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#1: End of a chapter in my music life

Posted on 2005-12-24 07:39:27 by oasysco

The pop-rock band we formed with lofty goals of playing better gigs
with better hours and at a lesser frequency threw in the towel tonight.
It wasn't unexpected. I've been waiting for it to happen for the last 6
months.

We never gigged out except for 2 private parties. Pretty sad, but at
least it wasn't for lack of trying. We just hot too many obstacles with
singers and since none of us could sing, well, we were at their mercy.

============================================================ =

If you would indulge my reminiscing...

In late 2000, I linked up with a guy. I told him I wanted to learn some
jazz and play duo simple stuff in nursing homes and such. By early
2001, we had a full band and were moving towards playing classic rock
in bars.

I put my plans on hold and went along for the ride.

Soon thereafter, we were playing smoky bars. Soon after that, almost
every weekend - ugh.

Three years later, we borke up... a dear mutual friend of two of us had
passed, showing us our own mortality; I had serious back surgery;
another guy got married. It was over.

Two motnhs later, I was back in the saddle with 3 old friends from the
70's to try a new start up which, after lots of ups and downs, morphed
into the pop-rock band that folded tonight.

It was quite a ride going from resuming guitar after a 17+ year hiatus
in 1998 to being in my first real gigging band at age 45.

Now, it's time to put all that behind me and pickup where I left off in
2000. Woodsheding jazz for my own personal fun and maybe playing out at
a nursing home or like venue. I'm not looking for money. Just looking
to become a better player and play the kind of music that doesn't take
3 mintues to figure out and doesn't require an entire band to make it
sound right.

Wish me luck, fellers. I feel like I put my aspirations on hold for 5
years to please others. Now it's time for something different.

Greg

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#2: Re: End of a chapter in my music life

Posted on 2005-12-24 07:57:03 by jurupari

I'm not looking for money. Just looking
to become a better player and play the kind of music that doesn't take
3 mintues to figure out and doesn't require an entire band to make it
sound right.
-----------------------------------------------

hm - you sound like maybe that ##### guy the way you're talking there.

I'm playing now on weekends with a fellow who took his first full time
pro job at about 21 about 30 years ago and got the career call a couple
of weeks later.

He did the right thing and took the career path, family path and so
on, but he's now in the best band he's probably ever been in, and the
energy he puts out is perfect for it - he's reluctant to do it, but
onstage he should be the leader.

For what he knows, his applications are 100% plus. He's mostly a bar
band rocker, but great ears and extreme professionality, like he's been
doing it in his mind if nowhere else for all those hiatus years. Found
his muse.

Whenever you get to it is whenever you get to it. I learned a major
scale on guitar at 25, I think.

Clif

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#3: Re: End of a chapter in my music life

Posted on 2005-12-24 13:57:32 by Keith Freeman

> Wish me luck, fellers.
Consider yourself wished!

> I feel like I put my aspirations on hold for 5
> years to please others.
Bad idea...

-Keith

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e-mail only to keith DOT freeman AT wanadoo DOT nl

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#4: Re: End of a chapter in my music life

Posted on 2005-12-24 14:09:07 by Danielle E

Greg

I hope you still have opportunities to play and socialize. Have you tried
open mikes? I find them to be great for meeting others and socializing.

Here's a link to one (photos) that I often go to.
<a href="http://www.openmikeonline.com/venues/Peaberrys/050000pea/050000pea.shtml" target="_blank"> http://www.openmikeonline.com/venues/Peaberrys/050000pea/050 000pea.shtml</a>

Danielle

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#5: Re: End of a chapter in my music life

Posted on 2005-12-24 15:08:53 by oasysco

&gt;Greg
&gt;
&gt;I hope you still have opportunities to play and socialize. Have you tried
&gt;open mikes? I find them to be great for meeting others and socializing.
&gt;
&gt;Here's a link to one (photos) that I often go to.
&gt;<a href="http://www.openmikeonline.com/venues/Peaberrys/050000pea/050000pea.shtml" target="_blank"> http://www.openmikeonline.com/venues/Peaberrys/050000pea/050 000pea.shtml</a>
&gt;
&gt;Danielle

Danielle,

If I've learned anything over these lst 4 or 5 years is that music is a
social thing, whether that means playing music with other people or
playing music for other people. I don't want to lose that and become a
music hermit like I was pre-2000 (except for an occasional jam).

Open mics are few and far between here, but once I start feeling a
little better about my ability to play jazz, I hope I will look for
those opportunities. For now, I've had my fill over the past years of
of bands and associated false starts, competing agendas, and
ego-centric personalities. I will miss the fellowship of friends,
hoisting a couple at practice, and that group-grope thing (musuically
speaking) that keeps all of us coming back week-after-week for practice
and playing.

