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#1: Re: Do SOMETHING Brave today project

Posted on 2006-07-10 16:55:19 by gmelin

<a href="mailto:tysteel3000&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">tysteel3000&#64;aol.com</a> wrote:
&gt; The other day, while I was filling up my car with gas, I looked over to
&gt; the right and say this guy and girl hugging each other, kissing, and
&gt; etc like they are putting on a cheap porn movie show. They were
&gt; practically humping each other and showing off. As I was pulling out
&gt; of the gas station, the thought occured to me that I should lower down
&gt; my window and yell at the guy, &quot;why don't you just fuck her in the
&gt; air!&quot; and peel out with my car. I really wanted to do that, and it
&gt; would've been a great example of thinking out loud.

&quot;Loud&quot;? Yes. &quot;Thinking&quot;? I see little evidence of it in this or any
other of your examples. By &quot;thinking out loud,&quot; you seem to mean just
shouting out whatever enters your brain. People who do that have a
psychological disorder called Tourette Syndrome. Or else they are very
small children. The rest of us are able to actually limit ourselves to
behaving appropiately for the situation. What you are calling for
isn't being &quot;brave,&quot; it's being childish.

The only thing
&gt; that prevented me from doing so is the conclusion that it would
&gt; probably lead to a fight, and I don't need the aggravation of ending up
&gt; in jail right now or getting sued.

Excellent; you demonstrated judgement. Try to build on that.

&gt; Another thing that I've found quite amusing. I live in the very
&gt; conservative state of Texas, which is the buckle of the bible belt.
&gt; Ever since that movie BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN came out, I've seen a lot of
&gt; same sex couples making out with each other in public view. Very
&gt; young kids around high school age. Never before would you have
&gt; dreamed of seeing of anything of the like, especially in Texas. This
&gt; sort of behavior is shunned and frowned upon out here so I was
&gt; surprised to see how ballsy some of these kids are. I was at a barnes
&gt; &amp; noble bookstore a couple of months ago, and I saw these two teenage
&gt; males kissing and making out over by the Wicca/new age section of the
&gt; bookstore. I was raised with a christian upbringing, and I went to
&gt; church as a youngster, so to see this - out in public - made my jaw
&gt; drop. I also saw these two teenage girls making out in the parking
&gt; lot while I was carting my groceries to my car. They were just
&gt; tearing at each other...like two emaciated dogs fighting over a bone.
&gt; I was just flabbergasted. How many of you have noticed this trend of
&gt; an increasing number of same sex couples having public sex since that
&gt; BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN movie came out?

I dunno. I haven't noticed any such change. But I must say, in a
world full of judgemental, moralistic jerks like you, it sounds like
those people were definitely doing something brave, wouldn't you say?
See, there's running your mouth off, like you advocate, which isn't all
that brave really, since talk is cheap, and then there's living a
courageous life, unafraid of the condemnation of others. That's
bravery.

By the way, I teach my students to have the courage to express their
views and to stand behind them, but I also give them the tools to
express themselves effectively in their writing and conversation so
they don't just end up as raving idiots shouting at random passersby in
gas stations.

gmelin

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#2: Re: Do SOMETHING Brave today project

Posted on 2006-07-14 20:40:09 by tysteel3000

gmelin wrote:
&lt;snip&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &gt; Another thing that I've found quite amusing. I live in the very
&gt; &gt; conservative state of Texas, which is the buckle of the bible belt.
&gt; &gt; Ever since that movie BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN came out, I've seen a lot of
&gt; &gt; same sex couples making out with each other in public view. Very
&gt; &gt; young kids around high school age. Never before would you have
&gt; &gt; dreamed of seeing of anything of the like, especially in Texas. This
&gt; &gt; sort of behavior is shunned and frowned upon out here so I was
&gt; &gt; surprised to see how ballsy some of these kids are. I was at a barnes
&gt; &gt; &amp; noble bookstore a couple of months ago, and I saw these two teenage
&gt; &gt; males kissing and making out over by the Wicca/new age section of the
&gt; &gt; bookstore. I was raised with a christian upbringing, and I went to
&gt; &gt; church as a youngster, so to see this - out in public - made my jaw
&gt; &gt; drop. I also saw these two teenage girls making out in the parking
&gt; &gt; lot while I was carting my groceries to my car. They were just
&gt; &gt; tearing at each other...like two emaciated dogs fighting over a bone.
&gt; &gt; I was just flabbergasted. How many of you have noticed this trend of
&gt; &gt; an increasing number of same sex couples having public sex since that
&gt; &gt; BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN movie came out?
&gt;
&gt; I dunno. I haven't noticed any such change. But I must say, in a
&gt; world full of judgemental, moralistic jerks like you, it sounds like
&gt; those people were definitely doing something brave, wouldn't you say?
&gt; See, there's running your mouth off, like you advocate, which isn't all
&gt; that brave really, since talk is cheap, and then there's living a
&gt; courageous life, unafraid of the condemnation of others. That's
&gt; bravery.
&gt;

