

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&gt; No you cannot. I understand that reliable sources have informed
&gt; Richard that Benson at home can sing, by himself, all of the Bach two
&gt; part inventions (no overdubs). He keeps it secret, though.
&gt;
&gt; He can also sing all operatic parts, tenor and baritone (sorry, no
&gt; bass), better, WAY better, than any operatic singer that EVER LIVED. I
&gt; mean way, way better, not just a little better, according to Richard's
&gt; source. So don't mess with Benson's singing. And you must like it.
&gt;
&gt; As to shuffleboard? Whew, don't get Richard started.
&gt;
&gt; Five Sharp wrote:
&gt;&gt; I am simply not a fan of Benson singing. Yeah I like Sinatra, Ella,
&gt;&gt; Sarah,
&gt;&gt; Dianne etc. Can I please like not something? I can't help it you know, it
&gt;&gt; just happens to me.
&gt;&gt;
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&gt;&gt; &gt;I think he means Benson singing. I imagine Dick likes some singing,
&gt;&gt; &gt; like Ella or Sinatra. How about it five sharp?
&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt; But if a Benson album has singing, it figures not to be a jazz album.
&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt; <a href="mailto:kevination&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">kevination&#64;gmail.com</a> wrote:
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; So, &quot;genuine jazz&quot; and &quot;singing&quot; are mutually exclusive categories?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; When'd this happen?
&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;

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Posted on 2005-06-14 22:55:54 by bob r

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&gt; OK OK you win. Benson's the greatest!

He can't be the greatest - he's not obscure enough.
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#69: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-14 23:02:25 by kevination

No, you can't not like something. Not unless I say so.

Seriously, though - I guess I misread your wording as separating
&quot;genuine jazz&quot; and
jazz with vocals as being discrete categories. No biggie.

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#70: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-14 23:34:51 by Richard Bornman

Sheer motes per second means relatively little in jazz terms.

Example: Shawn Lane

I agree Broom....

Shawn could play faster than just about any guitarist
ever.and yet has anyone here heard his version of Bird's
Relaxin'. His time in a jazz context sounds completely wrong
and stiff...sheer nps doesnt mean much in a jazz context.
Similalry Grant Green had a definite &quot;speed limit&quot;
yet he swang hard...
Now dont get me wrong, i LOVE Lane and Campbell,
but Benson is a special class of musician, there are
VERY few of his caliber that come around in history.
BTW I have heard GB playing a nylon Godin and he
sounded EXACTLY as good as he normally does on
the archtop....

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#71: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-15 01:35:52 by Broom

Not that I know of. I know he could play country real well. Saw him
many times on those older TV shows. Roy Clark could kill as well in
that style.

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#72: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-15 01:50:05 by jeff29_b

Any relation to Bobby Broom? I like what I have heard from him.

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Posted on 2005-06-15 02:51:58 by acmost

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&gt; McLaughlin??
&gt;
&gt; He simply can not play jazz. Pick up his Coltrane tribute CD. Its
&gt; literally PAINFUL to listen to. Hes lost. I saw JM open for Benson
&gt; about 5 years ago in NY. John is a great guitar player as long as he is
&gt; in a context where his patterns can work. Take him out of that where he
&gt; has to actually make changes, and be creative melodically and
&gt; harmonically, and he sounds lost. Benson technique is so far above JMs.
&gt; He plays lines that are very difficult, and make total melodic and
&gt; harmonic sense. They are not a series of scaler runs in set sequences
&gt; practiced in patterns over and over and over.
&gt;
&gt; Lagreene is a fantastic player as well. A total monster technically.
&gt; FAR above McLaughlin himself. However, his creativity, and feel are not
&gt; even in Bensons league. benson can play every bit as fast, and its
&gt; HARDER to play fast on an archtop than a flattop. Listen to how sloppy
&gt; Bireli gets when playing an archtop! Still, he is a MONSTER player, no
&gt; doubt. benson is simply one of the best ever however. Right there with
&gt; Wes and Django.
&gt;
&gt; pmfan57 wrote:
&gt; &gt; I saw the video of the guitar show in Spain and Benson most certainly
&gt; &gt; did not cut McLaughlin, easily or other wise. If you mean you liked
&gt; &gt; his lines better, well I might even agree with you on that; but GB is
&gt; &gt; not as good a picker as JM, as much as you wish he was and can't keep
&gt; &gt; up with him, try as he did.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; I doubt he would want to tangle with Holdsworth, Scotty Anderson, Frank
&gt; &gt; Gambale or Bireli on acoustic. He has the advantage on jazzbox Bireli
&gt; &gt; because he's the original. On acoustic (at least how he played when I
&gt; &gt; saw him last) GB would just watch and go &quot;wow&quot;. I have also heard
&gt; &gt; Bireli play like Yngvie when his acoustic broke a string and he had to
&gt; &gt; switch to a peavey solid body. Pretty awesome. Benson's technique
&gt; &gt; could not transfer to solidbody or to any other style (which is not to
&gt; &gt; diminish the fact that Benson is one of the greatest guitarists that
&gt; &gt; has ever lived. You are implying that he is indisputably the best
&gt; &gt; ever. For pure chops, that just isn't true). BTW, when and where did
&gt; &gt; he cut Robben Ford?
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; As to Cornell Dupree, well he shouldn't even be considered in this
&gt; &gt; company. How would Cornell handle Holdsworth??
&gt;


