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#1: Playing a solo jazz gig

Posted on 2005-01-27 05:43:29 by goddardv

I'm sure this has been discussed already, so if there's a FAQ of some sort,
please direct me.

Hello,

I would like to develop a solo repertiore in hopes to be hired by restaurants
or parties. About how many songs would I need to learn to have enough material
to get through one of these gigs? Any other tips or suggestions?

John

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#2: Re: Playing a solo jazz gig

Posted on 2005-01-27 06:01:30 by jurupari

About how many songs would I need to learn to have enough material
to get through one of these gigs?

You can sort of calculate it by the type of the gig and how long you
can stretch a song. I try to keep them under six minutes, so about 8
or 10 songs will go a set. For four sets, forty to fifty songs will
work, but there will come times when you want to play songs faster and
not add choruses, so having a few to a few dozen extras couldn't hurt.

Also there's style - do you want more ballads, more relaxed swing, some
more aggressive, even frenetic stuff?

It'll depend on where you get hired, of course but that will be more
tunes to learn. A restaurant may not want a bunch of burning bebop or
edgy modern stuff, or butt shaking funk or bombastic blues but a club
may not want 'lullabyes' so being diverse can demand more songs than
you might use in just one place.

Personally, I like to play the same tunes I like do do with groups so
I've always tried to practice toward that end.

The type of stuff you get solo is pretty varied. Some places you're
literally a potted plant, and others you'll get lots of attention. One
thing you won't get is a ration from the drummer if you call Body and
Soul! ( that's a quote from Joe Pass when I heard him live once. :o)

It's a lot of fun and you get to keep all the bread.
Stay out of Denver.

Clif

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#3: Re: Playing a solo jazz gig

Posted on 2005-01-27 06:03:46 by Joe Finn

&quot;GoddardV&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:goddardv&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">goddardv&#64;aol.com</a>&gt; wrote
&gt; I would like to develop a solo repertiore in hopes to be hired by
&gt; restaurants
&gt; or parties. About how many songs would I need to learn to have enough
&gt; material
&gt; to get through one of these gigs? Any other tips or suggestions?
&gt;
&gt; John


I play solo gigs regularly. My list for solo guitar has about 100 titles on
it but you wouldn't play that many tunes on a gig. I just like to have the
titles written down because it's more than I can remember. You might go
through as many as twenty songs in a hour though.

My solo stuff is all done from memory and I never use any charts.

The broader question here has to do with repertoire development. Most of my
solo list consists of tunes I've been playing for many years. Repertoire
development is the work of a lifetime so I like to continue to add new tunes
to the list. I usually learn a couple new ones every month. It's a good idea
not to stand pat in this regard.

You should begin with some straightforward stuff like Green Dolphin Street,
Night and Day or other well known standards. As you learn new numbers you
will be establishing a personal method of digesting and memorizing the new
material. This differs from one person to the next. Once this process is in
place things will go more quickly for you. ...joe
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#4: Re: Playing a solo jazz gig

Posted on 2005-01-27 16:26:03 by rickfrossyouknowwhattodo

&quot;GoddardV&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:goddardv&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">goddardv&#64;aol.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; I'm sure this has been discussed already, so if there's a FAQ of some
&gt; sort,
&gt; please direct me.
&gt;
&gt; Hello,
&gt;
&gt; I would like to develop a solo repertiore in hopes to be hired by
&gt; restaurants
&gt; or parties. About how many songs would I need to learn to have enough
&gt; material
&gt; to get through one of these gigs? Any other tips or suggestions?
&gt;
&gt; John

I play solo gigs..most of the time with bass and drum tracks to play along
with..interspersed with the occasional unaccompanied masterpiece..I posted a
portion of my list
on the recent &quot;standards&quot; thread..but you'll really need at least 75 tunes
under your fingers to survive..especially if you're playing unaccompanied
(sans tracks)..if you're new and have limited improvisational toolkit the
tunes really zoom by at mach II and you'll find yourself repeating
tunes..not that it is the worst thing in world..if somebody would notice
just tell 'em you normally charge extra to repeat songs but you'll make an
&quot;exception today you dumb yuppie wine sipping benz driving moron who fails
to realize that I have spent years learning this material only to have you
stand one foot in front of me and spew your pathetic unactualized verbal
diarrhea into my ear &quot;..I'm OK..I'm OK..
if you're just starting with this know that few people listen attentively
and you're basically a lviing part of the decor from which music
emerges..also, and this is the reason I went with tracks, it is very hard
work and the time can go by very slowly and it will kill your hands if
you're not conditioned..on the up side..you don't have to pray for the other
players to show up on time..and there are few better chopbuilders than solo
guitar gigs..an art form unto itself for sure..

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#5: Re: Playing a solo jazz gig

Posted on 2005-01-27 16:53:57 by guitarsark

sounds great rick. I'm doing the same thing. got a bunch of repertoire,
jazz and fingerstyle blues, some chet atkins stuff, still looking for
places to play though. In boston.
karen
Rick Ross wrote:
&gt; &quot;GoddardV&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:goddardv&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">goddardv&#64;aol.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt; news:<a href="mailto:20050126234329.11729.00000322&#64;mb-m03.aol.com..." target="_blank">20050126234329.11729.00000322&#64;mb-m03.aol.com...</a>
&gt; &gt; I'm sure this has been discussed already, so if there's a FAQ of
some
&gt; &gt; sort,
&gt; &gt; please direct me.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Hello,
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; I would like to develop a solo repertiore in hopes to be hired by
&gt; &gt; restaurants
&gt; &gt; or parties. About how many songs would I need to learn to have
enough
&gt; &gt; material
&gt; &gt; to get through one of these gigs? Any other tips or suggestions?
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; John
&gt;
&gt; I play solo gigs..most of the time with bass and drum tracks to play
along
&gt; with..interspersed with the occasional unaccompanied masterpiece..I
posted a
&gt; portion of my list
&gt; on the recent &quot;standards&quot; thread..but you'll really need at least 75
tunes
&gt; under your fingers to survive..especially if you're playing
unaccompanied
&gt; (sans tracks)..if you're new and have limited improvisational toolkit
the
&gt; tunes really zoom by at mach II and you'll find yourself repeating
&gt; tunes..not that it is the worst thing in world..if somebody would
notice
&gt; just tell 'em you normally charge extra to repeat songs but you'll
make an
&gt; &quot;exception today you dumb yuppie wine sipping benz driving moron who
fails
&gt; to realize that I have spent years learning this material only to
have you
&gt; stand one foot in front of me and spew your pathetic unactualized
verbal
&gt; diarrhea into my ear &quot;..I'm OK..I'm OK..
&gt; if you're just starting with this know that few people listen
attentively
&gt; and you're basically a lviing part of the decor from which music
&gt; emerges..also, and this is the reason I went with tracks, it is very
hard
&gt; work and the time can go by very slowly and it will kill your hands
if
&gt; you're not conditioned..on the up side..you don't have to pray for
the other
&gt; players to show up on time..and there are few better chopbuilders
than solo
&gt; guitar gigs..an art form unto itself for sure..