Hi,

I think it takes bravery to speak out against immoral, degenerate
behavior. In today's age, those who stand up for moral values are
often villified. It seems that there is more of a risk in standing up
for what's right as opposed to doing something that is wrong. Those
who oppose homosexuality are labeled as &quot;homophobes&quot;, &quot;bigots&quot;, &quot;hate
filled people&quot; and etc. There may be some who fall into this
category, but I don't and neither do many others who believe the bible
to be the TRUTH. Those who choose to engage in this abomination, this
affront to God, are being cast as victims by the atheists and
secularists brainwashing everyone through the media.

A society that loses all moral compass will be utterly destroyed, and
rampant homosexuality, and society's acceptance and permissiveness to
it, is the first sign of a civilization sliding into decay.

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#3: Re: Do SOMETHING Brave today project

Posted on 2006-07-14 23:26:03 by Rick Massey

Funny, I thought people who put their nose in other people's business, force
their beliefs on others, and make blanket statements about morality without
understanding that morality is not innate but instead an artificial
construct of a society or subset of society were the first sign of a
civilization slipping into moral decay. But that's just my opinion...
&lt;<a href="mailto:tysteel3000&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">tysteel3000&#64;aol.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;
&gt; gmelin wrote:
&gt; &lt;snip&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt; Another thing that I've found quite amusing. I live in the very
&gt;&gt; &gt; conservative state of Texas, which is the buckle of the bible belt.
&gt;&gt; &gt; Ever since that movie BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN came out, I've seen a lot of
&gt;&gt; &gt; same sex couples making out with each other in public view. Very
&gt;&gt; &gt; young kids around high school age. Never before would you have
&gt;&gt; &gt; dreamed of seeing of anything of the like, especially in Texas. This
&gt;&gt; &gt; sort of behavior is shunned and frowned upon out here so I was
&gt;&gt; &gt; surprised to see how ballsy some of these kids are. I was at a barnes
&gt;&gt; &gt; &amp; noble bookstore a couple of months ago, and I saw these two teenage
&gt;&gt; &gt; males kissing and making out over by the Wicca/new age section of the
&gt;&gt; &gt; bookstore. I was raised with a christian upbringing, and I went to
&gt;&gt; &gt; church as a youngster, so to see this - out in public - made my jaw
&gt;&gt; &gt; drop. I also saw these two teenage girls making out in the parking
&gt;&gt; &gt; lot while I was carting my groceries to my car. They were just
&gt;&gt; &gt; tearing at each other...like two emaciated dogs fighting over a bone.
&gt;&gt; &gt; I was just flabbergasted. How many of you have noticed this trend of
&gt;&gt; &gt; an increasing number of same sex couples having public sex since that
&gt;&gt; &gt; BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN movie came out?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I dunno. I haven't noticed any such change. But I must say, in a
&gt;&gt; world full of judgemental, moralistic jerks like you, it sounds like
&gt;&gt; those people were definitely doing something brave, wouldn't you say?
&gt;&gt; See, there's running your mouth off, like you advocate, which isn't all
&gt;&gt; that brave really, since talk is cheap, and then there's living a
&gt;&gt; courageous life, unafraid of the condemnation of others. That's
&gt;&gt; bravery.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Hi,
&gt;
&gt; I think it takes bravery to speak out against immoral, degenerate
&gt; behavior. In today's age, those who stand up for moral values are
&gt; often villified. It seems that there is more of a risk in standing up
&gt; for what's right as opposed to doing something that is wrong. Those
&gt; who oppose homosexuality are labeled as &quot;homophobes&quot;, &quot;bigots&quot;, &quot;hate
&gt; filled people&quot; and etc. There may be some who fall into this
&gt; category, but I don't and neither do many others who believe the bible
&gt; to be the TRUTH. Those who choose to engage in this abomination, this
&gt; affront to God, are being cast as victims by the atheists and
&gt; secularists brainwashing everyone through the media.
&gt;
&gt; A society that loses all moral compass will be utterly destroyed, and
&gt; rampant homosexuality, and society's acceptance and permissiveness to
&gt; it, is the first sign of a civilization sliding into decay.
&gt;