Still, I prefer &quot;Birds Of Fire&quot; to &quot;Breezin'&quot;

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#74: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-15 03:08:06 by Broom

No. I have been listening to a lot of him lately, and thus the name.
Nice pickup on that! Killer player. Highly recommended!

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#75: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-15 09:11:41 by acmost

Wonderwoman has better breastesses.

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#76: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-15 15:02:46 by Gantt Kushner

&quot;Cutting&quot; someone ios a pretty subjective thing. I've heard Glen
Campbell play some pretty hellacious stuff. You have to bear in
mind (well, you don't HAVE to, but it helps if you do...) that Glen
probably came up in an environment (the country/western scene)
where fast and clean are the be-all-end-all in a jam session. I'd bet
that when Glen was in his prime he could hang w/ most anybody.

On the other hand, I don't think Glen ever had a style that was as
uniquely his own as Benson.

Gantt

RB wrote:

&gt; I am willing to bet cold cash that Benson &quot;cut&quot; Campbell. I actually
&gt; dont know of ANY guitarist alive or dead who could cut George. If
&gt; someone can come up with a recording/video of this legendary meeting, I
&gt; would LOVE to hear it.
&gt;
&gt; I have heard GB with Robben ford, Cornell Dupree, McLaughlin, Coryell,
&gt; Ritenour, Elf, Klugh, Atkins, Farlow and GB cut them all easily.
&gt; If there is recorded evidence of Campbell cutting GB I would LOVE to
&gt; hear it, but I SERIOUSLY doubt it...

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#77: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-15 19:53:43 by jurupari

It's been bootlegged onto different versions on
CD. It has Mickey Tucker and George Duvivier. Benson plays amazing
jazz on that.

I had one of those on cassette. The thing I listened to over and over
was Mickey Tucker's intro on Invitation, but Benson didn't play on that
tune. The cassette that I had only had Benson on a med up ATTYA and a
blues. It was ok, but no stop the presses moments on that one. I
really dug Mickey Tucker's playing, though - whew!

I was thinking about what Richard said re GB's ability to chord solo -
I think I heard him doing some on Danny Boy on cable, and I remember
some stuff on Tenderly too, but the only recording I recall was one he
did of Easy Livin when he was nineteen. It was incredibly good
harmony, but sounded arranged and a lot like the stuff Howard Roberts
was doing solo around the same time.

Really, you get somebody that good it shouldn't come as much a surprise
that they can do anything - I remember Chick once on Dinah Shore
picking up Diz' horn and blowing one of his patented licks. Pat
LaBarbara told me years ago that when he wasn't on the road with Buddy
Rich, he had a quartet in NY with Chick on drums.

If GB picked up an acoustic and struck up Fox On The Run, it wouldn't
surprise me much.

Same with Glen - this was over 40 years ago, but like everyone in
country with chops, he'd paid a lotta Hank Garland dues, just like GB,
incidentally.

Glen had that James Burton Jerry Reed Roy Buchanan thing happening,
too. I was there, so I know, I guess John Wheliss probably caught him
live somewhere too. If I never heard Glen, I'd heed Wheliss'
endorsement - it would take a shitwad to impress him.

Clif

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#78: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-15 20:11:48 by pmfan57

Glen Campbell was a monster guitar player. The live Benson stuff is
complete on the three LP's. Benson solos, very well, on almost every
cut on the LP's. The tracks have been edited on some CD reissues.