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#6: Re: Playing a solo jazz gig

Posted on 2005-01-27 16:57:30 by rickfrossyouknowwhattodo

&lt;<a href="mailto:guitarsark&#64;earthlink.net" target="_blank">guitarsark&#64;earthlink.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; sounds great rick. I'm doing the same thing. got a bunch of repertoire,
&gt; jazz and fingerstyle blues, some chet atkins stuff, still looking for
&gt; places to play though. In boston.
&gt; karen
as the weather warms up the opportunites for solo expand..defrinitely leave
a demo with banquest managers
and don't stop calling them ...if $$$$ is not critical there are a zillion
restaurants..and there is always the proverbial strretcorner...

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#7: Re: Playing a solo jazz gig

Posted on 2005-01-27 16:58:23 by Mark Kleinhaut

&gt;Rick Ross Jan 27, 7:26 am
&gt;&quot;exception today you dumb yuppie wine sipping &gt;benz driving moron who
fails
&gt;to realize that I have spent years learning this &gt;material only to
have you
&gt;stand one foot in front of me and spew your &gt;pathetic unactualized
verbal
&gt;diarrhea into my ear&quot;

Easy there, I drive a Benz and even sip wine on occasion- yep, it's
yuppiedom! Ok, I'm gonna go actualize some verbal diarrhea now:))
www.markkleinhaut.com

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#8: Re: Playing a solo jazz gig

Posted on 2005-01-27 17:11:32 by o-a-s-y-s-c-o

&quot;Mark Kleinhaut&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:markkleinhaut&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">markkleinhaut&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in
news:<a href="mailto:1106841503.516665.38020&#64;z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com" target="_blank">1106841503.516665.38020&#64;z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com</a>:

&gt;&gt;Rick Ross Jan 27, 7:26 am
&gt;&gt;&quot;exception today you dumb yuppie wine sipping &gt;benz driving moron who
&gt; fails
&gt;&gt;to realize that I have spent years learning this &gt;material only to
&gt; have you
&gt;&gt;stand one foot in front of me and spew your &gt;pathetic unactualized
&gt; verbal
&gt;&gt;diarrhea into my ear&quot;
&gt;
&gt; Easy there, I drive a Benz and even sip wine on occasion- yep, it's
&gt; yuppiedom! Ok, I'm gonna go actualize some verbal diarrhea now:))
&gt; www.markkleinhaut.com

Geezsch, the heat I took here for my conservative views, yet I drive a 90's
Ford Escort, drink a cold Bud now and then, dine out at Mickey D's, and
play cheap Korean guitars (when I'm not playing my better US made ones :)-

Greg

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#9: Re: Playing a solo jazz gig

Posted on 2005-01-27 17:15:14 by Paul Sanwald

&gt; dine out at Mickey D's

have you seen &quot;supersize me&quot;?

--paul

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#10: Re: Playing a solo jazz gig

Posted on 2005-01-27 17:31:44 by Joe Finn

&quot;Rick Ross&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:rickfrossyouknowwhattodo&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">rickfrossyouknowwhattodo&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote

&lt;snip-o-roonie&gt;


&gt; you dumb yuppie wine sipping benz driving moron who fails
&gt; to realize that I have spent years learning this material only to have you
&gt; stand one foot in front of me and spew your pathetic unactualized verbal
&gt; diarrhea into my ear &quot;..I'm OK..I'm OK..



Rotflmao!!!!!!!! 8-)

You gotta love those damned yuppies. There's nothin' like 'em.

Which is a good thing!! ......joe


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#11: Re: Playing a solo jazz gig

Posted on 2005-01-27 17:43:45 by rickfrossyouknowwhattodo

&quot;Mark Kleinhaut&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:markkleinhaut&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">markkleinhaut&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; &gt;Rick Ross Jan 27, 7:26 am
&gt;&gt;&quot;exception today you dumb yuppie wine sipping &gt;benz driving moron who
&gt; fails
&gt;&gt;to realize that I have spent years learning this &gt;material only to
&gt; have you
&gt;&gt;stand one foot in front of me and spew your &gt;pathetic unactualized
&gt; verbal
&gt;&gt;diarrhea into my ear&quot;
&gt;
&gt; Easy there, I drive a Benz and even sip wine on occasion- yep, it's
&gt; yuppiedom! Ok, I'm gonna go actualize some verbal diarrhea now:))
&gt; www.markkleinhaut.com
&gt;
I didn't mean you mr. k..as a guitarist you are exempt from my flailing
assualts :)
but somehow I think you get my meaning:)

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#12: Re: Playing a solo jazz gig

Posted on 2005-01-27 18:06:30 by rickfrossyouknowwhattodo

&quot;Joe Finn&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:Joe&#64;JoeFinn.net" target="_blank">Joe&#64;JoeFinn.net</a>&gt; wrote in message news:41f9184b$<a href="mailto:1_2&#64;127.0.0.1..." target="_blank">1_2&#64;127.0.0.1...</a>
&gt; &quot;Rick Ross&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:rickfrossyouknowwhattodo&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">rickfrossyouknowwhattodo&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote
&gt;
&gt; &lt;snip-o-roonie&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt; you dumb yuppie wine sipping benz driving moron who fails
&gt;&gt; to realize that I have spent years learning this material only to have
&gt;&gt; you
&gt;&gt; stand one foot in front of me and spew your pathetic unactualized verbal
&gt;&gt; diarrhea into my ear &quot;..I'm OK..I'm OK..
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Rotflmao!!!!!!!! 8-)
&gt;
&gt; You gotta love those damned yuppies. There's nothin' like 'em.
&gt;
&gt; Which is a good thing!! ......joe
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; --
&gt; Visit me on the web www.joefinn.net