Thanks,
Greg

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#6: Re: End of a chapter in my music life

Posted on 2005-12-24 15:26:19 by Rick Ross

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&gt; Greg
&gt;
&gt; I hope you still have opportunities to play and socialize. Have you tried
&gt; open mikes? I find them to be great for meeting others and socializing.
&gt;
&gt; Here's a link to one (photos) that I often go to.
&gt; <a href="http://www.openmikeonline.com/venues/Peaberrys/050000pea/050000pea.shtml" target="_blank"> http://www.openmikeonline.com/venues/Peaberrys/050000pea/050 000pea.shtml</a>
&gt;
&gt; Danielle
&gt;
did that sign up sheet read $3.00 to perform?

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#7: Re: End of a chapter in my music life

Posted on 2005-12-24 15:29:06 by GOD

Like most of us do when it's over.
Start or join another band.
You ain't no quitter!!

Pt

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#8: Re: End of a chapter in my music life

Posted on 2005-12-24 16:05:07 by oasysco

&gt;&gt; Here's a link to one (photos) that I often go to.
&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.openmikeonline.com/venues/Peaberrys/050000pea/050000pea.shtml" target="_blank"> http://www.openmikeonline.com/venues/Peaberrys/050000pea/050 000pea.shtml</a>
&gt;&gt; Danielle

&gt;did that sign up sheet read $3.00 to perform?

Heck Rick, after dinner, drinks, tips, gas and time, I've spent WAY
more than that to play out :)- 3 bucks to play; man, I'd almost be
making money!

Greg

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#9: Re: End of a chapter in my music life

Posted on 2005-12-24 16:08:24 by oasysco

&gt;Start or join another band

I've had offers over the past months... Greg, if your band folds, do
you wanna join us?

Pat, there is no freakin' way I'd start another band. As for joinging
an established band, no. I played music in bands for the comraderie and
friendship more than the music. This was my &quot;last&quot; shot - a band with 3
friends from the 70's. Unless my drumemr friend decides not to tender
his resignation officially, I'm done with it - for now. as for rock-pop
- probably forever, but never say never.

Greg

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#10: Re: End of a chapter in my music life

Posted on 2005-12-24 16:09:40 by oasysco

Danielle,

&gt;Here's a link to one (photos) that I often go to.
&gt;<a href="http://www.openmikeonline.com/venues/Peaberrys/050000pea/050000pea.shtml" target="_blank"> http://www.openmikeonline.com/venues/Peaberrys/050000pea/050 000pea.shtml</a>

What guitar are you using in that pic? It's strange to see anybody
playing a real archtop anymore in venues liek that.

Thanks,
Greg

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#11: Re: End of a chapter in my music life

Posted on 2005-12-24 16:26:22 by LarryV

I wouldn't kiss it bye bye just because of one bad experience. I love
to play jazz, but I have a lot more fun playing in my blues/rock band.
It just feels a lot more exciting to me, makes my adrenaline flow when
the band is smokin'
You just gotta meet the right people.

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#12: Re: End of a chapter in my music life

Posted on 2005-12-24 17:01:15 by oasysco

[I wouldn't kiss it bye bye just because of one bad experience. I love

to play jazz, but I have a lot more fun playing in my blues/rock band.
It just feels a lot more exciting to me, makes my adrenaline flow when
the band is smokin'
You just gotta meet the right people. ]

Larry,

It's not just one bad experience. When I quit my other band - the one
that actually gigged, I made up my mind - no mroe bands. I hated the
smoky bar scene and the late nights, but I loved playing. I could have
been happier had the gigs ended at 11PM instead of 1:30-2AM... getting
home as late as 4:30AM; sleeping on Sundays; missing my family... ugh.
I don't have a musician's lifestyle mindset obviously.

I had major back surgery and it seemed a good time to bow out of that
band, so I did. The band subsequetly folded 2 motnhs later.

Then a friend of mine from long ago with whom I had recently
reconnected, called me to join a new startup. I put my better judgement
aside and joined in to play music with him and another long-time
friend. After may false starts due to ego-centric singers, we finally
found like folks with a like vision to not play smoky bars, but still
play pop-rock type of danceable music.

That was April 2004. Here we are in december 2005, just a few motnhs
shy of what would have been our 2nd anniversary. It's pretty obvious
that we weren't going to make it out to play. Lots of reasons for that,
but mostly singer-related.

Soooo... I'm back to my stand of March 2004 - no more bands for now - I
need a break from all of this stuff. I shoulda taken my break back
then, but didn't.

