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#1: 7 String?

Posted on 2005-09-23 15:10:11 by tomsalvojazz

I'm curious... I played seven string for a while and then after a while
found it to be an obsticle (for lack of a better term) in the
information path from my brain to the amp. In other words, I could
execute decisions more fluidly on a six string. I could play faster
chord changes on a six string (less to think about).

I had a conversation with Jimmy Bruno about it, and he expressed sort
of the same sentiment, saying that the six string felt more "natural"
to him.

However, I do miss the extended range of the seven string especially
when playing solo, as I like to play a lot of bass lines and I enjoy
the fullness of the register.

I was wondering how many of you play seven string, or, like me, tried
it and went back to six.

Thoughts???

Tom

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#2: Re: 7 String?

Posted on 2005-09-23 15:38:24 by Michael L Kankiewicz

On 23 Sep 2005, tomsalvojazz wrote:

> I'm curious... I played seven string for a while and then after a while
> found it to be an obsticle (for lack of a better term) in the
> information path from my brain to the amp. In other words, I could
> execute decisions more fluidly on a six string. I could play faster
> chord changes on a six string (less to think about).
>
> I had a conversation with Jimmy Bruno about it, and he expressed sort
> of the same sentiment, saying that the six string felt more "natural"
> to him.

My classical teacher once said to me,
"Gee, I have a hard enough time with six."

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#3: Re: 7 String?

Posted on 2005-09-23 16:38:19 by Mike Cea

Tom,

I have heard the rhetoric on both sides of this argument. I switched to 7
string back in 1999 and have not gone back. How one uses the 7th string
obviously depends on the individual player's style and technique. 7 string
is neither better nor worse that 6 string. It's just an option to use or
not. I still play 6 string in the church choir and it's fine.

I agree that the larger the ensemble gets, the less effective the 7th string
is. However, the 7 string is still the guitar with which I gig and I love
it. It's awesome in a guitar duo or with a vocalist. I have also found it
gives the bass player extra leeway to solo in the upper register while I lay
down some bottom end for him/her.

I guess what I'm trying to say is do what feels right for you!


Mike
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&gt; I'm curious... I played seven string for a while and then after a while
&gt; found it to be an obsticle (for lack of a better term) in the
&gt; information path from my brain to the amp. In other words, I could
&gt; execute decisions more fluidly on a six string. I could play faster
&gt; chord changes on a six string (less to think about).
&gt;
&gt; I had a conversation with Jimmy Bruno about it, and he expressed sort
&gt; of the same sentiment, saying that the six string felt more &quot;natural&quot;
&gt; to him.
&gt;
&gt; However, I do miss the extended range of the seven string especially
&gt; when playing solo, as I like to play a lot of bass lines and I enjoy
&gt; the fullness of the register.
&gt;
&gt; I was wondering how many of you play seven string, or, like me, tried
&gt; it and went back to six.
&gt;
&gt; Thoughts???
&gt;
&gt; Tom
&gt;

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#4: Re: 7 String?

Posted on 2005-09-23 17:38:21 by pHintz

I started playing 7-string in 1997. I've &quot;gone back&quot; to 6-string just
enough to resume teaching guitar, 4 years ago. Since I almost always
(98 percent) gig solo, 7 has all the advantages. But it really is a
different instrument, in my experience. Visually, conceptually,
sonically. The longer I play it, the more that seems true to/for me.
-Paul

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#5: Re: 7 String?

Posted on 2005-09-23 19:38:02 by tomsalvojazz

Mike -

Totally agree with you. The last time I played with a bass player, I
was playing the 7. I stepped all over him. However, I like the idea
of being able to keep a good bass line going and freeing him up to solo
in the higher registers.

I haven't played seven string in over a year. I did go to Mandolin
Brothers recently to try some out, and the guys there were pretty
impressed, so maybe it's something to think about again!

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#6: Re: 7 String?

Posted on 2005-09-23 20:01:35 by Sevencome11

Did you happen to play the Moll JP model they have on their website? If
so, what did you think. I've had my eye on that one..if I could free up
4.5K

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#7: Re: 7 String?