Especially when the gig is over and I'm loaded like a pack horse..guitar on
my back, amp and stool in one hand and bag with my mini PA and tracking
stuff in the other..I am a one trip pony and this is at least 75 lbs of toys
pulling my shoulders out of my sockets..so I ask at varying volume
levels..&quot;excuse me&quot;..several different times..to make small path between the
pre-alcoholics and tables
piled high with salmonellic cheese cubes so I can make my way to the car..of
course only until I bump a fat, over the hill estro ass with the corner of
my amp do I get any response..and, with the white wine sloshing in their
eloquently stemmed glasses the herd shifts to one side with unintended
orchestration and I kiss my fawning audiences goodbye..ugh!


&gt;

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#13: Re: Playing a solo jazz gig

Posted on 2005-01-27 18:37:30 by o-a-s-y-s-c-o

&quot;paul&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:pcsanwald&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">pcsanwald&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in news:1106842514.552533.114780
@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:

&gt;&gt; dine out at Mickey D's
&gt;
&gt; have you seen &quot;supersize me&quot;?

Saw it last night. I won't be eating at Mickey D's as much now.

Greg

&gt;
&gt; --paul
&gt;
&gt;

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#14: Re: Playing a solo jazz gig

Posted on 2005-01-27 18:47:29 by Tom Walls

In article &lt;qc9Kd.16312$<a href="mailto:5R.1887&#64;newssvr21.news.prodigy.com" target="_blank">5R.1887&#64;newssvr21.news.prodigy.com</a>&gt;,
<a href="mailto:rickfrossyouknowwhattodo&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">rickfrossyouknowwhattodo&#64;hotmail.com</a> says...
&gt; the gig is over and I'm loaded like a pack horse..guitar on
&gt; my back, amp and stool in one hand and bag with my mini PA and tracking
&gt; stuff in the other..I am a one trip pony and this is at least 75 lbs of toys
&gt; pulling my shoulders out of my sockets..so I ask at varying volume
&gt; levels..&quot;excuse me&quot;..several different times..to make small path between the
&gt; pre-alcoholics and tables
&gt; piled high with salmonellic cheese cubes so I can make my way to the car..of
&gt; course only until I bump a fat, over the hill estro ass with the corner of
&gt; my amp do I get any response..and, with the white wine sloshing in their
&gt; eloquently stemmed glasses the herd shifts to one side with unintended
&gt; orchestration and I kiss my fawning audiences goodbye..ugh!
&gt;
&gt;

That's show biz!
--
Tom Walls
the guy at the Temple of Zeus

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#15: Re: Playing a solo jazz gig

Posted on 2005-01-27 19:14:42 by thom_j

&quot;Rick Ross&quot; wrote:
&gt; and I kiss my fawning audiences goodbye..ugh!
and they don't even say: &quot;TahTah&quot;..? curiously tee..

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#16: Re: Playing a solo jazz gig

Posted on 2005-01-27 19:38:49 by Greger Hoel

On 27 Jan 2005 07:58:23 -0800, &quot;Mark Kleinhaut&quot;
&lt;<a href="mailto:markkleinhaut&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">markkleinhaut&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;&gt;Rick Ross Jan 27, 7:26 am
&gt;&gt;&quot;exception today you dumb yuppie wine sipping &gt;benz driving moron who
&gt;fails
&gt;&gt;to realize that I have spent years learning this &gt;material only to
&gt;have you
&gt;&gt;stand one foot in front of me and spew your &gt;pathetic unactualized
&gt;verbal
&gt;&gt;diarrhea into my ear&quot;
&gt;
&gt;Easy there, I drive a Benz and even sip wine on occasion- yep, it's
&gt;yuppiedom!

But the German whisky was a one time only thing?
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#17: Re: Playing a solo jazz gig

Posted on 2005-01-27 19:40:56 by rickfrossyouknowwhattodo

&quot;Tom Walls&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:tw25&#64;cornell.edu" target="_blank">tw25&#64;cornell.edu</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:ctb9fh$6ft$<a href="mailto:2&#64;news01.cit.cornell.edu..." target="_blank">2&#64;news01.cit.cornell.edu...</a>
&gt; In article &lt;qc9Kd.16312$<a href="mailto:5R.1887&#64;newssvr21.news.prodigy.com" target="_blank">5R.1887&#64;newssvr21.news.prodigy.com</a>&gt;,
&gt; <a href="mailto:rickfrossyouknowwhattodo&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">rickfrossyouknowwhattodo&#64;hotmail.com</a> says...
&gt;&gt; the gig is over and I'm loaded like a pack horse..guitar on
&gt;&gt; my back, amp and stool in one hand and bag with my mini PA and tracking
&gt;&gt; stuff in the other..I am a one trip pony and this is at least 75 lbs of
&gt;&gt; toys
&gt;&gt; pulling my shoulders out of my sockets..so I ask at varying volume
&gt;&gt; levels..&quot;excuse me&quot;..several different times..to make small path between
&gt;&gt; the
&gt;&gt; pre-alcoholics and tables
&gt;&gt; piled high with salmonellic cheese cubes so I can make my way to the
&gt;&gt; car..of
&gt;&gt; course only until I bump a fat, over the hill estro ass with the corner
&gt;&gt; of
&gt;&gt; my amp do I get any response..and, with the white wine sloshing in their
&gt;&gt; eloquently stemmed glasses the herd shifts to one side with unintended
&gt;&gt; orchestration and I kiss my fawning audiences goodbye..ugh!
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt; That's show biz!
&gt; --
&gt; Tom Walls
&gt; the guy at the Temple of Zeus

and I've heard there's no business like it

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#18: Re: Playing a solo jazz gig