Now, I can freely pare down my gear - bigger wattage 4x10 tube amp,
maybe my PA (which I only bought so I could host band practice at my
house - that's another story,w hihc I'm glad is over), maybe my P90
archtop. I've got too muhc gear that I won't be using foir the
foreseeable future.

I'm looking forward to getting leaner - gear-wise and focusing more on
playing music I actually listen to!

Greg

Greg

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#13: Re: End of a chapter in my music life

Posted on 2005-12-24 17:07:54 by LarryV

Smoky bars aren't a concern around here anymore since they banned
smoking in the bars in MA and RI. Yeah, the late hours suck, but they
come regardless of the venue for me. Good luck in your pursuits
whatever you choose to do.

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#14: Re: End of a chapter in my music life

Posted on 2005-12-24 17:28:32 by Gerry

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:1135406367.610284.8240&#64;g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com" target="_blank">1135406367.610284.8240&#64;g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com</a>&gt;,
oasysco &lt;<a href="mailto:wilderkommen&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">wilderkommen&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; Wish me luck, fellers. I feel like I put my aspirations on hold for 5
&gt; years to please others. Now it's time for something different.

It's a long road that has no turning....

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#15: Re: End of a chapter in my music life

Posted on 2005-12-24 17:34:27 by Gerry

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:1135436707.761278.165640&#64;z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com" target="_blank">1135436707.761278.165640&#64;z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com</a>&gt;,
oasysco &lt;<a href="mailto:wilderkommen&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">wilderkommen&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; &gt;&gt; Here's a link to one (photos) that I often go to.
&gt; &gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.openmikeonline.com/venues/Peaberrys/050000pea/050000pea.shtml" target="_blank"> http://www.openmikeonline.com/venues/Peaberrys/050000pea/050 000pea.shtml</a>
&gt;
&gt; &gt;did that sign up sheet read $3.00 to perform?
&gt;
&gt; Heck Rick, after dinner, drinks, tips, gas and time, I've spent WAY
&gt; more than that to play out :)- 3 bucks to play; man, I'd almost be
&gt; making money!

From the look of the pictures, it cuts down on the riff-raff.

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#16: Re: End of a chapter in my music life

Posted on 2005-12-24 17:35:25 by Gerry

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:1135436979.971381.6150&#64;f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com" target="_blank">1135436979.971381.6150&#64;f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com</a>&gt;,
oasysco &lt;<a href="mailto:wilderkommen&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">wilderkommen&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; &gt;Here's a link to one (photos) that I often go to.
&gt; &gt;<a href="http://www.openmikeonline.com/venues/Peaberrys/050000pea/050000pea.shtml" target="_blank"> http://www.openmikeonline.com/venues/Peaberrys/050000pea/050 000pea.shtml</a>
&gt;
&gt; What guitar are you using in that pic? It's strange to see anybody
&gt; playing a real archtop anymore in venues liek that.

And what song were you singing, just for curiosity's sake?

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#17: Re: End of a chapter in my music life

Posted on 2005-12-24 19:16:45 by GOD

On 24 Dec 2005 08:01:15 -0800, &quot;oasysco&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:wilderkommen&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">wilderkommen&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt;
wrote:

&gt;[I wouldn't kiss it bye bye just because of one bad experience. I love
&gt;
&gt;to play jazz, but I have a lot more fun playing in my blues/rock band.
&gt;It just feels a lot more exciting to me, makes my adrenaline flow when
&gt;the band is smokin'
&gt;You just gotta meet the right people. ]
&gt;
&gt;Larry,
&gt;
&gt;It's not just one bad experience. When I quit my other band - the one
&gt;that actually gigged, I made up my mind - no mroe bands. I hated the
&gt;smoky bar scene and the late nights, but I loved playing. I could have
&gt;been happier had the gigs ended at 11PM instead of 1:30-2AM... getting
&gt;home as late as 4:30AM; sleeping on Sundays; missing my family... ugh.
&gt;I don't have a musician's lifestyle mindset obviously.
&gt;
&gt;I had major back surgery and it seemed a good time to bow out of that
&gt;band, so I did. The band subsequetly folded 2 motnhs later.
&gt;
&gt;Then a friend of mine from long ago with whom I had recently
&gt;reconnected, called me to join a new startup. I put my better judgement
&gt;aside and joined in to play music with him and another long-time
&gt;friend. After may false starts due to ego-centric singers, we finally
&gt;found like folks with a like vision to not play smoky bars, but still
&gt;play pop-rock type of danceable music.
&gt;
&gt;That was April 2004. Here we are in december 2005, just a few motnhs
&gt;shy of what would have been our 2nd anniversary. It's pretty obvious
&gt;that we weren't going to make it out to play. Lots of reasons for that,
&gt;but mostly singer-related.
&gt;
&gt;Soooo... I'm back to my stand of March 2004 - no more bands for now - I
&gt;need a break from all of this stuff. I shoulda taken my break back
&gt;then, but didn't.
&gt;
&gt;Now, I can freely pare down my gear - bigger wattage 4x10 tube amp,
&gt;maybe my PA (which I only bought so I could host band practice at my
&gt;house - that's another story,w hihc I'm glad is over), maybe my P90
&gt;archtop. I've got too muhc gear that I won't be using foir the
&gt;foreseeable future.
&gt;
&gt;I'm looking forward to getting leaner - gear-wise and focusing more on
&gt;playing music I actually listen to!
&gt;
&gt;Greg
&gt;
&gt;Greg



