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#1: Bill Lawrence L280 strat pickups

Posted on 2005-08-15 12:44:23 by Jack Zucker

Wanted to put in a good word for these pickups. They are the best hum
cancelling pickups I've heard yet. Very natural sounding and very
inexpensive (around $40).

I want to try one of the L290 pickups in the bridge but haven't gotten
around to it.

Jaz

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#2: Re: Bill Lawrence L280 strat pickups

Posted on 2005-08-15 13:13:47 by tsmoy

Thanks for the info I've recently ordered a set of the 280's ,290's for
a new strat type guitar I picked up. the previously installed korean
made Armstrongs were noisy at best with weak output.I'll post something
here when they arrive.
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Jack A. Zucker wrote:
&gt; Wanted to put in a good word for these pickups. They are the best hum
&gt; cancelling pickups I've heard yet. Very natural sounding and very
&gt; inexpensive (around $40).
&gt;
&gt; I want to try one of the L290 pickups in the bridge but haven't gotten
&gt; around to it.
&gt;
&gt; Jaz
&gt;
&gt; --
&gt; Experience a revolutionary way to approach the instrument.
&gt; Introducing Sheets of Sound for Guitar
&gt; &quot;Let the music govern the way you play guitar instead of the guitar
&gt; governing the way you play music!&quot;
&gt;
&gt; Check it out at:
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#3: Re: Bill Lawrence L280 strat pickups

Posted on 2005-08-15 18:11:40 by Joey Goldstein

You like 'em?
I'm undecided as to whether I like the Kinmans (AVN Traditionals) better
than my L280s.
Neither of them really sound as spanky as my fav Strat pup the Duncan SSL-1.
The Kinmans seem to overdrive a bit better. The Lawrences seem to have a
bit more of a Fender vibe with a clean brite sound. Actually, maybe what
I don't like about them is that in overdrive they do have that
spitty-ish kind of Strat sound rather than a smooth saturated sound.

I've heard that the Lace Holy Grail pups are really good.
Supposedly he's got two 3 string sing coil pups in each pickup housing.
the two coils are RW-RP so there's no hum. G&amp;L has used a sim design
recently but the two coils were offset from each other so they sounded a
little odd.

A Canadian guy, Don Evans, had a line of pups of sim design in the late
80's. The Evans pups sounded good but he had them encased in plastic so
the pole pieces were not exposed which made them significantly darker
sounded than a real sing coil pup.

Have you tried or heard the Holy Grails yet Jack?

&quot;Jack A. Zucker&quot; wrote:
&gt;
&gt; Wanted to put in a good word for these pickups. They are the best hum
&gt; cancelling pickups I've heard yet. Very natural sounding and very
&gt; inexpensive (around $40).
&gt;
&gt; I want to try one of the L290 pickups in the bridge but haven't gotten
&gt; around to it.
&gt;
&gt; Jaz
&gt;
&gt; --
&gt; Experience a revolutionary way to approach the instrument.
&gt; Introducing Sheets of Sound for Guitar
&gt; &quot;Let the music govern the way you play guitar instead of the guitar
&gt; governing the way you play music!&quot;
&gt;
&gt; Check it out at:
&gt; <a href="http://www.sheetsofsound.net" target="_blank">http://www.sheetsofsound.net</a>

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#4: Re: Bill Lawrence L280 strat pickups

Posted on 2005-08-15 19:32:48 by Jack Zucker

I have not tried the holy grails. The design sounds promising. I don't
know if you remember the early PRS EG guitars. They used a Lindy Fralin
pickup that was similar in design to the Z pickups that G&amp;L is now
using except that Lindy mounted the coils in a rectangular case that
was about the size of a P90. You could see the offset coil magnets
though.

I have tried Dimarzio virtual vintage and the new Fender SCN pickups
and I think the L280s sound better. The Fenders perhaps had more of a
nice quack for funk rhythm but the extra brightness made them sound
raspy if you were going for a smooth overdrive.

I would agree with you that the L280s have sort of a spittyish
overdrive sound though I currently don't have a good overdrive amp to
use them through. I'm using a Digitech Bad Monkey for overdrive which
is nice but a little grainy sounding so that may be what I'm hearing.

I seem to remember the Dimarzio SSL-1 pickups as being too bright but
there are probably too many variables to say conclusively.

One thing that's nice is that the L280s are hotter than standard strat
pickups and they seem to sing really nicely when the amp is slightly
overdriven.

Jaz

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#5: Re: Bill Lawrence L280 strat pickups

Posted on 2005-08-15 19:56:46 by Joey Goldstein

Jack Zucker wrote:
&gt;
&gt; I have not tried the holy grails.