<a href="mailto:jurupari&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">jurupari&#64;aol.com</a> wrote:
&gt; It's been bootlegged onto different versions on
&gt; CD. It has Mickey Tucker and George Duvivier. Benson plays amazing
&gt; jazz on that.
&gt;
&gt; I had one of those on cassette. The thing I listened to over and over
&gt; was Mickey Tucker's intro on Invitation, but Benson didn't play on that
&gt; tune. The cassette that I had only had Benson on a med up ATTYA and a
&gt; blues. It was ok, but no stop the presses moments on that one. I
&gt; really dug Mickey Tucker's playing, though - whew!
&gt;
&gt; I was thinking about what Richard said re GB's ability to chord solo -
&gt; I think I heard him doing some on Danny Boy on cable, and I remember
&gt; some stuff on Tenderly too, but the only recording I recall was one he
&gt; did of Easy Livin when he was nineteen. It was incredibly good
&gt; harmony, but sounded arranged and a lot like the stuff Howard Roberts
&gt; was doing solo around the same time.
&gt;
&gt; Really, you get somebody that good it shouldn't come as much a surprise
&gt; that they can do anything - I remember Chick once on Dinah Shore
&gt; picking up Diz' horn and blowing one of his patented licks. Pat
&gt; LaBarbara told me years ago that when he wasn't on the road with Buddy
&gt; Rich, he had a quartet in NY with Chick on drums.
&gt;
&gt; If GB picked up an acoustic and struck up Fox On The Run, it wouldn't
&gt; surprise me much.
&gt;
&gt; Same with Glen - this was over 40 years ago, but like everyone in
&gt; country with chops, he'd paid a lotta Hank Garland dues, just like GB,
&gt; incidentally.
&gt;
&gt; Glen had that James Burton Jerry Reed Roy Buchanan thing happening,
&gt; too. I was there, so I know, I guess John Wheliss probably caught him
&gt; live somewhere too. If I never heard Glen, I'd heed Wheliss'
&gt; endorsement - it would take a shitwad to impress him.
&gt;
&gt; Clif

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#79: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-16 00:42:11 by jurupari

Personally I think Walter Payton was a better running back
than Emmitt Smith

I'll see your Payton and Smith and raise you Mike Shanahan and
apparently anybody who can hold a football and isn't in a wheelchair...
anyways until their first bucket handle acl tear..

I'd go with the sentiment though. It's a judgement call. Benson's an
excellent guitarist and musician, but for my taste there are others who
move me more, mostly these young modern cats - the best players always
seem to be in the 20-35 range.

saw the video of the guitar show in Spain and Benson most certainly
did not cut McLaughlin, easily or other wise

I heard Benson doing Spain with Chick on the grammies in maybe '76,
around the time he put out Breezin'. He played a good bluesy bop solo
like he always does, but I liked what Chick was doing a hell of a lot
better. Benson's solo didn't exactly fit the samba fusion environment,
but that's a subjective thing - others may have liked it for that same
reason.

When I was coming up, the good guitarists and other musicians I knew
were really down on people who put too much blues into jazz solos -
these guys listened to Trane, Henderson, Hill, Dolphy, Taylor and the
like and didn't have much interest in George's lines, or any guitar
player much.

It would be great if GB would put out a small group and solo album so
we could all hear this stuff he does like Tatum. I'd be really
interested in hearing that, but then we'd have nothing to talk about.

Clif

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#80: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-16 03:20:13 by pmfan57

Johnny Mac fits in with what Chick does much better than Benson.
Benson swings hard but that makes his thing not always compatible with
other styles. Certainly Joe Pass wouldn't really fit in with Chick,
although they could probably find something to agree on. As for Johnny
Mac's jazz chops, his solo on My Romance on Thieves and Poets is like
sheets of sound Coltrane. Few guitarist play at that level. You might
not like it; bad taste is not a crime.

Here's what Pat Metheny has to say about John McLaughlin:

&quot;to me, john is one of the most significant figures in the modern
history of the guitar. it is usually enough for someone to affect the
evolution of their instrument once in their career - john has done it
at least three times. first, with the amazing and refreshing conceptual
leap that was the record &quot;my goals beyond&quot; where he in one record
indicated a way of playing that spawned an entire subgroup of records
by guitar players. the second, and probably most important,was the
mahavishnu orchestra - along with weather report, the next giant leap
in the evolution of jazz ensemble playing since the breakthroughs of
ornette coleman's quartet, the john coltrane quartet, and the miles
davis quintet of roughly a decade before. and then, shakti, where he
became the first western musician to succesfully function in an
environment that had attracted but eluded western improvising musicians
for decades. he is a giant - one of my favorite musicians and composers
ever.&quot;