I think there is more to this than meets the eye.
You know the thrill of playing for an audience.
I can't see you letting that go.
For any reason.

Pt

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#18: Re: End of a chapter in my music life

Posted on 2005-12-24 19:17:33 by GOD

On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 08:28:32 -0800, Gerry &lt;<a href="mailto:address&#64;domain.com.invalid" target="_blank">address&#64;domain.com.invalid</a>&gt;
wrote:

&gt;In article &lt;<a href="mailto:1135406367.610284.8240&#64;g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com" target="_blank">1135406367.610284.8240&#64;g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com</a>&gt;,
&gt;oasysco &lt;<a href="mailto:wilderkommen&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">wilderkommen&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; Wish me luck, fellers. I feel like I put my aspirations on hold for 5
&gt;&gt; years to please others. Now it's time for something different.
&gt;
&gt;It's a long road that has no turning.......

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#19: Re: End of a chapter in my music life

Posted on 2005-12-24 19:25:58 by oasysco

&gt;I think there is more to this than meets the eye.
&gt;You know the thrill of playing for an audience.
&gt;I can't see you letting that go.
&gt;For any reason.

Pat, I like playing for apprciative folks, just not at 1AM in a smoky
bar 100 miles from home :)-

Greg

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#20: Re: End of a chapter in my music life

Posted on 2005-12-24 19:38:35 by Danielle E

Yes it is. The money goes the person who hauls the equipment and sets up
the PA. Hopefully all of the money goes towards better open mike equipment.
He just raised it from $2. I really do not know how many people actually
throw the money in the jar. I know there are some disabled people playing
at these open mikes that are on very tight budgets.

I know there are others that request some kind of donation / sign up fee.
One is at a church and the money goes to the church. Another is at a nature
preserve and the park.

Danielle



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&gt;&gt; Greg
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I hope you still have opportunities to play and socialize. Have you
&gt;&gt; tried open mikes? I find them to be great for meeting others and
&gt;&gt; socializing.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Here's a link to one (photos) that I often go to.
&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.openmikeonline.com/venues/Peaberrys/050000pea/050000pea.shtml" target="_blank"> http://www.openmikeonline.com/venues/Peaberrys/050000pea/050 000pea.shtml</a>
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Danielle
&gt;&gt;
&gt; did that sign up sheet read $3.00 to perform?
&gt;
&gt;

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#21: Re: End of a chapter in my music life

Posted on 2005-12-24 19:49:34 by Danielle E

Greg


That's my Eastman AR805CE (sunburst) in the open mike photo.

It seems to be well accepted at the open mike even though it is primarily an
acoustic venue. The longer I own this guitar the more I appreciate it and
the Kent Armstrong pick up. I find that plugged straight into the PA a lot
of the acoustic characteristics come through.

People really seem to enjoy the sound of this guitar and it's received
plenty of wonderful compliments. People have been amazed by it's tone
regardless of whether it's plugged in or not. The compliments are coming
from folks that for the most part are really into steel string flat top
guitars.


Danielle


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&gt; Danielle,
&gt;
&gt;&gt;Here's a link to one (photos) that I often go to.
&gt;&gt;<a href="http://www.openmikeonline.com/venues/Peaberrys/050000pea/050000pea.shtml" target="_blank"> http://www.openmikeonline.com/venues/Peaberrys/050000pea/050 000pea.shtml</a>
&gt;
&gt; What guitar are you using in that pic? It's strange to see anybody
&gt; playing a real archtop anymore in venues liek that.
&gt;
&gt; Thanks,
&gt; Greg
&gt;

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#22: Re: End of a chapter in my music life

Posted on 2005-12-24 19:54:26 by Danielle E

I found that here in Connecticut there are quite few open mikes, but to
finding them is finding the first one. Once you find one you seem to get
the contacts necessary to find others.

Now I have to ask where you are.

