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#1: Roland Jazz Chorus - difference between models?

Posted on 2005-06-14 15:08:41 by carljoensson

Hi,
I'm asking this question here not so much because I play jazz but I'm
hoping that this amp-series could be wellknown around here.

I'm thinking of buying a Roland Jazz Chorus amp to get good clean
sound and some interesting effects. A lot of people speak highly of
the chorus but I'm also interested in what the vibrato can do. Is it
crap or cool?

Today, I have found ads where I live for both a Jazz Chorus 60 and a
Jazz Chorus 77. I think the 60 is a 1x12 while the 77 is a 2x10. I'm
not sure if the 77 actually has vibrato, though.

Both amps could be had quite cheap. I plan to try one of them out, but
which one to start with.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Carl

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#2: Re: Roland Jazz Chorus - difference between models?

Posted on 2005-06-14 16:17:45 by windcrest

The JC120 is a killer amp and a staple item in 50 percent of every
college / high school band room in the country, because they are also
very dependable. It is a great amp for big band use as well as solo
acts, but it is heavy. You generally dont buy it for its distortion or
vibrato, the distortion is not so good, I never used its vibrato much
but it seems ok when set shallow.

You do buy it for its chorus, its clean sound, and its dependability,
and its versatility (not a one trick pony). The clean sound is a
warmer clean, very nice. The chorus is excellent and implemented as a
true phase shift across a stereo amp "mixed in the air", not so
electronic sounding like a chorus pedal, more like an acoustical
instrument. (BTW this amp also works better than any acoustic amp out
there for acoustic guitar IMO, and the clean channel works as a
keyboard amp, so you get some versatility there if you play acoustic
and electric). With acoustic guitar and a little chorus you actually
get some bass whch is lacking on most acoustic amps.

The clean channel also takes pedal effects very well and that is where
you may want to look at an outboard vibrato if you need one. Then a/b
between the clean and chorus channels or run into both channels at
once.

I had one of these 10 years ago and sold it when I broke my wrist at
that time. I am playing again anow nd will one day buy another. I was
inroduced to it playing in the jazz big band in college, where theirs
literally got kicked, rained on, dropped, and ridden down sidewalks
like a moving dolly. It never failed.

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#3: Re: Roland Jazz Chorus - difference between models?

Posted on 2005-06-14 16:37:47 by Mark.C.Guest

The JC120 is a decent, but heavy amp. The chorus is excellent. Not sure
how to evaluate vibrato, but it works fine. The down side to the Roland
amps is their trademark hiss. I also had a JC77 for a while. I enjoyed
the fact that it was so much lighter than the 120, but it was nowhere
near as nice-sounding. It was voiced darker, IIRC. I've never tried
the JC60, but the Roland advantage is the stereo chorus effect that
they get from two speakers. I'll bet the one speaker model is not as
impressive as the 120. You might find a good price on a used JC120, as
they are heavy, and some of us old guys get tired of carrying that
heavy stuff around. If they put a Toyota drivetrain into a JC120, I'd
be interested...

Mark Guest
Jazz at MarkGuest dot net
www.soundclick.com/bands/3/markguestjazztriomusic.htm

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#4: Re: Roland Jazz Chorus - difference between models?

Posted on 2005-06-14 17:23:06 by dhnoda

"I've never tried the JC60, but the Roland advantage is the stereo
chorus effect that they get from two speakers. I'll bet the one speaker
model is not as impressive as the 120."

I have played through a JC60 and my experience was exactly as you
surmised. The stereo chorus is one of the main features of the JC and
the single speaker negates it.

Regarding the weight issue, you might consider the JC-90. I've used a
JC-90 quite a lot in the past and found it to be a good compromise -
sounded nice but wasn't nearly as difficult to transport. I used to
use it in a 10 piece big band and found that it cut through the mix
nicely.

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#5: Re: Roland Jazz Chorus - difference between models?

Posted on 2005-06-14 17:40:03 by phil

I owned a JC-120 from 1984-1988 and a JC-77 from around 1988-1990. No
question the JC-120 sounded better in every way. The 77 was almost
like a toy in comparison. Sold the JC-120 due to its massive-ness.

The vibrato was not that great, it had kind of a "seasick" effect. But
then I rarely used it. Not nearly as useful as a Fender-style tremolo.

My one criticism was that the amp lent a slightly boxey, electronic
tone to everything. But it sounded great for a dark, clean, modern
jazz sound.

