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#1: Gibson Archtop book?

Posted on 2005-04-21 20:23:49 by Dan Johnson

Can anyone point me in the direction of a good book about this as I
need to brush up on some info
Thanks!!

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#2: Re: Gibson Archtop book?

Posted on 2005-04-21 21:28:33 by Dave Stephens

Google or Amazon for Thomas Van Hoose "Super 400". That book focuses on the
Super 400 but has much good about the other Gibson archtops and the
competitors from other manufacturers.

Dave

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&gt; Can anyone point me in the direction of a good book about this as I
&gt; need to brush up on some info
&gt; Thanks!!
&gt;

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#3: Re: Gibson Archtop book?

Posted on 2005-04-21 21:40:44 by Ra

&quot;Dave Stephens&quot; wrote

&gt; Google or Amazon for Thomas Van Hoose &quot;Super 400&quot;. That book focuses on the Super 400 but has much good about the other Gibson
&gt; archtops and the competitors from other manufacturers.
&gt;
&gt; Dave


The only other Gibson it mentions much, is the L-5

Howard Carter has some good books on Gibsons.


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#4: Re: Gibson Archtop book?

Posted on 2005-04-21 21:47:20 by Ra

&quot;Ra&quot; wrote

&gt; Howard Carter has some good books on Gibsons.


whoops.

Howard Carter is the man who discovered Tutankamen's tomb.
The man you want is Walter Carter

<a href="http://amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0972751009/qid%3D1114112529" target="_blank"> http://amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0972751009/qid%3D11141125 29</a>

He also co-wrote Gruhn's Guide and is Gibson's historian.
He's also the Mando player for the Nashville Mandolin Ensemble
(we designed a mandolin pick together)

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#5: Re: Gibson Archtop book?

Posted on 2005-04-21 23:25:48 by hogrider

Adrian Ingram wrote a book on the L-5 and a book on the Es-175. Both are
woth reading.

Marc


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&gt;
&gt; &quot;Ra&quot; wrote
&gt;
&gt;&gt; Howard Carter has some good books on Gibsons.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; whoops.
&gt;
&gt; Howard Carter is the man who discovered Tutankamen's tomb.
&gt; The man you want is Walter Carter
&gt;
&gt; <a href="http://amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0972751009/qid%3D1114112529" target="_blank"> http://amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0972751009/qid%3D11141125 29</a>
&gt;
&gt; He also co-wrote Gruhn's Guide and is Gibson's historian.
&gt; He's also the Mando player for the Nashville Mandolin Ensemble
&gt; (we designed a mandolin pick together)
&gt;
&gt; --
&gt;
&gt; best regards,
&gt; Ra
&gt;
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#6: Re: Gibson Archtop book?

Posted on 2005-04-21 23:26:14 by Rick Stone

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&gt;
&gt; &quot;Ra&quot; wrote
&gt; Howard Carter is the man who discovered Tutankamen's tomb.
&gt; The man you want is Walter Carter

Tutankamen? Whose band did he play in?


Musically Yours,
Rick Stone
website: <a href="http://www.rickstone.com" target="_blank">http://www.rickstone.com</a>
Listen to clips from my new CD &quot;Samba de Novembro&quot; with Tardo Hammer, Yosuke
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#7: Re: Gibson Archtop book?

Posted on 2005-04-21 23:29:21 by dunlop212

For Gibson electric archtops, get Gibson Electrics, the Classic years
(<a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0793592100/104-3560335-0199128?v=glance" target="_blank"> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0793592100/104 -3560335-0199128?v=glance</a>).
Nothing else comes close.

There is nothing that good comprehensively covering acoustic gibson
archtops (although the super 400 and L5 books are great for those
models); <a href="http://www.provide.net/~cfh/gibson2.html" target="_blank">http://www.provide.net/~cfh/gibson2.html</a> is a better reference
than any book I know about.

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#8: Re: Gibson Archtop book?

Posted on 2005-04-21 23:53:43 by Ra

&quot;Rick Stone&quot; wrote

&gt; Tutankhamen? Whose band did he play in?



Sam the Sham and the Pharoahs?


There are pictures of stringed instruments ( and picks )
on the walls of some tombs.

<a href="http://surfpick.com/history" target="_blank">http://surfpick.com/history</a>




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Ra

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#9: Re: Gibson Archtop book?

Posted on 2005-04-22 02:03:32 by Dan Johnson

Thanks for all your help guys!

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#10: Re: Gibson Archtop book?

Posted on 2005-04-22 02:06:38 by Dan Johnson

Thanks for all your help guys!

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#11: Re: Gibson Archtop book?

Posted on 2005-04-22 02:08:07 by Dan Johnson

Thanks for all your help guys!

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#12: Re: Gibson Archtop book?

Posted on 2005-04-22 02:08:11 by Dan Johnson

Thanks for all your help guys!

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#13: Re: Gibson Archtop book?