There's a guy here, who I mostly trust, who raves about them.
He's got them in a Strat with a Demeter mid boost circuit. Claims it's
the &quot;ultimate&quot;.

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#6: Re: Bill Lawrence L280 strat pickups

Posted on 2005-08-15 20:26:00 by Jack Zucker

Joey Goldstein wrote:
&gt; Jack Zucker wrote:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; I have not tried the holy grails.
&gt;
&gt; There's a guy here, who I mostly trust, who raves about them.
&gt; He's got them in a Strat with a Demeter mid boost circuit. Claims it's
&gt; the &quot;ultimate&quot;.

Interesting. I never liked the lace sensors that he designed for
Fender.

At this point, I guess I have no reason to change other than perhaps
buying a L-290 to see if it improves the overdrive tone on the bridge.
I have the height on mine adjusted really low which supposedly helps
retain more of the vintage vibe. Apparently, the magnetic pull is very
low so you can raise them up really high without the typical
out-of-tuneness from standard pickups. I may try raising the bridge
pickup to see if it gets more girth.

I'm getting very acceptable twangy tones. The neck pickup by itself
gets that nice Jimi neck sound and I can get the SRV Lenny tone as
well. My only complaint is (as you mention) they are not very smooth
and creamy if you're going for a typical fusiony tone.

Have you ever tried the P-90ish humbucker size pickup they make that
has diagonal pole pieces? I'm kind of bored with the traditional
humbucking tone...

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#7: Re: Bill Lawrence L280 strat pickups

Posted on 2005-08-15 20:29:34 by Joey Goldstein

Jack Zucker wrote:
&gt;
&gt; Joey Goldstein wrote:
&gt; &gt; Jack Zucker wrote:
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; I have not tried the holy grails.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; There's a guy here, who I mostly trust, who raves about them.
&gt; &gt; He's got them in a Strat with a Demeter mid boost circuit. Claims it's
&gt; &gt; the &quot;ultimate&quot;.
&gt;
&gt; Interesting. I never liked the lace sensors that he designed for
&gt; Fender.

Me neither.

&gt; At this point, I guess I have no reason to change other than perhaps
&gt; buying a L-290 to see if it improves the overdrive tone on the bridge.
&gt; I have the height on mine adjusted really low which supposedly helps
&gt; retain more of the vintage vibe. Apparently, the magnetic pull is very
&gt; low so you can raise them up really high without the typical
&gt; out-of-tuneness from standard pickups. I may try raising the bridge
&gt; pickup to see if it gets more girth.
&gt;
&gt; I'm getting very acceptable twangy tones. The neck pickup by itself
&gt; gets that nice Jimi neck sound and I can get the SRV Lenny tone as
&gt; well. My only complaint is (as you mention) they are not very smooth
&gt; and creamy if you're going for a typical fusiony tone.
&gt;
&gt; Have you ever tried the P-90ish humbucker size pickup they make that
&gt; has diagonal pole pieces? I'm kind of bored with the traditional
&gt; humbucking tone...

Nope. I'm pretty staid in my likes and dislikes. I like vintage Strat
type sounding pups and PAF type sounding pups and that's about it.

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#8: Re: Bill Lawrence L280 strat pickups

Posted on 2005-08-16 01:25:43 by unknown

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#9: Re: Bill Lawrence L280 strat pickups

Posted on 2005-08-16 02:10:21 by Jack Zucker

thanks for the feedback Jim. Do they get the Jimi/SRV tone too? The Fender
SCN pickups (designed by Lawrence) sounded great for funk but were too
bright for a smooth distorted tone.

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&gt; On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 14:29:34 -0400, Joey Goldstein
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:nospam&#64;nowhere.net" target="_blank">nospam&#64;nowhere.net</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; I have not tried the holy grails.
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; There's a guy here, who I mostly trust, who raves about them.
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; He's got them in a Strat with a Demeter mid boost circuit. Claims it's
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; the &quot;ultimate&quot;.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Interesting. I never liked the lace sensors that he designed for
&gt;&gt;&gt; Fender.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;Me neither.
&gt;
&gt; I've been gigging with the holy grails for the past two months. They
&gt; sound nothing like the original lace sensors, in other words they
&gt; sound great. Previous to the HGs, I played Rio Grandes for a couple
&gt; of years and they favored a slightly overwound darker sound. I was
&gt; never complety happy with them. The HGs are low output and authentic
&gt; Fender sounding for the funk stuff I'm playing. They are way
&gt; inexpensive too compared to other pickups on the market.
&gt;
&gt; jim

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#10: Re: Bill Lawrence L280 strat pickups