Posted on 2005-01-28 02:35:12 by goddardv

thanks but this isn't really helpful. i'm a seasoned player, i know none of us
get the respect we feel we're owed. i'm just trying to figure out how many
tunes it takes to get to the upper-crust party invites.

john

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#19: Re: Playing a solo jazz gig

Posted on 2005-01-28 04:24:21 by rickfrossyouknowwhattodo

&quot;GoddardV&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:goddardv&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">goddardv&#64;aol.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; thanks but this isn't really helpful. i'm a seasoned player, i know none
&gt; of us
&gt; get the respect we feel we're owed. i'm just trying to figure out how many
&gt; tunes it takes to get to the upper-crust party invites.
&gt;
&gt; john

from my first post in this thread...
&quot;....but you'll really need at least 75 tunes
under your fingers to survive..especially if you're playing unaccompanied
....&quot;
good luck with your gigs

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#20: Re: Playing a solo jazz gig

Posted on 2005-01-28 04:44:19 by Joe Finn

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&gt;
&gt; &quot;Joe Finn&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:Joe&#64;JoeFinn.net" target="_blank">Joe&#64;JoeFinn.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;&gt; &quot;Rick Ross&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:rickfrossyouknowwhattodo&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">rickfrossyouknowwhattodo&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &lt;snip-o-roonie&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; you dumb yuppie wine sipping benz driving moron who fails
&gt;&gt;&gt; to realize that I have spent years learning this material only to have
&gt;&gt;&gt; you
&gt;&gt;&gt; stand one foot in front of me and spew your pathetic unactualized verbal
&gt;&gt;&gt; diarrhea into my ear &quot;..I'm OK..I'm OK..
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Rotflmao!!!!!!!! 8-)
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; You gotta love those damned yuppies. There's nothin' like 'em.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Which is a good thing!! ......joe
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; --
&gt;&gt; Visit me on the web www.joefinn.net
&gt;
&gt; Especially when the gig is over and I'm loaded like a pack horse..guitar
&gt; on my back, amp and stool in one hand and bag with my mini PA and tracking
&gt; stuff in the other..I am a one trip pony and this is at least 75 lbs of
&gt; toys pulling my shoulders out of my sockets..so I ask at varying volume
&gt; levels..&quot;excuse me&quot;..several different times..to make small path between
&gt; the pre-alcoholics and tables
&gt; piled high with salmonellic cheese cubes so I can make my way to the
&gt; car..of course only until I bump a fat, over the hill estro ass with the
&gt; corner of my amp do I get any response..and, with the white wine sloshing
&gt; in their eloquently stemmed glasses the herd shifts to one side with
&gt; unintended orchestration and I kiss my fawning audiences goodbye..ugh!
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt;




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#21: Re: Playing a solo jazz gig

Posted on 2005-01-28 05:12:37 by Joe Finn

&quot;Rick Ross&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:rickfrossyouknowwhattodo&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">rickfrossyouknowwhattodo&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote &gt;
&gt; Especially when the gig is over and I'm loaded like a pack horse..guitar
&gt; on my back, amp and stool in one hand and bag with my mini PA and tracking
&gt; stuff in the other..I am a one trip pony and this is at least 75 lbs of
&gt; toys pulling my shoulders out of my sockets..so I ask at varying volume
&gt; levels..&quot;excuse me&quot;..several different times..to make small path between
&gt; the pre-alcoholics and tables
&gt; piled high with salmonellic cheese cubes so I can make my way to the
&gt; car..of course only until I bump a fat, over the hill estro ass with the
&gt; corner of my amp do I get any response..and, with the white wine sloshing
&gt; in their eloquently stemmed glasses the herd shifts to one side with
&gt; unintended orchestration and I kiss my fawning audiences goodbye..ugh!

Ah, life she's-a good, no? 8-)

I hear you, Rick. Nobody who did not have the intimate firsthand knowledge
of having done the solo gig thing a hundred times over could have written
what you just wrote. All of us who actually labor in that there particular
vineyard can and do sympathize. We've been there and we know all too well
the terrain in which you found yourself deployed.

But there is also honor and dignity in the work you are doing. Your labors
are worthy and you should be proud of your efforts. Being able to appreciate
the fundamental absurdity of what's really going on in a restaurant where
music is also being presented is a key insight. The endeavor of performing
music is somehow a transcendent pursuit, though. It's always a good idea to
remember that each and every gig; no matter how grand; no matter how humble,
is yet another opportunity to make something beautiful happen.

Hang tough, man. I'm pullin' for you. ......joe

P.S. I myself am just home from playing a solo gig. It wasn't too bad really
except for the fact that it's below zero outside this evening. I worry about
the guitar a little when it's cold outside. The music went well and was well
received; another day at the office or a day in the life of a fool; can't
decide.

--
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#22: Re: Playing a solo jazz gig

Posted on 2005-01-28 05:38:28 by Gerry

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:20050127203512.12674.00000173&#64;mb-m24.aol.com" target="_blank">20050127203512.12674.00000173&#64;mb-m24.aol.com</a>&gt;, GoddardV
&lt;<a href="mailto:goddardv&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">goddardv&#64;aol.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; thanks but this isn't really helpful. i'm a seasoned player, i know
&gt; none of us get the respect we feel we're owed. i'm just trying to
&gt; figure out how many tunes it takes to get to the upper-crust party
&gt; invites.

I don't think upper-crusty party circuit considers song-count as a
significant consideration. Would you?

Rick figures 75 tunes is enough to survive. Sounds more than
acceptable. You do somewhere between 20 per hour (3 minutes each with
little scant pauses), or maybe 15 per hour (4 minutes each with scant
pauses). So a 3 hour gig with a couple of fifteen minute breaks and
you're looking at from 37 to 50 tunes, a four hour gig would mean close
to 45 to 60. Certainly 75 will cover it with some variety.

So that's the body count.

Regarding &quot;upper crust&quot; though, it depends on which upper-crust you're
pursuing. If it's wealthy oafs in their backyard that want something
light and &quot;energetic&quot;, that's one set of tunes. If they want
Bossa/Latin/light classical, sitting in the corner of their dining room
that's another. If they want significant jazz stuff in the living
room, that's yet another. All of it sounds like fun. Good luck.