Danielle

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&gt; &gt;Greg
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;I hope you still have opportunities to play and socialize. Have you tried
&gt;&gt;open mikes? I find them to be great for meeting others and socializing.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;Here's a link to one (photos) that I often go to.
&gt;&gt;<a href="http://www.openmikeonline.com/venues/Peaberrys/050000pea/050000pea.shtml" target="_blank"> http://www.openmikeonline.com/venues/Peaberrys/050000pea/050 000pea.shtml</a>
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;Danielle
&gt;
&gt; Danielle,
&gt;
&gt; If I've learned anything over these lst 4 or 5 years is that music is a
&gt; social thing, whether that means playing music with other people or
&gt; playing music for other people. I don't want to lose that and become a
&gt; music hermit like I was pre-2000 (except for an occasional jam).
&gt;
&gt; Open mics are few and far between here, but once I start feeling a
&gt; little better about my ability to play jazz, I hope I will look for
&gt; those opportunities. For now, I've had my fill over the past years of
&gt; of bands and associated false starts, competing agendas, and
&gt; ego-centric personalities. I will miss the fellowship of friends,
&gt; hoisting a couple at practice, and that group-grope thing (musuically
&gt; speaking) that keeps all of us coming back week-after-week for practice
&gt; and playing.
&gt;
&gt; Thanks,
&gt; Greg
&gt;

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#23: Re: End of a chapter in my music life

Posted on 2005-12-24 19:55:32 by Danielle E

Rick

Are you thinking of starting an open mike now just to collect $3.00 per
head? :-)

Danielle


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&gt;&gt; Greg
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I hope you still have opportunities to play and socialize. Have you
&gt;&gt; tried open mikes? I find them to be great for meeting others and
&gt;&gt; socializing.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Here's a link to one (photos) that I often go to.
&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.openmikeonline.com/venues/Peaberrys/050000pea/050000pea.shtml" target="_blank"> http://www.openmikeonline.com/venues/Peaberrys/050000pea/050 000pea.shtml</a>
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Danielle
&gt;&gt;
&gt; did that sign up sheet read $3.00 to perform?
&gt;
&gt;

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#24: Re: End of a chapter in my music life

Posted on 2005-12-24 20:28:06 by Rick Ross

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&gt;
&gt; Rick
&gt;
&gt; Are you thinking of starting an open mike now just to collect $3.00 per
&gt; head? :-)
&gt;
&gt; Danielle
&gt;

i'd have to run a business model on my laptop and pitch it to investors :)

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#25: Re: End of a chapter in my music life

Posted on 2005-12-24 21:26:24 by Winston Castro

On 24 Dec 2005 07:08:24 -0800, &quot;oasysco&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:wilderkommen&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">wilderkommen&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt;
wrote:

&gt;&gt;Start or join another band
&gt;
&gt;I've had offers over the past months... Greg, if your band folds, do
&gt;you wanna join us?
&gt;
&gt;Pat, there is no freakin' way I'd start another band. As for joinging
&gt;an established band, no. I played music in bands for the comraderie and
&gt;friendship more than the music. This was my &quot;last&quot; shot - a band with 3
&gt;friends from the 70's. Unless my drumemr friend decides not to tender
&gt;his resignation officially, I'm done with it - for now. as for rock-pop
&gt;- probably forever, but never say never.
&gt;
&gt;Greg


These days I cannot stand the hassle of being in bands, for
basically all the reasons you mentioned and more. But I still love to
play out once in a while and make a little scratch while I'm at it.

What I have done is this-

I've networked with 2-3 bands and told them when their normal guitar
player can't make it or they think I'm better suited to a particular
job(I might know more old standards or whatever), they give me a call
and I fill in.

I'm happy to play out once or twice a month and that is about what it
works out to. This way, I avoid all the politics and such, I just show
up and they are really appreciative, since I am essentially doing them
a favor.

Also, some musicians I know in my town, will put together bands for
certain jobs. Usually well paying country club gigs, business parties,
the occasional rich folk's wedding, or whatever. I will take some of
these jobs as well.

I've kept my sanity this way...and still get to play out and make some
pocket change in the process....

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#26: Re: End of a chapter in my music life

Posted on 2005-12-25 04:19:17 by mark

Rick Ross wrote:

&gt;
&gt; did that sign up sheet read $3.00 to perform?
&gt;
&gt;

No doubt. How else can the place make any money. Usually open mic nights
like that have nothing mostly, if not all, folkl musicians in
attendance, guzzling down free water or maybe a soda or two on payday.