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#4: Re: Do SOMETHING Brave today project

Posted on 2006-07-15 04:11:10 by Teakbois

On 14 Jul 2006 11:40:09 -0700, <a href="mailto:tysteel3000&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">tysteel3000&#64;aol.com</a> muttered:

&gt;
&gt;gmelin wrote:
&gt;&lt;snip&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt; Another thing that I've found quite amusing. I live in the very
&gt;&gt; &gt; conservative state of Texas, which is the buckle of the bible belt.
&gt;&gt; &gt; Ever since that movie BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN came out, I've seen a lot of
&gt;&gt; &gt; same sex couples making out with each other in public view. Very
&gt;&gt; &gt; young kids around high school age. Never before would you have
&gt;&gt; &gt; dreamed of seeing of anything of the like, especially in Texas. This
&gt;&gt; &gt; sort of behavior is shunned and frowned upon out here so I was
&gt;&gt; &gt; surprised to see how ballsy some of these kids are. I was at a barnes
&gt;&gt; &gt; &amp; noble bookstore a couple of months ago, and I saw these two teenage
&gt;&gt; &gt; males kissing and making out over by the Wicca/new age section of the
&gt;&gt; &gt; bookstore. I was raised with a christian upbringing, and I went to
&gt;&gt; &gt; church as a youngster, so to see this - out in public - made my jaw
&gt;&gt; &gt; drop. I also saw these two teenage girls making out in the parking
&gt;&gt; &gt; lot while I was carting my groceries to my car. They were just
&gt;&gt; &gt; tearing at each other...like two emaciated dogs fighting over a bone.
&gt;&gt; &gt; I was just flabbergasted. How many of you have noticed this trend of
&gt;&gt; &gt; an increasing number of same sex couples having public sex since that
&gt;&gt; &gt; BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN movie came out?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I dunno. I haven't noticed any such change. But I must say, in a
&gt;&gt; world full of judgemental, moralistic jerks like you, it sounds like
&gt;&gt; those people were definitely doing something brave, wouldn't you say?
&gt;&gt; See, there's running your mouth off, like you advocate, which isn't all
&gt;&gt; that brave really, since talk is cheap, and then there's living a
&gt;&gt; courageous life, unafraid of the condemnation of others. That's
&gt;&gt; bravery.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt;Hi,
&gt;
&gt;I think it takes bravery to speak out against immoral, degenerate
&gt;behavior. In today's age, those who stand up for moral values are
&gt;often villified. It seems that there is more of a risk in standing up
&gt;for what's right as opposed to doing something that is wrong. Those
&gt;who oppose homosexuality are labeled as &quot;homophobes&quot;, &quot;bigots&quot;, &quot;hate
&gt;filled people&quot; and etc. There may be some who fall into this
&gt;category, but I don't and neither do many others who believe the bible
&gt;to be the TRUTH. Those who choose to engage in this abomination, this
&gt;affront to God, are being cast as victims by the atheists and
&gt;secularists brainwashing everyone through the media.
&gt;
&gt;A society that loses all moral compass will be utterly destroyed, and
&gt;rampant homosexuality, and society's acceptance and permissiveness to
&gt;it, is the first sign of a civilization sliding into decay.

The second sign must be psychotic Patrick Moraz stalkers who post on
Usenet.

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#5: Re: Do SOMETHING Brave today project

Posted on 2006-07-15 05:59:35 by gmelin

<a href="mailto:tysteel3000&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">tysteel3000&#64;aol.com</a> wrote:
&gt; I think it takes bravery to speak out against immoral, degenerate
&gt; behavior. In today's age, those who stand up for moral values are
&gt; often villified.

Which moral values? I stand up for moral values that include
tolerance, freedom of expression, not butting into others' private
behavior, and not trying to enforce a religious code onto those who do
not share it. And whaddya know, you're vilifying me for it.

It seems that there is more of a risk in standing up
&gt; for what's right as opposed to doing something that is wrong.

Who gets to decide what's right and what's wrong?

Those
&gt; who oppose homosexuality are labeled as &quot;homophobes&quot;, &quot;bigots&quot;, &quot;hate
&gt; filled people&quot; and etc.

Only those who do it in a bigoted, hateful way.

There may be some who fall into this
&gt; category, but I don't and neither do many others who believe the bible
&gt; to be the TRUTH.