--
The secret of managing is to keep the guys who hate you away from the guys who
are undecided.
-- Casey Stengel

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#23: Re: Playing a solo jazz gig

Posted on 2005-01-28 06:10:09 by goddardv

Wow. 75 tunes is an impressive number. How many of you have put in the work to
be able to pull that off? Do you memorize arrangements or do you have the
skills to open the real book up to a lead sheet and &quot;improvise&quot; an arrangement?
I've been working through the Galbraith arrangements someone graciously posted
to the newsgroup a year or two ago, but with my spare practice time have only
learned about ten of them... It's daunting to think about being able to play an
additional 65 at performance level.

Maybe I should form a rock-blues band for hire instead.

John

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#24: Re: Playing a solo jazz gig

Posted on 2005-01-28 13:48:55 by rickfrossyouknowwhattodo

&quot;GoddardV&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:goddardv&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">goddardv&#64;aol.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:<a href="mailto:20050128001009.13629.00000248&#64;mb-m23.aol.com..." target="_blank">20050128001009.13629.00000248&#64;mb-m23.aol.com...</a>
&gt; Wow. 75 tunes is an impressive number. How many of you have put in the
&gt; work to
&gt; be able to pull that off? Do you memorize arrangements or do you have the
&gt; skills to open the real book up to a lead sheet and &quot;improvise&quot; an
&gt; arrangement?
&gt; I've been working through the Galbraith arrangements someone graciously
&gt; posted
&gt; to the newsgroup a year or two ago, but with my spare practice time have
&gt; only
&gt; learned about ten of them... It's daunting to think about being able to
&gt; play an
&gt; additional 65 at performance level.
&gt;
&gt; Maybe I should form a rock-blues band for hire instead.
&gt;
&gt; John

it's not as daunting as you think because each tune shortens the curve for
the next one..you need to develop a mehtod for harmonizing them simply on
your own
and not worry about polywholistic-pre-sub-morphic-contrapuntal lines with
lydian antecedents..just capture the basic tune for starters..melody,
logical bass and some chordal color..the Galbraith book and others like it
are great toools for ideas but you're essentially memorizing his
approach..you may lift some of his conceptual tools but you really need to
be able to open up the real book and put together arrnagements on your
own...it's kinda like the &quot;giive the fish he eats for a day thing vs. teach
him to fish and he eats for life&quot;..
on the rock blues thing..there will come a day when you will be too old for
rock-blues at the local level..too gray and wrinkled and tired to be wanking
a strat till 2am
and shlepping a 65lb super reverb with pedals and accesories out to the
parking lot..oh and the rehearsals..ugh! you're on the right track with jazz
guitar..it's not daunting ..it's uplifting because you are developing
musical tools that will keeping your engine running for the rest of your
lease...

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#25: Re: Playing a solo jazz gig

Posted on 2005-01-28 13:54:23 by rickfrossyouknowwhattodo

&quot;Joe Finn&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:Joe&#64;JoeFinn.net" target="_blank">Joe&#64;JoeFinn.net</a>&gt; wrote in message news:41f9bc92$<a href="mailto:1_1&#64;127.0.0.1..." target="_blank">1_1&#64;127.0.0.1...</a>
&gt; &quot;Rick Ross&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:rickfrossyouknowwhattodo&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">rickfrossyouknowwhattodo&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote &gt;
&gt;&gt; Especially when the gig is over and I'm loaded like a pack horse..guitar
&gt;&gt; on my back, amp and stool in one hand and bag with my mini PA and
&gt;&gt; tracking stuff in the other..I am a one trip pony and this is at least 75
&gt;&gt; lbs of toys pulling my shoulders out of my sockets..so I ask at varying
&gt;&gt; volume levels..&quot;excuse me&quot;..several different times..to make small path
&gt;&gt; between the pre-alcoholics and tables
&gt;&gt; piled high with salmonellic cheese cubes so I can make my way to the
&gt;&gt; car..of course only until I bump a fat, over the hill estro ass with the
&gt;&gt; corner of my amp do I get any response..and, with the white wine sloshing
&gt;&gt; in their eloquently stemmed glasses the herd shifts to one side with
&gt;&gt; unintended orchestration and I kiss my fawning audiences goodbye..ugh!
&gt;
&gt; Ah, life she's-a good, no? 8-)
&gt;
&gt; I hear you, Rick. Nobody who did not have the intimate firsthand knowledge
&gt; of having done the solo gig thing a hundred times over could have written
&gt; what you just wrote. All of us who actually labor in that there particular
&gt; vineyard can and do sympathize. We've been there and we know all too well
&gt; the terrain in which you found yourself deployed.
&gt;
&gt; But there is also honor and dignity in the work you are doing. Your labors
&gt; are worthy and you should be proud of your efforts. Being able to
&gt; appreciate the fundamental absurdity of what's really going on in a
&gt; restaurant where music is also being presented is a key insight. The
&gt; endeavor of performing music is somehow a transcendent pursuit, though.
&gt; It's always a good idea to remember that each and every gig; no matter how
&gt; grand; no matter how humble, is yet another opportunity to make something
&gt; beautiful happen.
&gt;
&gt; Hang tough, man. I'm pullin' for you. ......joe
&gt;
&gt; P.S. I myself am just home from playing a solo gig. It wasn't too bad
&gt; really except for the fact that it's below zero outside this evening. I
&gt; worry about the guitar a little when it's cold outside. The music went
&gt; well and was well received; another day at the office or a day in the life
&gt; of a fool; can't decide.
&gt;
&gt; --
&gt; Visit me on the web www.joefinn.net
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
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thanks joe..
i've out the gun away for now:)
and you're correct of course..there is much redemption in playing
music..especially on guitar..I'm just old and a tad cynical and don't wanna
be responsible for a tangential &quot;under-appreciated msuicians in our society
thread&quot;..
peace and play on..