<a href="mailto:jurupari&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">jurupari&#64;aol.com</a> wrote:
&gt; Personally I think Walter Payton was a better running back
&gt; than Emmitt Smith
&gt;
&gt; I'll see your Payton and Smith and raise you Mike Shanahan and
&gt; apparently anybody who can hold a football and isn't in a wheelchair...
&gt; anyways until their first bucket handle acl tear..
&gt;
&gt; I'd go with the sentiment though. It's a judgement call. Benson's an
&gt; excellent guitarist and musician, but for my taste there are others who
&gt; move me more, mostly these young modern cats - the best players always
&gt; seem to be in the 20-35 range.
&gt;
&gt; saw the video of the guitar show in Spain and Benson most certainly
&gt; did not cut McLaughlin, easily or other wise
&gt;
&gt; I heard Benson doing Spain with Chick on the grammies in maybe '76,
&gt; around the time he put out Breezin'. He played a good bluesy bop solo
&gt; like he always does, but I liked what Chick was doing a hell of a lot
&gt; better. Benson's solo didn't exactly fit the samba fusion environment,
&gt; but that's a subjective thing - others may have liked it for that same
&gt; reason.
&gt;
&gt; When I was coming up, the good guitarists and other musicians I knew
&gt; were really down on people who put too much blues into jazz solos -
&gt; these guys listened to Trane, Henderson, Hill, Dolphy, Taylor and the
&gt; like and didn't have much interest in George's lines, or any guitar
&gt; player much.
&gt;
&gt; It would be great if GB would put out a small group and solo album so
&gt; we could all hear this stuff he does like Tatum. I'd be really
&gt; interested in hearing that, but then we'd have nothing to talk about.
&gt;
&gt; Clif

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#81: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-16 09:14:05 by acmost

&quot;pmfan57&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:jwragusa&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">jwragusa&#64;aol.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; Johnny Mac fits in with what Chick does much better than Benson.
&gt; Benson swings hard but that makes his thing not always compatible with
&gt; other styles. Certainly Joe Pass wouldn't really fit in with Chick,
&gt; although they could probably find something to agree on. As for Johnny
&gt; Mac's jazz chops, his solo on My Romance on Thieves and Poets is like
&gt; sheets of sound Coltrane. Few guitarist play at that level. You might
&gt; not like it; bad taste is not a crime.
&gt;
&gt; Here's what Pat Metheny has to say about John McLaughlin:
&gt;
&gt; &quot;to me, john is one of the most significant figures in the modern
&gt; history of the guitar. it is usually enough for someone to affect the
&gt; evolution of their instrument once in their career - john has done it
&gt; at least three times. first, with the amazing and refreshing conceptual
&gt; leap that was the record &quot;my goals beyond&quot; where he in one record
&gt; indicated a way of playing that spawned an entire subgroup of records
&gt; by guitar players. the second, and probably most important,was the
&gt; mahavishnu orchestra - along with weather report, the next giant leap
&gt; in the evolution of jazz ensemble playing since the breakthroughs of
&gt; ornette coleman's quartet, the john coltrane quartet, and the miles
&gt; davis quintet of roughly a decade before. and then, shakti, where he
&gt; became the first western musician to succesfully function in an
&gt; environment that had attracted but eluded western improvising musicians
&gt; for decades. he is a giant - one of my favorite musicians and composers
&gt; ever.&quot;
&gt;


I knew I liked that guy!
&gt; <a href="mailto:jurupari&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">jurupari&#64;aol.com</a> wrote:
&gt; &gt; Personally I think Walter Payton was a better running back
&gt; &gt; than Emmitt Smith
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; I'll see your Payton and Smith and raise you Mike Shanahan and
&gt; &gt; apparently anybody who can hold a football and isn't in a wheelchair...
&gt; &gt; anyways until their first bucket handle acl tear..
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; I'd go with the sentiment though. It's a judgement call. Benson's an
&gt; &gt; excellent guitarist and musician, but for my taste there are others who
&gt; &gt; move me more, mostly these young modern cats - the best players always
&gt; &gt; seem to be in the 20-35 range.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; saw the video of the guitar show in Spain and Benson most certainly
&gt; &gt; did not cut McLaughlin, easily or other wise
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; I heard Benson doing Spain with Chick on the grammies in maybe '76,
&gt; &gt; around the time he put out Breezin'. He played a good bluesy bop solo
&gt; &gt; like he always does, but I liked what Chick was doing a hell of a lot
&gt; &gt; better. Benson's solo didn't exactly fit the samba fusion environment,
&gt; &gt; but that's a subjective thing - others may have liked it for that same
&gt; &gt; reason.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; When I was coming up, the good guitarists and other musicians I knew
&gt; &gt; were really down on people who put too much blues into jazz solos -
&gt; &gt; these guys listened to Trane, Henderson, Hill, Dolphy, Taylor and the
&gt; &gt; like and didn't have much interest in George's lines, or any guitar
&gt; &gt; player much.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; It would be great if GB would put out a small group and solo album so
&gt; &gt; we could all hear this stuff he does like Tatum. I'd be really
&gt; &gt; interested in hearing that, but then we'd have nothing to talk about.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Clif
&gt;

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Posted on 2005-06-16 13:15:19 by El Kabong

&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Here's what Pat Metheny has to say about John McLaughlin:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &quot;to me, john is one of the most significant figures in the modern
&gt;&gt; history of the guitar.....probably most important,was the
&gt;mahavishnu orchestra - along with weather report, .....
&gt; he is a giant - one of my favorite musicians and composers ever.&quot;

Amen!!! I have always thought that about McLaughlin, ever
since I heard Bitches Brew, then hearing him live in 1971.
McLaughlin and Weather Report were my 2 favorites
back then, nothing since then has really done it for me like
that.