What about those of us who don't believe the Bible to be the truth?
(Why the capital letters?)

Those who choose to engage in this abomination, this
&gt; affront to God,

You sound pretty hateful to me.

are being cast as victims

&quot;Victims&quot;? Of what? Of intolerant bigots who believe their type of
moprality is the on ly acceptable one?

by the atheists and
&gt; secularists brainwashing everyone through the media.

More hatefulness.

&gt; A society that loses all moral compass will be utterly destroyed, and
&gt; rampant homosexuality, and society's acceptance and permissiveness to
&gt; it, is the first sign of a civilization sliding into decay.

It is, huh? The first sign, you say? Bad news, bubbie: people have
been engaging in homosexual behavior since the beginning of mankind,
and it looks like we're still here. But you're right, it does take
bravery to speak out against immoral, degenerate behavior. Forcing
one's utterly unfounded superstitious beliefs onto everyone else is
immoral and degenerate, and I hereby condemn it. And guess what else:
*that's* usually the first sign of a society that's in trouble.

gmelin

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#6: Re: Do SOMETHING Brave today project

Posted on 2006-07-15 06:26:12 by Nicole Massey

&quot;gmelin&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:gmelinr&#64;scc.losrios.edu" target="_blank">gmelinr&#64;scc.losrios.edu</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;
&gt; <a href="mailto:tysteel3000&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">tysteel3000&#64;aol.com</a> wrote:
&gt;&gt; I think it takes bravery to speak out against immoral, degenerate
&gt;&gt; behavior. In today's age, those who stand up for moral values are
&gt;&gt; often villified.
&gt;
&gt; Which moral values? I stand up for moral values that include
&gt; tolerance, freedom of expression, not butting into others' private
&gt; behavior, and not trying to enforce a religious code onto those who do
&gt; not share it. And whaddya know, you're vilifying me for it.
&gt;
&gt; It seems that there is more of a risk in standing up
&gt;&gt; for what's right as opposed to doing something that is wrong.
&gt;
&gt; Who gets to decide what's right and what's wrong?
&gt;
&gt; Those
&gt;&gt; who oppose homosexuality are labeled as &quot;homophobes&quot;, &quot;bigots&quot;, &quot;hate
&gt;&gt; filled people&quot; and etc.
&gt;
&gt; Only those who do it in a bigoted, hateful way.
&gt;
&gt; There may be some who fall into this
&gt;&gt; category, but I don't and neither do many others who believe the bible
&gt;&gt; to be the TRUTH.
&gt;
&gt; What about those of us who don't believe the Bible to be the truth?
&gt; (Why the capital letters?)
&gt;
&gt; Those who choose to engage in this abomination, this
&gt;&gt; affront to God,
&gt;
&gt; You sound pretty hateful to me.
&gt;
&gt; are being cast as victims
&gt;
&gt; &quot;Victims&quot;? Of what? Of intolerant bigots who believe their type of
&gt; moprality is the on ly acceptable one?
&gt;
&gt; by the atheists and
&gt;&gt; secularists brainwashing everyone through the media.
&gt;
&gt; More hatefulness.
&gt;
&gt;&gt; A society that loses all moral compass will be utterly destroyed, and
&gt;&gt; rampant homosexuality, and society's acceptance and permissiveness to
&gt;&gt; it, is the first sign of a civilization sliding into decay.
&gt;
&gt; It is, huh? The first sign, you say? Bad news, bubbie: people have
&gt; been engaging in homosexual behavior since the beginning of mankind,
&gt; and it looks like we're still here. But you're right, it does take
&gt; bravery to speak out against immoral, degenerate behavior. Forcing
&gt; one's utterly unfounded superstitious beliefs onto everyone else is
&gt; immoral and degenerate, and I hereby condemn it. And guess what else:
&gt; *that's* usually the first sign of a society that's in trouble.
&gt;
As the pivotal comedian Mort Sol said in the Early Eighties,

&quot;We live in a nation of two hundred and fifty million people,, and the only
ones that want to get married are the priests and the gays.&quot;

I agree with you, there are more people in the world who don't follow the
bible than those who do, and Christianity is losing membership in a steady
decline. The last thing I want is someone trying to force their beliefs on
me, and anyone who tries it usually gets a nice face full of the gaping
holes in that document.

When are we going to petition alt.config to change the name of this
newsgroup to alt.opinions.ty-steel? Or could we start discussing the band
instead of some poorly written book and it's fanatical fan club? Personally,
I got tired of that topic about four lifetimes ago.