The local open blues jams, in smokey bars, are hilarious enough - 50
guitar players show up, and maybe 10 of them actually spring for a
single beer. It's amazing the bars make any money on those nights. Which
is why so few of them last more than a few months I guess.

mark

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#27: Re: End of a chapter in my music life

Posted on 2005-12-25 04:23:56 by mark

oasysco wrote:

&gt; Wish me luck, fellers. I feel like I put my aspirations on hold for 5
&gt; years to please others. Now it's time for something different.
&gt;
&gt; Greg
&gt;

LOL

Dude....so you finally had enough of that Brown-Eyed Girl shit eh? : )

mark

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#28: Re: End of a chapter in my music life

Posted on 2005-12-25 05:11:00 by oasysco

&gt;oasysco wrote:
&gt;&gt; Wish me luck, fellers. I feel like I put my aspirations on hold for 5
&gt;&gt; years to please others. Now it's time for something different.
&gt;&gt; Greg

&gt;LOL
&gt;Dude....so you finally had enough of that Brown-Eyed Girl shit eh? : )
&gt;mark

Mark,

I had enough of that music 4 years ago, but you play what the audience
wants to hear and what gets them out of their chairs. It was never the
music for me that kept me playing; it was the camaraderie and
friendship of folks in the band. That's the only reason I did it for as
logn as I did. No regrets as far as friends I made. Think how hard is
to make new friends in your mid-40's. That friendship is a good thing I
take away from this experience.

Greg

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#29: Re: End of a chapter in my music life

Posted on 2005-12-25 06:02:59 by mark

oasysco wrote:

&gt; Mark,
&gt;
&gt; I had enough of that music 4 years ago, but you play what the audience
&gt; wants to hear and what gets them out of their chairs. It was never the
&gt; music for me that kept me playing; it was the camaraderie and
&gt; friendship of folks in the band. That's the only reason I did it for as
&gt; logn as I did. No regrets as far as friends I made. Think how hard is
&gt; to make new friends in your mid-40's. That friendship is a good thing I
&gt; take away from this experience.
&gt;
&gt; Greg
&gt;


Screw that. Only friends I need are my guitar, metronome, fake book, and
Mel Bay.

In that order. : )

With friends like these, no wonder I'm nuts!

mark

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#30: Re: End of a chapter in my music life

Posted on 2005-12-25 16:15:17 by George Prager

I have a network of 10 - 20 musicians that I work with. Most of them know my
book by now. Those who don't are solid readers/improvisers and can fake it
very well. That way, I'm always able to put togther a good band with varying
musical content. As for camaraderie - that worked when I was younger. I'm 52
now and my best friends are my daughters, my wife and one or two
non-musician friends. Sounds cynical...but that's how I feel. The guys (and
gals) I work with are all very nice people but I wouldn't call them
&quot;friends&quot; by any stretch. Also, I don't take my guitar out of the case
unless a) I practice or b) I'm getting paid. On the one hand, I definitely
feel like the fun, young part of me has died (when it comes to music only!!)
but on the other hand, I am at peace about avoiding all the band hassles and
ego battles of the past. Good riddance to that! Also, I never take gigs that
stretch past eleven unless there's a good bonus and I don't leave the house
for less than $75.

G.P.

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#31: Re: End of a chapter in my music life

Posted on 2005-12-25 16:37:45 by chasw

I went with my son John to an open mic on Friday night at the Wired and
Unplugged Coffeehouse in Snohomish WA. As usual, the place was packed. Its
a small town and Wired is the place to be and be seen for young people on
Friday nights. By the time the music started at about 6:30, there were 22
musicians signed up, John was 12th. Most were the usual singer songwriter
types, some very good. Mixed in was an Indian flute player, a blues band
and of course John and his far-out jazz guitar. At the time John played, I
counted approx 60 people (SRO) in the little room set up for performing and
perhaps another 20 in the adjoining room where the food and drinks are
prepared and sold. The proprietors had their hands full keeping up with the
orders. I wouldn't be surprised if Friday open mic nights are their biggest
money makers. We've been to many open mics and never heard of having to
&quot;pay to perform&quot;. Sounds atrocious, downright humiliating. - CW
<a href="http://www.johnwinters.biz/listen.htm" target="_blank">http://www.johnwinters.biz/listen.htm</a>


x&quot;mark&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:mark2741&#64;six_string_theory_dot_com.com" target="_blank">mark2741&#64;six_string_theory_dot_com.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; Rick Ross wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; did that sign up sheet read $3.00 to perform?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt; No doubt. How else can the place make any money. Usually open mic nights
&gt; like that have nothing mostly, if not all, folkl musicians in attendance,
&gt; guzzling down free water or maybe a soda or two on payday.
&gt;
&gt; The local open blues jams, in smokey bars, are hilarious enough - 50
&gt; guitar players show up, and maybe 10 of them actually spring for a single
&gt; beer. It's amazing the bars make any money on those nights. Which is why
&gt; so few of them last more than a few months I guess.
&gt;
&gt; mark
x

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#32: Re: End of a chapter in my music life