Watch, now people will start trashing Metheny for uttering
such blasphemy! He might even lose some fans!


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#83: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-16 17:50:52 by mleggetNOHONKINSPAM

On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 07:15:19 -0400, Johnny Asia &lt;poki_pongo at
yahoo.com&gt; wrote:

&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Here's what Pat Metheny has to say about John McLaughlin:
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; &quot;to me, john is one of the most significant figures in the modern
&gt;&gt;&gt; history of the guitar.....probably most important,was the
&gt;&gt;mahavishnu orchestra - along with weather report, .....
&gt;&gt; he is a giant - one of my favorite musicians and composers ever.&quot;
&gt;
&gt;Amen!!! I have always thought that about McLaughlin, ever
&gt;since I heard Bitches Brew, then hearing him live in 1971.
&gt; McLaughlin and Weather Report were my 2 favorites
&gt;back then, nothing since then has really done it for me like
&gt;that.
&gt;
&gt;Watch, now people will start trashing Metheny for uttering
&gt;such blasphemy! He might even lose some fans!

Well, Metheney's into music, not jazz per se. In an interview in JJG
he was kind of dismissive about &quot;je-azz&quot; as he called it. He's taken a
lot of jazz vocabulary and moved on with it, and he looks at music as
music, not some stylistic subset. People who know _The One Truth_
about jazz don't appreciate this. Sod 'em.




------------------------------------------------------------ --
&quot;If the gods wanted us to twist our spines about
while we played guitar, they would have given us
rubber bands rather than vertebrae. And then where
would humanity be? Propelling cornflakes box
submarines in some alien bathtub in an ungodly
time dimension where the music of the spheres
consisted of Kenny G.&quot;
Spinoza
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#84: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-16 19:34:33 by pmfan57

Yeah, Jarrett has taken some heat for directly taking on Marsal*s. But
Jarrett is a titan and is willing to put up with that criticism. (I
know; I wish he would stop making those noises too).

Metheny agrees with that stuff too, but is somewhat more diplomatic
about it.


Max Leggett wrote:
&gt; On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 07:15:19 -0400, Johnny Asia &lt;poki_pongo at
&gt; yahoo.com&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Here's what Pat Metheny has to say about John McLaughlin:
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; &quot;to me, john is one of the most significant figures in the modern
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; history of the guitar.....probably most important,was the
&gt; &gt;&gt;mahavishnu orchestra - along with weather report, .....
&gt; &gt;&gt; he is a giant - one of my favorite musicians and composers ever.&quot;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;Amen!!! I have always thought that about McLaughlin, ever
&gt; &gt;since I heard Bitches Brew, then hearing him live in 1971.
&gt; &gt; McLaughlin and Weather Report were my 2 favorites
&gt; &gt;back then, nothing since then has really done it for me like
&gt; &gt;that.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;Watch, now people will start trashing Metheny for uttering
&gt; &gt;such blasphemy! He might even lose some fans!
&gt;
&gt; Well, Metheney's into music, not jazz per se. In an interview in JJG
&gt; he was kind of dismissive about &quot;je-azz&quot; as he called it. He's taken a
&gt; lot of jazz vocabulary and moved on with it, and he looks at music as
&gt; music, not some stylistic subset. People who know _The One Truth_
&gt; about jazz don't appreciate this. Sod 'em.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; ------------------------------------------------------------ --
&gt; &quot;If the gods wanted us to twist our spines about
&gt; while we played guitar, they would have given us
&gt; rubber bands rather than vertebrae. And then where
&gt; would humanity be? Propelling cornflakes box
&gt; submarines in some alien bathtub in an ungodly
&gt; time dimension where the music of the spheres
&gt; consisted of Kenny G.&quot;
&gt; Spinoza
&gt; ------------------------------------------------------------ --

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Posted on 2005-06-16 20:12:50 by pmfan57

And here's what Ed Shaunessy had to say about McLaughlin in a Modern
Drummer interview:

&quot;MD: List your three favorite Tonight Show performances.
Ed: One was when John McLaughlin came on the show. I had always wished
in my wildest dreams to play with him. We played &quot;Cherokee&quot; at a really
fast tempo, and I enjoyed it so much. He came back later and told me I
had done a good job.&quot;

He seemed to hold Johnny Mac in high regard.

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Posted on 2005-06-16 20:24:47 by d.onstenk

OK Dumb question. Who's Glenn Campbell? I have no idea.