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#26: Re: Playing a solo jazz gig

Posted on 2005-01-28 14:24:54 by o-a-s-y-s-c-o

Gerry &lt;<a href="mailto:address&#64;domain.com.invalid" target="_blank">address&#64;domain.com.invalid</a>&gt; wrote in news:270120052038285607%
<a href="mailto:address&#64;domain.com.invalid" target="_blank">address&#64;domain.com.invalid</a>:

&gt; In article &lt;<a href="mailto:20050127203512.12674.00000173&#64;mb-m24.aol.com" target="_blank">20050127203512.12674.00000173&#64;mb-m24.aol.com</a>&gt;, GoddardV
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:goddardv&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">goddardv&#64;aol.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; thanks but this isn't really helpful. i'm a seasoned player, i know
&gt;&gt; none of us get the respect we feel we're owed. i'm just trying to
&gt;&gt; figure out how many tunes it takes to get to the upper-crust party
&gt;&gt; invites.
&gt;
&gt; I don't think upper-crusty party circuit considers song-count as a
&gt; significant consideration. Would you?
&gt;
&gt; Rick figures 75 tunes is enough to survive. Sounds more than
&gt; acceptable. You do somewhere between 20 per hour (3 minutes each with
&gt; little scant pauses), or maybe 15 per hour (4 minutes each with scant
&gt; pauses). So a 3 hour gig with a couple of fifteen minute breaks and
&gt; you're looking at from 37 to 50 tunes, a four hour gig would mean
close
&gt; to 45 to 60. Certainly 75 will cover it with some variety.
&gt;
&gt; So that's the body count.
&gt;
&gt; Regarding &quot;upper crust&quot; though, it depends on which upper-crust you're
&gt; pursuing. If it's

&gt; wealthy oafs

Gerry, you do know that oaf is defined as &quot;A person regarded as stupid
or clumsy&quot;, right? Are *all* wealthy people stupid and clumsy or just
some of them? Plus, isn't it those &quot;wealthy oafs&quot; who pay the bills for
many folks here on RRMGJ?

I get the same feeling when I hear radio announcers say, &quot;Gotta take a
break to pay the bills&quot;, when it's those very advertisers who make it
possible for the radio announcer to blabber on.

It filters all the way down to 7-11's whose many employees seem to have
a hard time saying thank-you to customers.

I say appreciate the customer; love the customer. They're people just
like us. And while a recent post talked about knocking into yuppie wine
drinkers and gigs where audiences don't appreciate jazz as an art form,
they pay the bills and make it possible for folks to ply their craft and
have a life of their own.

I can't look down on somebody who is paying me to do something just
because they're paying me to do something, though other factors can
change my mind.

Greg


&gt; in their backyard that want something
&gt; light and &quot;energetic&quot;, that's one set of tunes. If they want
&gt; Bossa/Latin/light classical, sitting in the corner of their dining
room
&gt; that's another. If they want significant jazz stuff in the living
&gt; room, that's yet another. All of it sounds like fun. Good luck.

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#27: Re: Playing a solo jazz gig

Posted on 2005-01-28 14:31:17 by o-a-s-y-s-c-o

&quot;Rick Ross&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:rickfrossyouknowwhattodo&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">rickfrossyouknowwhattodo&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in
news:3CqKd.17432$<a href="mailto:wZ2.15610&#64;newssvr13.news.prodigy.com" target="_blank">wZ2.15610&#64;newssvr13.news.prodigy.com</a>:

&gt;
&gt; &quot;Joe Finn&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:Joe&#64;JoeFinn.net" target="_blank">Joe&#64;JoeFinn.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt; news:41f9bc92$<a href="mailto:1_1&#64;127.0.0.1..." target="_blank">1_1&#64;127.0.0.1...</a>
&gt;&gt; &quot;Rick Ross&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:rickfrossyouknowwhattodo&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">rickfrossyouknowwhattodo&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote &gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Especially when the gig is over and I'm loaded like a pack
&gt;&gt;&gt; horse..guitar on my back, amp and stool in one hand and bag with my
&gt;&gt;&gt; mini PA and tracking stuff in the other..I am a one trip pony and
&gt;&gt;&gt; this is at least 75 lbs of toys pulling my shoulders out of my
&gt;&gt;&gt; sockets..so I ask at varying volume levels..&quot;excuse me&quot;..several
&gt;&gt;&gt; different times..to make small path between the pre-alcoholics and
&gt;&gt;&gt; tables piled high with salmonellic cheese cubes so I can make my way
&gt;&gt;&gt; to the car..of course only until I bump a fat, over the hill estro
&gt;&gt;&gt; ass with the corner of my amp do I get any response..and, with the
&gt;&gt;&gt; white wine sloshing in their eloquently stemmed glasses the herd
&gt;&gt;&gt; shifts to one side with unintended orchestration and I kiss my
&gt;&gt;&gt; fawning audiences goodbye..ugh!
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Ah, life she's-a good, no? 8-)
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I hear you, Rick. Nobody who did not have the intimate firsthand
&gt;&gt; knowledge of having done the solo gig thing a hundred times over
&gt;&gt; could have written what you just wrote. All of us who actually labor
&gt;&gt; in that there particular vineyard can and do sympathize. We've been
&gt;&gt; there and we know all too well the terrain in which you found
&gt;&gt; yourself deployed.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; But there is also honor and dignity in the work you are doing. Your
&gt;&gt; labors are worthy and you should be proud of your efforts. Being able
&gt;&gt; to appreciate the fundamental absurdity of what's really going on in
&gt;&gt; a restaurant where music is also being presented is a key insight.
&gt;&gt; The endeavor of performing music is somehow a transcendent pursuit,
&gt;&gt; though. It's always a good idea to remember that each and every gig;
&gt;&gt; no matter how grand; no matter how humble, is yet another opportunity
&gt;&gt; to make something beautiful happen.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Hang tough, man. I'm pullin' for you. ......joe
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; P.S. I myself am just home from playing a solo gig. It wasn't too bad
&gt;&gt; really except for the fact that it's below zero outside this evening.
&gt;&gt; I worry about the guitar a little when it's cold outside. The music
&gt;&gt; went well and was well received; another day at the office or a day
&gt;&gt; in the life of a fool; can't decide.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; --
&gt;&gt; Visit me on the web www.joefinn.net
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
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&gt;
&gt; thanks joe..
&gt; i've out the gun away for now:)
&gt; and you're correct of course..there is much redemption in playing
&gt; music..especially on guitar..I'm just old and a tad cynical and don't
&gt; wanna be responsible for a tangential &quot;under-appreciated msuicians in
&gt; our society thread&quot;..
&gt; peace and play on..