Posted on 2005-09-23 20:08:49 by tomsalvojazz

Yes- I played it very briefly. It seemed like a nice piece, although I
was a little thrown off by the black nylon tape wound strings. I
didn't play that particular one long enough to give you any real
feedback, though. They also had a Buscarino Jazzcaster 7, which was
surprisingly nice; a Benedetto Benny 7; and an Eastman 7 string. I
could probably say with some degree of certainty that I liked the Moll
better than the Eastman, but these things are really subjective.

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#8: Re: 7 String?

Posted on 2005-09-23 20:19:41 by Sevencome11

I currently play an Eastman 7 think it's a great value. My previous 7
was an Ibanez AF207 which I sometimes regret parting with to obtain the
Eastman. Mando Bros has also had a Jimmy D 7 string on the site for a
long time at 40K or so...not in this lifetime for me, anyway.

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#9: Re: 7 String?

Posted on 2005-09-23 21:01:39 by jurupari

was wondering how many of you play seven string, or, like me, tried
it and went back to six.

I have a real problem with 7 string, even though it would probably suit
my solo style to be able to play one. I use my thumb on chords and
basslines, and I tend to envision and grip the guitar based on the bass
string.

I'd probably be ok with one tuned like a guitar on the bottom with an
additional string on top and then tuned down, but I haven't tried it.

I have, however in the past played bass pedals and guitar or guitorgan,
but mostly more commercial dance stuff, rock, r&amp;b and country type
stuff.

Recently I picked up a midi interface that will trigger with my old
Krueger bass pedals as soon as I interface the ribbon cable with the
printer type cable on the Krueger unit.

I've not done it yet, but will probably get around to it soon. I'm
wondering if I'll like it enough to make it part of my regular playing.

Clif Kuplen

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#10: Re: 7 String?

Posted on 2005-09-23 21:54:11 by icarusi

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&gt; I was wondering how many of you play seven string, or, like me, tried
&gt; it and went back to six.

I have a 7-string solid electric but haven't found a low 7th string which
sounds good with the other six *and* has the right tension to match the feel
other 6 strings. I use light gauge strings and play various styles of a
fusiony/crossover nature so heavy gauge flatwounds wouldn't work for me.

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#11: Re: 7 String?

Posted on 2005-09-23 22:01:08 by icarusi

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&gt; I'd probably be ok with one tuned like a guitar on the bottom with an
&gt; additional string on top and then tuned down, but I haven't tried it.

If you tune your G string down a half-step you can try that on a
conventionally tuned 6 string (without the low B a 7 string gives you). You
just need to move your conventional chord shapes down a string.

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#12: Re: 7 String?

Posted on 2005-09-23 22:55:04 by tomsalvojazz

I, too, had an Ibanez AF207 that I parted with, regretfully.

Clif, I bet your great style is just the right thing for a 7! When I
first started playing it, I was a total spaz... I kept &quot;orienting&quot;
myself based on the bass side of the neck. therefore, I kept
positioning my hand as though the lowest string was the low E. It
wasn't until I forced myself to orient myself from the high E down that
I was able to play anything. I had to look at the fretboard a
different way, looking directly at the high strings and ignoring the
low strings. At this point I can pretty much go back and forth between
the six string and the seven string without getting too lost. Still,
the 7 is more of a challenge...

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#13: Re: 7 String?

Posted on 2005-09-23 22:55:32 by Mike Cea

Tom,

Follow your heart,man!!! It won't lead you in the wrong direction; despite
the rhetoric that is forthcoming!!!!
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&gt; Mike -
&gt;
&gt; Totally agree with you. The last time I played with a bass player, I
&gt; was playing the 7. I stepped all over him. However, I like the idea
&gt; of being able to keep a good bass line going and freeing him up to solo
&gt; in the higher registers.
&gt;
&gt; I haven't played seven string in over a year. I did go to Mandolin
&gt; Brothers recently to try some out, and the guys there were pretty
&gt; impressed, so maybe it's something to think about again!
&gt;

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#14: Re: 7 String?