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&gt; He's really not in
&gt; the same league as someone like Benson. .......joe
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; You're making that judgement on one performance?
&gt;
&gt; I heard Glen for a few hours with the Champs back in about 1962.
&gt;
&gt; He could hold his own with anybody based on that performance. He had
&gt; astonishing chops in any style those guys were playing, and they were
&gt; all jazz players playing dance music.
&gt;
&gt; He was using a Fender, maybe a Jazzmaster and a showman amp. I have no
&gt; idea if he's kept up, but he deserved all the studio work he got - he
&gt; could do it all! I heard him a few times on his variety show - I don't
&gt; think I saw Benson, but I remember him jamming with Ray Charles. He was
&gt; pretty much playing to the show.
&gt;
&gt; He was way over that live, I mean way way waaaaaay over that, and it
&gt; seemed to be triflin' for him - he barely paid attention to the axe,
&gt; just played it. I was flabbergasted at the time.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Clif Kuplen
&gt;

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Posted on 2005-06-16 20:26:38 by mleggetNOHONKINSPAM

On 16 Jun 2005 10:34:33 -0700, &quot;pmfan57&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:jwragusa&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">jwragusa&#64;aol.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;
&gt;Yeah, Jarrett has taken some heat for directly taking on Marsal*s. But
&gt;Jarrett is a titan and is willing to put up with that criticism. (I
&gt;know; I wish he would stop making those noises too).

It must be a piano thing. Oscar used to do it all the time: he'd be
playing just killer melodic lines over a ballad, and he'd be grunting
like he was sitting on the throne and straining for a big one.







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&quot;If the gods wanted us to twist our spines about
while we played guitar, they would have given us
rubber bands rather than vertebrae. And then where
would humanity be? Propelling cornflakes box
submarines in some alien bathtub in an ungodly
time dimension where the music of the spheres
consisted of Kenny G.&quot;
Spinoza
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Posted on 2005-06-16 20:29:12 by mleggetNOHONKINSPAM

On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 20:24:47 +0200, &quot;Five Sharp&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:d.onstenk&#64;chello.nl" target="_blank">d.onstenk&#64;chello.nl</a>&gt;
wrote:

&gt;OK Dumb question. Who's Glenn Campbell? I have no idea.

Famous as a pop singer in the 60s and 70s. Wichita Lineman, By The Tme
I get to Phoenix, had his own TV show.


&gt;
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&gt;
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&gt;&gt; He's really not in
&gt;&gt; the same league as someone like Benson. .......joe
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; You're making that judgement on one performance?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I heard Glen for a few hours with the Champs back in about 1962.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; He could hold his own with anybody based on that performance. He had
&gt;&gt; astonishing chops in any style those guys were playing, and they were
&gt;&gt; all jazz players playing dance music.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; He was using a Fender, maybe a Jazzmaster and a showman amp. I have no
&gt;&gt; idea if he's kept up, but he deserved all the studio work he got - he
&gt;&gt; could do it all! I heard him a few times on his variety show - I don't
&gt;&gt; think I saw Benson, but I remember him jamming with Ray Charles. He was
&gt;&gt; pretty much playing to the show.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; He was way over that live, I mean way way waaaaaay over that, and it
&gt;&gt; seemed to be triflin' for him - he barely paid attention to the axe,
&gt;&gt; just played it. I was flabbergasted at the time.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Clif Kuplen
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt;


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&quot;If the gods wanted us to twist our spines about
while we played guitar, they would have given us
rubber bands rather than vertebrae. And then where
would humanity be? Propelling cornflakes box
submarines in some alien bathtub in an ungodly
time dimension where the music of the spheres
consisted of Kenny G.&quot;
Spinoza
------------------------------------------------------------ --

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Posted on 2005-06-16 20:43:02 by El Kabong

&gt;&gt;OK Dumb question. Who's Glenn Campbell? I have no idea.
&gt;
&gt;Famous as a pop singer in the 60s and 70s. Wichita Lineman, By The Tme
&gt;I get to Phoenix, had his own TV show.
&gt;
&gt;

That's what's so ironic about this, a pop singer/jazz guitarist
and a jazz guitarist/pop singer.

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#90: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-16 21:26:42 by pmfan57

Also very busy studio guitarist in the 60's. Played on many Beach Boys
records and many others. Extremely powerful technician/picker on the
guitar with super chops.