Posted on 2005-12-25 17:40:32 by GOD

A serious note on this.
Some people must play music.
It is an important part of their lives.
Others play music as a hobby.
I have found through the years that about 50% of the players I know
are not serious about music.
They play out to get chicks or just to have fun.
If the chicks and fun are not there they stop playing out.
As for me I must play for people.
It's just something I must do.
The older I get the more important it is to me.
It will be a devastating day when I can no longer do it.
Before you decide that it is over think about it.....
Smokey bars, late nights, rowdy crowds and disinterested audiences are
always going to be there.
The price we pay.
Bands come and they go.
I don't even know how many bands I have been in...just a lot.
And every time I played on stage was wonderful.
I made people happy.
They made me happy.
I made great and lasting friendships.
I really can't ask for more.
Personal lives have a tendency to screw up musical lives.
They just don't mix.
Unless your entire life revolves around music and musicians.
I have learned to keep them separate.
Time and place for everything.
So put some serious thought into it.
Do you want to make yourself and others happy with your music?
Or do you want to do the hobby thing?
The only thing we really have to strive for in life is to be happy.
Are you happy with your decision?
Be honest!!

Pt

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#33: Re: End of a chapter in my music life

Posted on 2005-12-25 17:50:53 by Chip L

Sorry it didn't work out, Greg.

I think you can have your cake and eat it too. I've found that a jazz
band is easy to put together and there's not much competition (bar
bands and party/dance bands are everywhere). The players are good,
they know the tunes. Get the gig. Very little practice. Show and go. I
have 2-3 drummers, bass players, sax guys each. When I get the gig, I
call my first call guys. If they can't make it I go down the list.
Usually the music is pretty good. Occasionally, it can be a train wreck
if I have to use a relatively unknown.

The hours are good and so are the venues.

Follow your dream, greg.

Chip L

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#34: Re: End of a chapter in my music life

Posted on 2005-12-25 17:50:58 by Chip L

Sorry it didn't work out, Greg.

I think you can have your cake and eat it too. I've found that a jazz
band is easy to put together and there's not much competition (bar
bands and party/dance bands are everywhere). The players are good,
they know the tunes. Get the gig. Very little practice. Show and go. I
have 2-3 drummers, bass players, sax guys each. When I get the gig, I
call my first call guys. If they can't make it I go down the list.
Usually the music is pretty good. Occasionally, it can be a train wreck
if I have to use a relatively unknown.

The hours are good and so are the venues.

Follow your dream, greg.

Chip L

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#35: Re: End of a chapter in my music life

Posted on 2005-12-25 17:56:57 by Gerry

In article &lt;cIyrf.47$<a href="mailto:l87.6807&#64;news20.bellglobal.com" target="_blank">l87.6807&#64;news20.bellglobal.com</a>&gt;, George Prager
&lt;<a href="mailto:gtrvox&#64;canoenospammail.com" target="_blank">gtrvox&#64;canoenospammail.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; Also, I don't take my guitar out of the case unless a) I practice or
&gt; b) I'm getting paid.

To clarify: you don't get the guitar out to simply play music; for the
joy of it?

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#36: Re: End of a chapter in my music life

Posted on 2005-12-25 18:01:47 by Gerry

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:F4CdnUAOdcdWITPeRVn-rQ&#64;comcast.com" target="_blank">F4CdnUAOdcdWITPeRVn-rQ&#64;comcast.com</a>&gt;, chasw
&lt;<a href="mailto:chasw88&#64;comcast.net" target="_blank">chasw88&#64;comcast.net</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; I wouldn't be surprised if Friday open mic nights are their biggest
&gt; money makers. We've been to many open mics and never heard of having
&gt; to &quot;pay to perform&quot;. Sounds atrocious, downright humiliating.

I've not heard of it either: but I believe they said the money went to
the guy who was bringing in the audio equipment and setting it up. I
assume, open-mics being relatively new as ubiquitous entertainment
approach, the owners of the clubs/restaurants haven't bought their own
PA system and hired a musical director.

They ought to since they're making pretty good money off of it.

One of the reasons, too, that they aren't charging money at most of
these places, is that these kids wouldn't pay it. Most of the evening
at the ones that I've been too, the kids are nursing a cup of coffee
until they (or their pal) plays his/her tune. Then they all leave.

The last few acts, by the way, usually play to an almost empty house,
unlike the first 3 or 4.