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#7: Re: Do SOMETHING Brave today project

Posted on 2006-07-15 08:56:34 by unknown

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#8: Re: Do SOMETHING Brave today project

Posted on 2006-07-15 17:32:03 by Nicole Massey

&lt;<a href="mailto:Manitou&#64;usenet.com" target="_blank">Manitou&#64;usenet.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; Since this was cross posted AGAIN to AMB and AMY and ty-steel seems to get
&gt; posted on both which group did you want to change the name of?
&gt; I'm all for discussing both bands if either did anything new worth
&gt; discussing. The rehashing Patrick Moraz's limited stays wears thin even
&gt; though he was one of the best things to happen to both bands. The
&gt; marketing
&gt; of yet another best of collection is good for a line or 2 but that is
&gt; about
&gt; it and Chris Squires choice of head wear - though amusing only goes so
&gt; far.
&gt;
&gt; BTW - What were you 4 lifetimes ago and how do you know you were bored
&gt; back
&gt; then? I have this memory block that start at about age 2 of this lifetime
&gt; and can't seem to break past it. Except of course in the big dream.
&gt;
Talk to a hypnotist who has a metaphysical bent, or get really good at
meditation.

Now you have me wanting to listen to the ABWH album again. I have Brother of
Mine running through my head.

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#9: Re: Do SOMETHING Brave today project

Posted on 2006-07-15 18:11:41 by Mike Smith

<a href="mailto:tysteel3000&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">tysteel3000&#64;aol.com</a> wrote:
&gt;
&gt; I think it takes bravery to speak out against immoral, degenerate
&gt; behavior. In today's age, those who stand up for moral values are
&gt; often villified. It seems that there is more of a risk in standing up
&gt; for what's right as opposed to doing something that is wrong. Those
&gt; who oppose homosexuality are labeled as &quot;homophobes&quot;, &quot;bigots&quot;, &quot;hate
&gt; filled people&quot; and etc. There may be some who fall into this
&gt; category, but I don't and neither do many others who believe the bible
&gt; to be the TRUTH. Those who choose to engage in this abomination, this
&gt; affront to God, are being cast as victims by the atheists and
&gt; secularists brainwashing everyone through the media.


Once you prove the existence of God and the veracity of the Bible, then
you can use them as the basis for what is right and wrong. Until then,
you're just a kook. (Um, I mean *still* a kook.)

--
Mike Smith

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Posted on 2006-07-15 23:50:51 by unknown

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#11: Re: Do SOMETHING Brave today project

Posted on 2006-07-16 05:13:30 by Nicole Massey

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&gt;
&gt;
&gt; On 15-Jul-2006, &quot;Nicole Massey&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:nyyki&#64;gypsyheir.com" target="_blank">nyyki&#64;gypsyheir.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; Talk to a hypnotist who has a metaphysical bent, or get really good at
&gt;&gt; meditation.
&gt;
&gt; Have you done either? Did it work for you?
&gt; I have always had preminitions via vivd dreams but backwards doesn't work
&gt; well for me - just flashes.

Yes, it has worked for me. But we should probably take this conversation
offline, as it's grossly off topic here.

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#12: Re: Do SOMETHING Brave today project

Posted on 2006-07-18 22:33:14 by Caffe Mocha

<a href="mailto:tysteel3000&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">tysteel3000&#64;aol.com</a> wrote:

&gt;
&gt; Hi,
&gt;
&gt; I think it takes bravery to speak out against immoral, degenerate
&gt; behavior. In today's age, those who stand up for moral values are
&gt; often villified. It seems that there is more of a risk in standing up
&gt; for what's right as opposed to doing something that is wrong. Those
&gt; who oppose homosexuality are labeled as &quot;homophobes&quot;, &quot;bigots&quot;, &quot;hate
&gt; filled people&quot; and etc. There may be some who fall into this
&gt; category, but I don't and neither do many others who believe the bible
&gt; to be the TRUTH. Those who choose to engage in this abomination, this
&gt; affront to God, are being cast as victims by the atheists and
&gt; secularists brainwashing everyone through the media.
&gt;
&gt; A society that loses all moral compass will be utterly destroyed, and
&gt; rampant homosexuality, and society's acceptance and permissiveness to
&gt; it, is the first sign of a civilization sliding into decay.


&quot;Why do you notice the speck in your neighbor's eye, but ignore the
plank in your own?&quot; -- Jesus

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