Rick, ever thought about writing? You'd do well with a column titled,
&quot;The Under-appreciated Musician&quot; for a music mag or e-mag, writing in a
humorous, yet truthful manner. For example, your rambling description of
the yuppie wine drinkers had me rolling; I could actually feel the
sensation of pushing through an unappreciative crowd, who had no idea of
who I was and could have cared less. That's the everyday stuff - written
with humor as you did - that I don't see enough of.

Greg

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#28: Re: Playing a solo jazz gig

Posted on 2005-01-28 15:43:26 by Gerry

In article &lt;XwqKd.17431$<a href="mailto:wZ2.1802&#64;newssvr13.news.prodigy.com" target="_blank">wZ2.1802&#64;newssvr13.news.prodigy.com</a>&gt;, Rick Ross
&lt;<a href="mailto:rickfrossyouknowwhattodo&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">rickfrossyouknowwhattodo&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; the Galbraith book and others like it are great toools for ideas but
&gt; you're essentially memorizing his approach..

Exactly right. Another book to write: it would be nice to have a
full-blown approach how one harmonizes a line in a jazz vein moving
along the top couple of strings. Once that's done you can pretty much
harmonize what you like. Every tune will have a tricky part or two
where you have to play the line, then grab a shard of chord for
reference, or vice-versa. Or an arpeggitated section or something.

&gt; you may lift some of his conceptual tools but you really need to be
&gt; able to open up the real book and put together arrnagements on your
&gt; own...it's kinda like the &quot;giive the fish he eats for a day thing vs.
&gt; teach him to fish and he eats for life&quot;..

Just so. His comping book does the same sort of thing, though the
&quot;melodies&quot; that are being harmonized are counter or accompaniment
lines.

--
The secret of managing is to keep the guys who hate you away from the guys who
are undecided.
-- Casey Stengel

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#29: Re: Playing a solo jazz gig

Posted on 2005-01-28 15:51:59 by Gerry

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:Xns95EC559CAB00oasyscocoxnet&#64;68.1.17.6" target="_blank">Xns95EC559CAB00oasyscocoxnet&#64;68.1.17.6</a>&gt;, gregd/oasysco
&lt;<a href="mailto:o-a-s-y-s-c-o&#64;c-o-x.n-e-t" target="_blank">o-a-s-y-s-c-o&#64;c-o-x.n-e-t</a>&gt; wrote:

Gerry did a naughty naughty thing and didn't say the &quot;beloved idle
rich&quot;. He said, communist that he is:

&gt; &gt; wealthy oafs
&gt;
&gt; Gerry, you do know that oaf is defined as &quot;A person regarded as
&gt; stupid or clumsy&quot;, right?

Oops. Sorry if I insulted somebody other than a urban black predator
headed for a life of crime against hardworking Christians.

&gt; Are *all* wealthy people stupid and clumsy or just some of them?

Like you need to ask; of course not. Neither do all wealthy people
have garden parties, nor hire musicians. All of everybody isn't
anything. Just try to take deep breaths. I think legislation is
currently pending that no bad attributes can be attributed to money.

&gt; Plus, isn't it those &quot;wealthy oafs&quot; who pay the bills for many folks
&gt; here on RRMGJ?

Not everybody paying the bills is wealthy, are they? I know I'm not. I
thought most of them were actually the ubiquitous &quot;overburdened little
businessman&quot;, right?

&gt; I get the same feeling when I hear radio announcers say, &quot;Gotta take
&gt; a break to pay the bills&quot;, when it's those very advertisers who make
&gt; it possible for the radio announcer to blabber on.
&gt;
&gt; It filters all the way down to 7-11's whose many employees seem to
&gt; have a hard time saying thank-you to customers.
&gt;
&gt; I say appreciate the customer; love the customer.

Yeah, why don't put on a brighter shade of lipstick, bend over and drop
your pants--after all, they're the customer.

On to your next nonsequiter political screedfest...

--
The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers,
immigrants and aliens, the more you control all the people.
-- Noam Chomsky

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#30: Re: Playing a solo jazz gig

Posted on 2005-01-28 15:54:26 by Kevin Van Sant

On 28 Jan 2005 05:10:09 GMT, <a href="mailto:goddardv&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">goddardv&#64;aol.com</a> (GoddardV) wrote in
message &lt;<a href="mailto:20050128001009.13629.00000248&#64;mb-m23.aol.com" target="_blank">20050128001009.13629.00000248&#64;mb-m23.aol.com</a>&gt; :

&gt;Wow. 75 tunes is an impressive number. How many of you have put in the work to
&gt;be able to pull that off? Do you memorize arrangements or do you have the
&gt;skills to open the real book up to a lead sheet and &quot;improvise&quot; an arrangement?
&gt; I've been working through the Galbraith arrangements someone graciously posted
&gt;to the newsgroup a year or two ago, but with my spare practice time have only
&gt;learned about ten of them... It's daunting to think about being able to play an
&gt;additional 65 at performance level.

Once you learn the skills so you are comfortable improvising solo
arrangements of tunes you know reasonably well, then your whole
repertoire becomes available for solo gigs. Normally I'm a proponent
of improvised arrangements instead of memorized (if for no other
reason than it's more in the spirit of jazz music IMO), though I would
agree that a balance of at least arranged bits and pieces is not a bad
idea. I'm comfortable winging a solo guitar version of about 75% (a
guess) of the tunes I know, but there's no way I could memorize three
or four hundred arrangements. If I had to memorize arrangements for
every solo tune I played I would probably know only about 20 tunes at
a time.