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#37: Re: End of a chapter in my music life

Posted on 2005-12-25 18:31:23 by GOD

On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 08:56:57 -0800, Gerry &lt;<a href="mailto:address&#64;domain.com.invalid" target="_blank">address&#64;domain.com.invalid</a>&gt;
wrote:

&gt;In article &lt;cIyrf.47$<a href="mailto:l87.6807&#64;news20.bellglobal.com" target="_blank">l87.6807&#64;news20.bellglobal.com</a>&gt;, George Prager
&gt;&lt;<a href="mailto:gtrvox&#64;canoenospammail.com" target="_blank">gtrvox&#64;canoenospammail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; Also, I don't take my guitar out of the case unless a) I practice or
&gt;&gt; b) I'm getting paid.
&gt;
&gt;To clarify: you don't get the guitar out to simply play music; for the
&gt;joy of it?



I have an acoustic guitar sitting on a stand next to the couch in my
living room.
It gets played several times per day.
Not because I am playing a gig or being paid for it.
But because I love to play.

Pt

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#38: Re: End of a chapter in my music life

Posted on 2005-12-25 18:52:30 by oasysco

&gt;Or do you want to do the hobby thing?
&gt;The only thing we really have to strive for in life is to be happy.
&gt;Are you happy with your decision?
&gt;Be honest!!
&gt;Pt

For me, today was the first day I didn't think about having to learn
this song or that for the band, ride honcho on bandmates to ensure
they'll be at practice, develop another online ad for a singer for the
umpteenth time, or be the thread to tie together everybody's personal
agenda. I sat up in my music studio with my 175, getting back to basics
like running scales as 16th notes, triplets; running chromatics, trying
to develop ore facility for getting where I want on the fretbaord when
I need to be there.

I kow there's nothing to keep me form doing this when playing with a
band, but I only have so much tolerance for playing music. I either
learn tunes, ride honcho, place ads, keep everybody on track, run the
email gamut for band discussion, etc, etc for a band or I can woodshed.
I can't do both - not with the 9-5 I now have. I like to have a little
white space in my personal time - time to do nothing but walk the dog,
go to the club to take a jog or workout, take a nap or whatever.

I'm really looking forward to woodshedding - getting my books out and
setting up some rigor for myself to leanr how to play guitar rather
than just learning tunes as I've done now for so long.

I've already gotten an invite from a bass player firend of mine who
wants to learn some jazz - and he has the playing ability to do that.

The only gothcha is that if my drumemr friend doesn't formally tender
his resgination... If that happens, I'll hang in there for 30 more days
when everybody will agree to do it no more. That way we all part as
friends and possible future bandmates.

Right now, it's time for me to start elarning how to play this 6 string
wonder.


Greg

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#39: Re: End of a chapter in my music life

Posted on 2005-12-25 19:38:22 by Gerry

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:1135533150.915676.94140&#64;g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com" target="_blank">1135533150.915676.94140&#64;g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com</a>&gt;,
oasysco &lt;<a href="mailto:wilderkommen&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">wilderkommen&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; I'm really looking forward to woodshedding - getting my books out and
&gt; setting up some rigor for myself to leanr how to play guitar rather
&gt; than just learning tunes as I've done now for so long.
&gt;
&gt; I've already gotten an invite from a bass player firend of mine who
&gt; wants to learn some jazz - and he has the playing ability to do that.

Sounds like you got a clean slate to start something new. I love an
open road...

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#40: Re: End of a chapter in my music life

Posted on 2005-12-25 20:01:22 by glen

And every time I played on stage was wonderful.

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

you're a lucky man. I've had some truly horrific nights on stage.
Dark sets of the soul......

g

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#41: Re: End of a chapter in my music life

Posted on 2005-12-25 22:14:51 by tombrown

oasysco wrote:
&gt;
&gt; No regrets as far as friends I made. Think how hard is
&gt; to make new friends in your mid-40's. That friendship is a good thing I
&gt; take away from this experience.

I've found that community activism and volunteer work is a great way to
make new friends with interests and values close to your own.

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#42: Re: End of a chapter in my music life

Posted on 2005-12-26 04:15:05 by jurupari

The guys (and
&gt; gals) I work with are all very nice people but I wouldn't call them
&gt; &quot;friends&quot; by any stretch. Also, I don't take my guitar out of the case
&gt; unless a) I practice or b) I'm getting paid. On the one hand, I definitely
&gt; feel like the fun, young part of me has died (when it comes to music only!!)
&gt; but on the other hand, I am at peace about avoiding all the band hassles and
&gt; ego battles of the past. Good riddance to that! Also, I never take gigs that
&gt; stretch past eleven unless there's a good bonus and I don't leave the house
&gt; for less than $75.
&gt;
&gt; G.P.

If everybody could write their own ticket, I doubt it would be much
different from that. I take it out of the case to practice, teach, have
fun or make money, but I doubt we're much different there either. If
you've played for a lifetime and have no more cynicism than that,
you've probably been doing it right.

Clif Kuplen

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