Max Leggett wrote:
&gt; On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 20:24:47 +0200, &quot;Five Sharp&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:d.onstenk&#64;chello.nl" target="_blank">d.onstenk&#64;chello.nl</a>&gt;
&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt;OK Dumb question. Who's Glenn Campbell? I have no idea.
&gt;
&gt; Famous as a pop singer in the 60s and 70s. Wichita Lineman, By The Tme
&gt; I get to Phoenix, had his own TV show.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;#####
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&lt;<a href="mailto:jurupari&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">jurupari&#64;aol.com</a>&gt; schreef in bericht
&gt; &gt;news:<a href="mailto:1118675058.521640.168770&#64;g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com..." target="_blank">1118675058.521640.168770&#64;g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...</a>
&gt; &gt;&gt; He's really not in
&gt; &gt;&gt; the same league as someone like Benson. .......joe
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; You're making that judgement on one performance?
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; I heard Glen for a few hours with the Champs back in about 1962.
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; He could hold his own with anybody based on that performance. He had
&gt; &gt;&gt; astonishing chops in any style those guys were playing, and they were
&gt; &gt;&gt; all jazz players playing dance music.
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; He was using a Fender, maybe a Jazzmaster and a showman amp. I have no
&gt; &gt;&gt; idea if he's kept up, but he deserved all the studio work he got - he
&gt; &gt;&gt; could do it all! I heard him a few times on his variety show - I don't
&gt; &gt;&gt; think I saw Benson, but I remember him jamming with Ray Charles. He was
&gt; &gt;&gt; pretty much playing to the show.
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; He was way over that live, I mean way way waaaaaay over that, and it
&gt; &gt;&gt; seemed to be triflin' for him - he barely paid attention to the axe,
&gt; &gt;&gt; just played it. I was flabbergasted at the time.
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; Clif Kuplen
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; ------------------------------------------------------------ --
&gt; &quot;If the gods wanted us to twist our spines about
&gt; while we played guitar, they would have given us
&gt; rubber bands rather than vertebrae. And then where
&gt; would humanity be? Propelling cornflakes box
&gt; submarines in some alien bathtub in an ungodly
&gt; time dimension where the music of the spheres
&gt; consisted of Kenny G.&quot;
&gt; Spinoza
&gt; ------------------------------------------------------------ --

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#91: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-16 21:30:42 by El Kabong

On 16 Jun 2005 12:26:42 -0700, &quot;pmfan57&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:jwragusa&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">jwragusa&#64;aol.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;Also very busy studio guitarist in the 60's. Played on many Beach Boys
&gt;records and many others.

Frank Sinatra too!
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you want and let the public pick up on what you're doing even if it does take
them fifteen, twenty years.&quot; - Thelonious Monk

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#92: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-16 21:31:32 by pmfan57

That was what struck me the most about his guitar playing. He would
set off a torrent of Dimeola-like picking, without so much as looking
down or looking like it took ANY effort. Like he had tons in reserve.

He was one of the best pickers in the world in the sixties.


<a href="mailto:jurupari&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">jurupari&#64;aol.com</a> wrote:
&gt; He's really not in
&gt; the same league as someone like Benson. .......joe
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; You're making that judgement on one performance?
&gt;
&gt; I heard Glen for a few hours with the Champs back in about 1962.
&gt;
&gt; He could hold his own with anybody based on that performance. He had
&gt; astonishing chops in any style those guys were playing, and they were
&gt; all jazz players playing dance music.
&gt;
&gt; He was using a Fender, maybe a Jazzmaster and a showman amp. I have no
&gt; idea if he's kept up, but he deserved all the studio work he got - he
&gt; could do it all! I heard him a few times on his variety show - I don't
&gt; think I saw Benson, but I remember him jamming with Ray Charles. He was
&gt; pretty much playing to the show.
&gt;
&gt; He was way over that live, I mean way way waaaaaay over that, and it
&gt; seemed to be triflin' for him - he barely paid attention to the axe,
&gt; just played it. I was flabbergasted at the time.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Clif Kuplen

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#93: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-16 21:38:01 by El Kabong

On 15 Jun 2005 18:20:13 -0700, &quot;pmfan57&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:jwragusa&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">jwragusa&#64;aol.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;
&gt;Here's what Pat Metheny has to say about John McLaughlin:

I read a Joe Pass interview, either GP or Downbeat,
wherein Pass praised McLaughlin and Mahavishnu
to the high heavens, and said he wanted to get a Marshall and Les
Paul and try some of that style himself. Pass also praised
Holdsworth.

Larry Coryell said when he first heard McLaughlin, he
thought he must be Jesus Christ.

And on and on and on those kind of compliments go,
except here.
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you want and let the public pick up on what you're doing even if it does take
them fifteen, twenty years.&quot; - Thelonious Monk

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#94: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-16 21:47:15 by pmfan57

Coryell said he couldn't &quot;believe it&quot; (get it?) when he saw the
lifetime. He said JM was the greatest guitarist in the world. He
invented a genre of guitar improvising.

I have heard people put down that DVD instructional set. Well JM plays
some of the most brain blistering sheets of sound solos ever played on
the examples on that DVD. With left and right hand close ups and
transcriptions with tab freely available. No other guitarist in the
world could play what he plays on that DVD set. Towards the end of the
DVD set, the playing is over VERY complex changes. I would have no
clue what to do over that. JM just blows like crazy over it.