Posted on 2005-09-24 08:14:39 by mikeo

hey Tom,
i switched to 7 earlier this year(you gave me good advice then), and
after a few months of disorientation, a little confusion and some hand
pain, i am all set and having a great time with the extra string! I
play duo and solo gigs, so this is really the perfect tool for me. I
also take it to a combo gig here and there and i don't have any problem
at all ignoring the 6th and 7th strings to keep out of the way of the
bassist. I never used to comp with the 6th string anyway when a bassist
was present.

dunno, unless the thrill of hearing those great big low notes ever gets
old, I see myself staying with the 7. In fact, I've been selling off
all my 6 strings and my next 7 string is being built right now. I still
have a magnificent '80's Benedetto 6 that I will consider trading for
an equally magnificent Benedetto 7...anybody switching back?

on the loss of thumb functionality comment, keep in mind you dont
actually lose the use of the thumb, you instead will be able to use the
thumb on the 7th, not the 6th; plenty of new possibilities.

best regards,
mike

PS-i am convinced Jimmy B could make Mick Goodrick's fabled &quot;unitar&quot;
sound terrific. He certainly mastered the 7 and though he is back on
6, he remains a big inspiration to 7 stringers everywhere. Thanks, JB!!

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#15: Re: 7 String?

Posted on 2005-09-24 14:16:13 by tomsalvojazz

Yeah, Mike, cool! I'm glad the seven is working out for you!

I still play a lot of rock and fusion (there are some original rock
instrumentals up on my soundclick page). But I got back into playing
jazz guitar not that long ago because I think it's a little more unique
and challenging, and because I love jazz . I started messing around
with the seven string because it's even more specialized. I didn't
even know there was such a thing until I watched No Nonsense Jazz
Guitar.

I do think that I fall into a different style on the 7 versus 6. I
found that the Joe Pass type of chord melody and being able to play
fast changes was more difficult on the 7 and came more naturally on the
6.

But I sure love the sound of that low note, particularly on bossa nova
things... and I love to play bass lines. In fact, if I were 11 years
old again, I'd probably study bass!

Interesting feedback from you all! Thanks for the discussion.

Tom

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#16: Re: 7 String?

Posted on 2005-09-24 21:16:23 by Ted Vieira

On 9/23/05 6:10 AM, in article
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&lt;<a href="mailto:tomsalvo&#64;optonline.net" target="_blank">tomsalvo&#64;optonline.net</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; I'm curious... I played seven string for a while and then after a while
&gt; found it to be an obsticle (for lack of a better term) in the
&gt; information path from my brain to the amp. In other words, I could
&gt; execute decisions more fluidly on a six string. I could play faster
&gt; chord changes on a six string (less to think about).
&gt;
&gt; I had a conversation with Jimmy Bruno about it, and he expressed sort
&gt; of the same sentiment, saying that the six string felt more &quot;natural&quot;
&gt; to him.
&gt;
&gt; However, I do miss the extended range of the seven string especially
&gt; when playing solo, as I like to play a lot of bass lines and I enjoy
&gt; the fullness of the register.
&gt;
&gt; I was wondering how many of you play seven string, or, like me, tried
&gt; it and went back to six.
&gt;
&gt; Thoughts???
&gt;
&gt; Tom
&gt;

Since I do a lot of solo and duo playing, I would like to try a 7-string
sometime. Hopefully one of these days.


Ted Vieira

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#17: Re: 7 String?

Posted on 2005-09-24 21:50:17 by mikeo

ted,
i had never even seen a 7 string up close and no dealers around here
ever had one, so i took the gamble and bought one(thanks Morey) without
really knowing if i wanted to make the switch.
it really is just a paradigm shift when you think about it; if all
guitars had 7-strings, nobody would know anything different and
certainly not have trouble learning to play it. on the other hand, a 2
or 3 string guitar would probably suit many just fine also. whatever
tool it takes for you to say what you need to say is always the best
solution.

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