Posted on 2005-08-16 02:41:48 by unknown

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#11: Re: Bill Lawrence L280 strat pickups

Posted on 2005-08-16 05:54:04 by Morey Richman

&quot;Joey Goldstein&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:nospam&#64;nowhere.net" target="_blank">nospam&#64;nowhere.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; You like 'em?
&gt; I'm undecided as to whether I like the Kinmans (AVN Traditionals) better
&gt; than my L280s.
&gt; Neither of them really sound as spanky as my fav Strat pup the Duncan
&gt; SSL-1.
&gt; The Kinmans seem to overdrive a bit better. The Lawrences seem to have a
&gt; bit more of a Fender vibe with a clean brite sound. Actually, maybe what
&gt; I don't like about them is that in overdrive they do have that
&gt; spitty-ish kind of Strat sound rather than a smooth saturated sound.
&gt;
&gt; I've heard that the Lace Holy Grail pups are really good.
&gt; Supposedly he's got two 3 string sing coil pups in each pickup housing.
&gt; the two coils are RW-RP so there's no hum. G&amp;L has used a sim design
&gt; recently but the two coils were offset from each other so they sounded a
&gt; little odd.
&gt;
&gt; A Canadian guy, Don Evans, had a line of pups of sim design in the late
&gt; 80's. The Evans pups sounded good but he had them encased in plastic so
&gt; the pole pieces were not exposed which made them significantly darker
&gt; sounded than a real sing coil pup.
&gt;
&gt; Have you tried or heard the Holy Grails yet Jack?
&gt;

That Canadian guy was Rod Evans, and I also really liked his noiseless
single coil pickups - I agree that they were a touch darker than exposed
pole piece designs but they sounded great - of course, this was at a time
when EVERY studio player had a set of the relatively mids heavy and darkish
EMG-SAs in their strats so the Evans din't have the same competition as
today's noiseless designs - the only thing I didn't like about them was that
there was no &quot;fade-out&quot; when bending strings, which is part of the whole
strat mojo IMO, along with the spank.

My favorite noiseless pickups are either the Kinmans or the Dimarzio Virtual
2.2s but my favorite *noisy* spanky strat pickup is John Suhr's V60 LPs.
Incidently, Suhr has developed a noise cancelling system for single coils
that really works - right now they're only available in his guitars but it's
so good it's worth buying one just to get it - I don't know what he does but
there is some sort of small extra body route involved, and currently are
only available on pickguard equipped guitars. It keeps all the single coil
mojo, spank and vibe, with NO HUM. It's incredible - and there's no change
to the pickups at all, no RW or extra side coil.

You'd have to assume that one day there will be some after market adaptation
available for license - there's way too much money to be made on a patent
for a system like this for him to keep it exclusively for his guitars.

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#12: Re: Bill Lawrence L280 strat pickups

Posted on 2005-08-16 12:47:42 by Jack Zucker

That sounds like a dummy coil Morey. Ernie Ball and several other guitars
have used that system.

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&gt; My favorite noiseless pickups are either the Kinmans or the Dimarzio
&gt; Virtual 2.2s but my favorite *noisy* spanky strat pickup is John Suhr's
&gt; V60 LPs. Incidently, Suhr has developed a noise cancelling system for
&gt; single coils that really works - right now they're only available in his
&gt; guitars but it's so good it's worth buying one just to get it - I don't
&gt; know what he does but there is some sort of small extra body route
&gt; involved, and currently are only available on pickguard equipped guitars.
&gt; It keeps all the single coil mojo, spank and vibe, with NO HUM. It's
&gt; incredible - and there's no change to the pickups at all, no RW or extra
&gt; side coil.
&gt;
&gt; You'd have to assume that one day there will be some after market
&gt; adaptation available for license - there's way too much money to be made
&gt; on a patent for a system like this for him to keep it exclusively for his
&gt; guitars.
&gt;

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#13: Re: Bill Lawrence L280 strat pickups

Posted on 2005-08-16 17:27:56 by Morey Richman

&quot;Jack A. Zucker&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:jaz&#64;jackzucker.com" target="_blank">jaz&#64;jackzucker.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; That sounds like a dummy coil Morey. Ernie Ball and several other guitars
&gt; have used that system.
&gt;

I think it's a bit more involved than a dummy coil, Jack. I don't think John
would be so secretive about the whole thing if it was as simple as that - in
any case, Suhr's new noise cancelling single coil strats sound way better
than any dummy coil system guitar I've ever tried - I know that Landau and
Henderson are recent converts - if you ever have the opportunity to try one,
do so - they are far and away the best I've heard, they don't change the
sound and character of single coil pickups at all, unlike stacked, dummy
coil or even RW/RP designs in combined positions.

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