-Phil

Carl Joensson wrote:
> Hi,
> I'm asking this question here not so much because I play jazz but I'm
> hoping that this amp-series could be wellknown around here.
>
> I'm thinking of buying a Roland Jazz Chorus amp to get good clean
> sound and some interesting effects. A lot of people speak highly of
> the chorus but I'm also interested in what the vibrato can do. Is it
> crap or cool?
>
> Today, I have found ads where I live for both a Jazz Chorus 60 and a
> Jazz Chorus 77. I think the 60 is a 1x12 while the 77 is a 2x10. I'm
> not sure if the 77 actually has vibrato, though.
>
> Both amps could be had quite cheap. I plan to try one of them out, but
> which one to start with.
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated!
>
> Carl

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#6: Re: Roland Jazz Chorus - difference between models?

Posted on 2005-06-14 19:57:39 by Adam Fulara

Hi!

I own JC 120 amp since 2003 (I bought new one). It has beautiful clean
fat tone. I think that vibrato is usefull too, but I don't use it.
Overdrive is useless in that amp.

I would think rather about JC 120, it is big, but jazz-like tone is much
better that in smaller amps.

Notice that it should have 60W x 2 channels, but JC 120 has in fact only
2x43 W (so 86 W RMS, not 120). Over 43 W/channel sinus is clipped by
power amps (both) - it's checked at Wroclaw University of Technology, so
I'm sure of that.

So if I thought about smaller version I'm not sure about it's tone.

regards
Adam
<a href="http://adam.fulara.com/" target="_blank">http://adam.fulara.com/</a>

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#7: Re: Roland Jazz Chorus - difference between models?

Posted on 2005-06-14 20:10:06 by carljoensson

Hi Rick and Mark,
Thanks for your input. I can't wait to try them out now. I've tried to
do some more research during the day and to me it seems like the
effects must have changed on different Jazz Chorus models.

Where it once was a three-way-switch for vib/off/chorus it later
became manual/off/chorus. Instead of having vibrato using speed and
depth, it instead became possible to adjust the chorus with rate and
depth.

Am I correct in this assumption? I haven't seen the change
specifically stated anywhere. This is all detective work trying to
make 1+1=2 when reading user reviews on Harmony-central.

And another thing. The JC-60 seems to be more a less a JC-120 divided
in two. But what happens to the stereo-chorus when there's only one
amp driving one speaker. The JC-120 as I have understood consists of
two amps driving two speakers, when doing stereo chorus one speaker
pumps out the wet signal while the other remain dry.

All input most welcome!
Thanks again,

Carl


&quot;Mark Guest&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:Mark.C.Guest&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">Mark.C.Guest&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message news:&lt;<a href="mailto:1118759867.848932.205460&#64;f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com" target="_blank">1118759867.848932.205460&#64;f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com</a>&gt;...
&gt; The JC120 is a decent, but heavy amp. The chorus is excellent. Not sure
&gt; how to evaluate vibrato, but it works fine. The down side to the Roland
&gt; amps is their trademark hiss. I also had a JC77 for a while. I enjoyed
&gt; the fact that it was so much lighter than the 120, but it was nowhere
&gt; near as nice-sounding. It was voiced darker, IIRC. I've never tried
&gt; the JC60, but the Roland advantage is the stereo chorus effect that
&gt; they get from two speakers. I'll bet the one speaker model is not as
&gt; impressive as the 120. You might find a good price on a used JC120, as
&gt; they are heavy, and some of us old guys get tired of carrying that
&gt; heavy stuff around. If they put a Toyota drivetrain into a JC120, I'd
&gt; be interested...
&gt;
&gt; Mark Guest
&gt; Jazz at MarkGuest dot net
&gt; www.soundclick.com/bands/3/markguestjazztriomusic.htm

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#8: Re: Roland Jazz Chorus - difference between models?

Posted on 2005-06-14 20:55:41 by Mark.C.Guest

Hi Carl,

All the JC120's that I've seen have been identically appointed...down
to the hiss, but I'm no collector or expert. As far as a single speaker
model goes, you'll have to trust your ears. I'd stick with stereo
chorus if I was in the market. Nice thing about used JC120's is that
you'll probably get your money out of the amp if you sell. It won't pay
for physical therapy, massage, or chiropractic, though. Something to
keep in mind.

Good luck!

Mark Guest
Jazz at MarkGuest dot net
www.soundclick.com/bands/3/markguestjazztriomusic.htm

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#9: Re: Roland Jazz Chorus - difference between models?

Posted on 2005-06-16 20:53:04 by carljoensson

Hi everybody again,

Thanks again for all input. The amp was cheap and in good shape so I
bought it. It's indeed very loud, extremely clean - (I took the
longest cord I had, turned the volume up max and walked away to the
other side of the room almost scared to touch the strings -still
clean).