Johnny Asia wrote:
&gt; On 15 Jun 2005 18:20:13 -0700, &quot;pmfan57&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:jwragusa&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">jwragusa&#64;aol.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;Here's what Pat Metheny has to say about John McLaughlin:
&gt;
&gt; I read a Joe Pass interview, either GP or Downbeat,
&gt; wherein Pass praised McLaughlin and Mahavishnu
&gt; to the high heavens, and said he wanted to get a Marshall and Les
&gt; Paul and try some of that style himself. Pass also praised
&gt; Holdsworth.
&gt;
&gt; Larry Coryell said when he first heard McLaughlin, he
&gt; thought he must be Jesus Christ.
&gt;
&gt; And on and on and on those kind of compliments go,
&gt; except here.
&gt; +
&gt;
&gt; Johnny Asia, Hippie Guitarist
&gt; <a href="http://johnnyasia.info" target="_blank">http://johnnyasia.info</a>
&gt;
&gt; <a href="http://www.angelfire.com/art2/painterny/johnny/ja2.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.angelfire.com/art2/painterny/johnny/ja2.jpg</a>
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &quot;I say play your own way. Don't play what the public wants. You play what
&gt; you want and let the public pick up on what you're doing even if it does take
&gt; them fifteen, twenty years.&quot; - Thelonious Monk

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#95: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-16 22:51:37 by Greger Hoel

On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 18:26:38 GMT, <a href="mailto:mleggetNOHONKINSPAM&#64;sprint.ca" target="_blank">mleggetNOHONKINSPAM&#64;sprint.ca</a> (Max
Leggett) wrote:

&gt;On 16 Jun 2005 10:34:33 -0700, &quot;pmfan57&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:jwragusa&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">jwragusa&#64;aol.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;Yeah, Jarrett has taken some heat for directly taking on Marsal*s. But
&gt;&gt;Jarrett is a titan and is willing to put up with that criticism. (I
&gt;&gt;know; I wish he would stop making those noises too).
&gt;
&gt;It must be a piano thing. Oscar used to do it all the time: he'd be
&gt;playing just killer melodic lines over a ballad, and he'd be grunting
&gt;like he was sitting on the throne and straining for a big one.

Piano players usually being full of it, can you blame him?
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#96: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-17 00:34:03 by glen

What turned me onto Mclaughlin was In A Silent Way. Miles told him to
play the theme like he didn't know how to play the guitar. The level
of *restraint* is awe inspiring. Yeah he can blow like no one else
(check out the album with santana -love devotion surrender,) but listen
to him thinking on Silent way.

I remember seeing video of him in my late teens and not believing what
he was doing he was just playing a normal guitar- but super fast,
mind blowingly fast, what planet is he from, fast I think I was
watching the de Lucia, de Meola san francisco thing. I'd been
imagining that he'd had three arms or something. Wow.

Weirdly after years of being a fan, i ended up by accident settling
very close to where he's from in a smallish, very non jazz town in the
north of England.
I'm from Ireland so it was pretty strange when i realised that he grew
up in this odd, provincial place.

Btw. Pat Metheny has got to be one of the most intelligent and
articulate commentators on contemporary music and musicians. He's
always got something interesting and positive to say. Another
inspiring man.

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#97: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-17 04:13:04 by pmfan57

Yes. Metheny is a giant. and McLaughlin holds him in high regard as
well, if my fractured French is at least somewhat accurate. I heard a
video interview with JM that included a clip of Metheny on solo
acoustic and JM commenting on it, in French. He gave his view of
Metheny's style and how much he liked it.

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#98: Re: Benson with Glen Campbell

Posted on 2005-06-17 14:10:57 by Tom Walls

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:42b1c3fb.180061404&#64;News.sprint.ca" target="_blank">42b1c3fb.180061404&#64;News.sprint.ca</a>&gt;,
<a href="mailto:mleggetNOHONKINSPAM&#64;sprint.ca" target="_blank">mleggetNOHONKINSPAM&#64;sprint.ca</a> says...
&gt; On 16 Jun 2005 10:34:33 -0700, &quot;pmfan57&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:jwragusa&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">jwragusa&#64;aol.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;Yeah, Jarrett has taken some heat for directly taking on Marsal*s. But
&gt; &gt;Jarrett is a titan and is willing to put up with that criticism. (I
&gt; &gt;know; I wish he would stop making those noises too).
&gt;
&gt; It must be a piano thing. Oscar used to do it all the time: he'd be
&gt; playing just killer melodic lines over a ballad, and he'd be grunting
&gt; like he was sitting on the throne and straining for a big one.
&gt;

The piano's mike picks up the grunts and groans. A lot of musicians make
vocal noises, but nobody hears them. Elvin Jones made so much noise that
you could hear him over Elvin Jones!
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the guy at the Temple of Zeus

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