Posted on 2005-04-22 04:07:08 by Stan Gosnell

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&gt; He's also the Mando player for the Nashville Mandolin Ensemble

There is only one mando in the Mandolin Ensemble?

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safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.&quot; B. Franklin

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#14: Re: Gibson Archtop book?

Posted on 2005-04-22 07:25:33 by Ra

&quot;Stan Gosnell&quot; wrote

&gt;&gt; He's also the Mando player for the Nashville Mandolin Ensemble


&gt; There is only one mando in the Mandolin Ensemble?


Well, there's 1 Mandola.

There are also 2 Mandolins, a Mandocello a Guitar and an upright Bass.
One of the Mandolin players also plays the Viola.

One CD includes:
Eleanor Rigby
In Memory of Elizabeth Reed
Nuages
Rite of Strings
Stardust
.... and 10 more.

<a href="http://amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0001Z232C" target="_blank">http://amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0001Z232C</a>



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#15: Re: Gibson Archtop book?

Posted on 2005-04-22 13:34:00 by Keith Freeman

&gt; Tutankamen? Whose band did he play in?

Word has it he played Pyramid strings.

-Keith

Music samples, tips, Portable Changes at
<a href="http://home.wanadoo.nl/keith.freeman/" target="_blank">http://home.wanadoo.nl/keith.freeman/</a>

E-mail: keith DOT freeman AT wanadoo DOT nl

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#16: Re: Gibson Archtop book?

Posted on 2005-04-22 13:45:22 by bob r

in article <a href="mailto:Xns96408A30B6CB5keithfree&#64;194.134.69.69" target="_blank">Xns96408A30B6CB5keithfree&#64;194.134.69.69</a>, Keith Freeman at
<a href="mailto:dont.use.this.address&#64;nowhere.com" target="_blank">dont.use.this.address&#64;nowhere.com</a> wrote on 4/22/05 7:34 AM:

&gt;&gt; Tutankamen? Whose band did he play in?
&gt;
&gt; Word has it he played Pyramid strings.
&gt;
&gt; -Keith
&gt;
&gt; Music samples, tips, Portable Changes at
&gt; <a href="http://home.wanadoo.nl/keith.freeman/" target="_blank">http://home.wanadoo.nl/keith.freeman/</a>
&gt;
&gt; E-mail: keith DOT freeman AT wanadoo DOT nl

Wasn't he with Tetra and the Hedrons? I heard all four of them got really
plane-faced...
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#17: Re: Gibson Archtop book?

Posted on 2005-04-22 18:07:30 by ottguit

BLue book of Guitars?
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#18: Re: Gibson Archtop book?

Posted on 2005-04-23 07:13:15 by Rick Stone

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&gt;
&gt; &quot;Rick Stone&quot; wrote
&gt;
&gt; &gt; Tutankhamen? Whose band did he play in?
&gt;
&gt; Sam the Sham and the Pharoahs?

Oh yeah, they did &quot;Land of a Thousand Dances&quot; right? Na, nananana,
nananana, nanana, nanana, nananana . . . . (deep lyrics, must've been some
kind of code).

&gt;
&gt; There are pictures of stringed instruments ( and picks )
&gt; on the walls of some tombs.
&gt;
&gt; <a href="http://surfpick.com/history" target="_blank">http://surfpick.com/history</a>

Your picks look interesting as well. I currently use the Dugains but I
don't know if they're still being made. I bought the last 20 they had at
Dunlop a few years ago and am still going through that batch. I love the
shape of the Dugains, but the wood has been inconsistent. I spend some time
with some 400 and 600 guage paper, practicing and shaping the tip till I get
them to sound the way I like (I like them a bit more blunt than they come
from the factory). But I can't use every one. Sometimes they have a bit of
roughness in the grain in an awkward place and they just won't smooth out.
I see you mention using 2000 guage paper. Where do you get that?

Musically Yours,
Rick Stone
website: <a href="http://www.rickstone.com" target="_blank">http://www.rickstone.com</a>
Listen to clips from my new CD &quot;Samba de Novembro&quot; with Tardo Hammer, Yosuke
Inoue and Matt Wilson at <a href="http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/rickstone" target="_blank">http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/rickstone</a>
And drummer Al Ashley's CD &quot;These Are Them&quot; featuring Dave Leibman, Rick
Stone and Oliver Von Essen at <a href="http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/alashley" target="_blank">http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/alashley</a>

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#19: Re: Gibson Archtop book?

Posted on 2005-04-23 13:06:10 by Ra

&quot;Rick Stone&quot; wrote

&gt;&gt; Sam the Sham and the Pharoahs?
&gt;
&gt; Oh yeah, they did &quot;Land of a Thousand Dances&quot; right? Na, nananana,
&gt; nananana, nanana, nanana, nananana . . . . (deep lyrics, must've been some
&gt; kind of code).