The chorus is indeed very impressive. The JC-77 model hasn't got the
vibrato effect, instead there's a threeway switch from
manual/off/fixed. The fixed got to be the same preset used on the
other models. In manual mode by turning up the depth and rate-controls
to max I do get some kind of weird vibrato - the soundtrack of
seasickness. Don't know if that's the same thing as the vibrato on the
JC-120, but it sure doesn't sound useable.

I'm actually in general not much of a fan of the chorus effect, it's
still a bit too much the eighties for me. But being able to adjust it
just might make it useful for me. Maybe I'm too optimistic, but by
keeping the depth control to a minimum I get a discrete vibrato going,
and keeping both controls at minimum gives the guitar a bit of shimmer
without most (?) people being able to really spot it as chorus.

Whether or not this amp is a longtime keeper for me, I don't know yet.
Sometimes love grows. I still plan to get a Fender Twin Reverb later
on. But for now I think this amp will be excellent for me while
learning to use the effectpedals I've just ordered.

If I sell it, I'll ask for more money than I bought it for. With the
80's retrotrend growing stronger around here I actually think these
will get valuable. Well, maybe not so valuable.

Thanks again,

Carl

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#10: Re: Roland Jazz Chorus - difference between models?

Posted on 2005-06-16 22:43:40 by Paul Sanwald

how much was it carl? I used one of these for years, they're absolute
tanks and impossible to break. in retrospect it was a hell of a thing
to lug around, but it was my first real gigging amp so I didn't know
any different :).

--paul

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#11: Re: Roland Jazz Chorus - difference between models?

Posted on 2005-06-16 23:10:56 by Greger Hoel

On 16 Jun 2005 11:53:04 -0700, <a href="mailto:carljoensson&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">carljoensson&#64;hotmail.com</a> (Carl
Joensson) wrote:

&gt;I'm actually in general not much of a fan of the chorus effect, it's
&gt;still a bit too much the eighties for me.

Check out ZZ Top's 1979 effort, Degüello, if you wanna hear some
righteous chorus with no eighties vibe whatsoever.

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#12: Re: Roland Jazz Chorus - difference between models?

Posted on 2005-06-17 08:24:09 by carljoensson

&quot;paul&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:pcsanwald&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">pcsanwald&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message news:&lt;<a href="mailto:1118954620.697134.192120&#64;g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com" target="_blank">1118954620.697134.192120&#64;g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com</a>&gt;...
&gt; how much was it carl? I used one of these for years, they're absolute
&gt; tanks and impossible to break. in retrospect it was a hell of a thing
&gt; to lug around, but it was my first real gigging amp so I didn't know
&gt; any different :).
&gt;
&gt; --paul

Hi Paul,
Well, that's a hard question to answer since the price I paid was in
Swedish krona and not in dollars. I paid 2500 SEK, which should be 320
dollars, but in general prices in America are only 70 percent so that
makes it about 225 $.

A better way to estimate the price would be to say that it cost me
around 25-33 percent of what I expect to pay for a silverfaced Fender
Twin reverb.

I'm a happy buyer - and the amp has casters!

/Carl

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#13: Re: Roland Jazz Chorus - difference between models?

Posted on 2005-06-17 08:26:31 by carljoensson

Greger Hoel &lt;<a href="mailto:gregerh&#64;spammersgetbent.net" target="_blank">gregerh&#64;spammersgetbent.net</a>&gt; wrote in message news:&lt;<a href="mailto:9iq3b1lkn6i7bub2vc9a3b81t2fg66s6cq&#64;4ax.com" target="_blank">9iq3b1lkn6i7bub2vc9a3b81t2fg66s6cq&#64;4ax.com</a>&gt;...
&gt; On 16 Jun 2005 11:53:04 -0700, <a href="mailto:carljoensson&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">carljoensson&#64;hotmail.com</a> (Carl
&gt; Joensson) wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt;I'm actually in general not much of a fan of the chorus effect, it's
&gt; &gt;still a bit too much the eighties for me.
&gt;
&gt; Check out ZZ Top's 1979 effort, Degüello, if you wanna hear some
&gt; righteous chorus with no eighties vibe whatsoever.

Thanks,
I'll try to remember that if I ever run across that album.

Cheers,

Carl

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#14: Re: Roland Jazz Chorus - difference between models?

Posted on 2005-06-17 10:04:12 by Dan Johnson

Over here in the UK we've got the JC-90 which is the perfect
comprimise, 2X40w amps into 2 speakers. i was curious about this so I
got one into my shop and although I haven't had time to properly check
it out, when I did try it briefly it sounded great and not as heavy as
the 120.
It seems to have pretty much identical controls apart from it doesn't
have vib only chorus.

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