&gt; Your picks look interesting as well. I currently use the Dugains but I
&gt; don't know if they're still being made. I bought the last 20 they had at
&gt; Dunlop a few years ago and am still going through that batch. I love the
&gt; shape of the Dugains, but the wood has been inconsistent. I spend some time
&gt; with some 400 and 600 guage paper, practicing and shaping the tip till I get
&gt; them to sound the way I like (I like them a bit more blunt than they come
&gt; from the factory). But I can't use every one. Sometimes they have a bit of
&gt; roughness in the grain in an awkward place and they just won't smooth out.
&gt; I see you mention using 2000 guage paper. Where do you get that?


I switch between 1500, 2000 and 2500 grit.
It's surprising how even 2500 grit can cut, when it's fresh.

Here is the best source:

<a href="http://www.onlineindustrialsupply.com/abrasive-sheets-silicon-carbide-waterproof-9--by-11--paper-sheets.html" target="_blank"> http://www.onlineindustrialsupply.com/abrasive-sheets-silico n-carbide-waterproof-9--by-11--paper-sheets.html</a>

You have to order 50 sheets.
They're having a sale until the end of April.
If you use the codeword SPRING when checking out,
you will get an additional 5% discount.

As you pointed out, you may be encountering roughness in the grain that
you will be unable to tame, regardless of the sandpaper that you use.
This is not a problem with Lignum Vitae.

As for a 'blunt' tip...
Most of my picks have a tapered bevel that becomes quite thin at the edges.
I sometimes give them a more rounded bevel, which results in a flatter, thicker pick.

I believe that the rounded bevel allows very fast play,
where the pick seems to roll over the strings...
but that the tapered bevel allows more variety of nuance,
when striking the string.


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Ra

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#20: Re: Gibson Archtop book?

Posted on 2005-04-23 17:07:42 by Jerry Carden

Try &quot;Gibson Electrics - The Classic Years&quot; by A.R. Duchossoir. It's a bit
more broadly-based, but contains a lot of archtop information.

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&gt; Can anyone point me in the direction of a good book about this as I
&gt; need to brush up on some info
&gt; Thanks!!
&gt;

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#21: Re: Gibson Archtop book?

Posted on 2005-04-24 09:00:07 by Rick Stone

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&gt; &quot;Rick Stone&quot; wrote
&gt; &gt; Your picks look interesting as well. I currently use the Dugains but I
&gt; &gt; don't know if they're still being made. I bought the last 20 they had
at
&gt; &gt; Dunlop a few years ago and am still going through that batch. I love
the
&gt; &gt; shape of the Dugains, but the wood has been inconsistent. I spend some
time
&gt; &gt; with some 400 and 600 guage paper, practicing and shaping the tip till I
get
&gt; &gt; them to sound the way I like (I like them a bit more blunt than they
come
&gt; &gt; from the factory). But I can't use every one. Sometimes they have a
bit of
&gt; &gt; roughness in the grain in an awkward place and they just won't smooth
out.
&gt; &gt; I see you mention using 2000 guage paper. Where do you get that?
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; I switch between 1500, 2000 and 2500 grit.
&gt; It's surprising how even 2500 grit can cut, when it's fresh.
&gt;
&gt; Here is the best source:
&gt;
&gt;
<a href="http://www.onlineindustrialsupply.com/abrasive-sheets-silicon-carbide-waterproof-9--by-11--paper-sheets.html" target="_blank"> http://www.onlineindustrialsupply.com/abrasive-sheets-silico n-carbide-waterproof-9--by-11--paper-sheets.html</a>
&gt;
&gt; You have to order 50 sheets.
&gt; They're having a sale until the end of April.
&gt; If you use the codeword SPRING when checking out,
&gt; you will get an additional 5% discount.
&gt;
&gt; As you pointed out, you may be encountering roughness in the grain that
&gt; you will be unable to tame, regardless of the sandpaper that you use.
&gt; This is not a problem with Lignum Vitae.
&gt;
&gt; As for a 'blunt' tip...
&gt; Most of my picks have a tapered bevel that becomes quite thin at the
edges.
&gt; I sometimes give them a more rounded bevel, which results in a flatter,
thicker pick.
&gt;
&gt; I believe that the rounded bevel allows very fast play,
&gt; where the pick seems to roll over the strings...
&gt; but that the tapered bevel allows more variety of nuance,
&gt; when striking the string.

I like the blunt tip (not much of a bevel at all). It actually is a lot
slower than most other picks I've used, but it's the sound I'm going for
(much closer to the &quot;thumb&quot; sound).

Musically Yours,
Rick Stone
website: <a href="http://www.rickstone.com" target="_blank">http://www.rickstone.com</a>
Listen to clips from my new CD &quot;Samba de Novembro&quot; with Tardo Hammer, Yosuke
Inoue and Matt Wilson at <a href="http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/rickstone" target="_blank">http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/rickstone</a>
And drummer Al Ashley's CD &quot;These Are Them&quot; featuring Dave Leibman, Rick
Stone and Oliver Von Essen at <a href="http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/alashley" target="_blank">http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/alashley</a>

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