That being said, I have never played 75 tunes at a solo gig, not even
at the 6 hour solo gig I did once. Again, it's unlikely that you're
going to have a ten minute arrangement worked out for very many songs,
but if you are improvising and you are feeling it and digging deep
into a tune, ten minutes can zip by pretty quick. I imagine I usually
play 6-9 tunes per set, so a three hour gig may only be 20-25 songs.


_________________________________________
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Posted on 2005-01-28 15:57:21 by Kevin Van Sant

On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:24:54 GMT, &quot;gregd/oasysco&quot;
&lt;<a href="mailto:o-a-s-y-s-c-o&#64;c-o-x.n-e-t" target="_blank">o-a-s-y-s-c-o&#64;c-o-x.n-e-t</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;I say appreciate the customer; love the customer. They're people just
&gt;like us. And while a recent post talked about knocking into yuppie wine
&gt;drinkers and gigs where audiences don't appreciate jazz as an art form,
&gt;they pay the bills and make it possible for folks to ply their craft and
&gt;have a life of their own.

I agree with you Greg. Of course it's impossible not to laugh about
some of the people we encounter.


_________________________________________
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#32: Re: Playing a solo jazz gig

Posted on 2005-01-28 15:59:49 by Gerry

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:Xns95EC56B22A803oasyscocoxnet&#64;68.1.17.6" target="_blank">Xns95EC56B22A803oasyscocoxnet&#64;68.1.17.6</a>&gt;, gregd/oasysco
&lt;<a href="mailto:o-a-s-y-s-c-o&#64;c-o-x.n-e-t" target="_blank">o-a-s-y-s-c-o&#64;c-o-x.n-e-t</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; yuppie wine drinkers

Gee Greg, do you think all wine-drinkers are yuppies?

Don't you think the wine industry would be hurting, and all the
overburdened estate owners and bottlers if a notable part of the
population didn't drink wine? What do you have against the profit
motive anyway--these people have to send their kids to Christian
academy's after all!!!

And Yuppies? After all, these are young upwardly-mobile folk--is
ambition bad? Should they become pot-smoking Dead heads, instead?
Don't you figure the god-fearing men who operate our Christian
government were all ambitious and upwardly-mobile in order to get their
jobs? They surely weren't all the sons of good wealthy hard-working
Christian law-makers, were they?

And so forth. Silly, isn't it, when people go hunting for what they
fear?

--
Honest criticism is hard to take, particularly from a relative, a friend, an
acquaintance or a stranger.
-- Franklin P. Jones

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#33: Re: Playing a solo jazz gig

Posted on 2005-01-28 16:20:53 by o-a-s-y-s-c-o

Kevin Van Sant &lt;<a href="mailto:kvansant&#64;pobox.com" target="_blank">kvansant&#64;pobox.com</a>&gt; wrote in
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&gt; On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:24:54 GMT, &quot;gregd/oasysco&quot;
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:o-a-s-y-s-c-o&#64;c-o-x.n-e-t" target="_blank">o-a-s-y-s-c-o&#64;c-o-x.n-e-t</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:Xns95EC559CAB00oasyscocoxnet&#64;68.1.17.6" target="_blank">Xns95EC559CAB00oasyscocoxnet&#64;68.1.17.6</a>&gt; :
&gt;
&gt;&gt;I say appreciate the customer; love the customer. They're people just
&gt;&gt;like us. And while a recent post talked about knocking into yuppie
wine
&gt;&gt;drinkers and gigs where audiences don't appreciate jazz as an art
form,
&gt;&gt;they pay the bills and make it possible for folks to ply their craft
and
&gt;&gt;have a life of their own.
&gt;
&gt; I agree with you Greg. Of course it's impossible not to laugh about
&gt; some of the people we encounter.

And laugh we should. I thought RR's piece was hilarious; he should be
syndicated. I just have a problem calling rich folks &quot;oafs&quot; just because
they're rich, that's all.

Greg


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#34: Re: Playing a solo jazz gig

Posted on 2005-01-28 16:29:54 by Tom Walls

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:Xns95EC6946C2926oasyscocoxnet&#64;68.1.17.6" target="_blank">Xns95EC6946C2926oasyscocoxnet&#64;68.1.17.6</a>&gt;, <a href="mailto:o-a-s-y-s-c-o&#64;c-o-" target="_blank">o-a-s-y-s-c-o&#64;c-o-</a>
x.n-e-t says...

&gt; And laugh we should. I thought RR's piece was hilarious; he should be
&gt; syndicated. I just have a problem calling rich folks &quot;oafs&quot; just because
&gt; they're rich, that's all.
&gt;
&gt; Greg
&gt;
&gt;
Geez Greg, if the rich and powerful aren't fair game: who is? Sadly
they're not an endangered species, and they truly don't need your
protection.
--
Tom Walls
the guy at the Temple of Zeus

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#35: Re: Playing a solo jazz gig

Posted on 2005-01-28 16:39:33 by o-a-s-y-s-c-o

Gerry,

&gt; In article &lt;<a href="mailto:Xns95EC56B22A803oasyscocoxnet&#64;68.1.17.6" target="_blank">Xns95EC56B22A803oasyscocoxnet&#64;68.1.17.6</a>&gt;, gregd/oasysco
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:o-a-s-y-s-c-o&#64;c-o-x.n-e-t" target="_blank">o-a-s-y-s-c-o&#64;c-o-x.n-e-t</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; yuppie wine drinkers
&gt;
&gt; Gee Greg, do you think all wine-drinkers are yuppies?

Let's put it to the test and see who's right...

&lt;pitter patter of my feet running outside on a very cold day&gt; Hey mister
&lt;talking to the wino leaning up against a concrete barricade for
warmth&gt;. What're ya drinkin' there? MD20-20? Well, are you a yuppie?

&lt;the wino looks up angrily, sneering&gt; Get the hell outta here; you want
I should cut your throat with this here wine bottle? Hey, how much money
you got on ya? &lt;pitter patter of my feet running away&gt; Hey come here and
gimme your money you little turd! Hey, you hear me you so-and-so?!? Get
back here!!!

&lt;safely back in my building, but huffing and puffing as I try to catch
my breath&gt; OK, you got me, Gerry - not all folks who drink wine are
yuppies.

&gt; Don't you think the wine industry would be hurting, and all the
&gt; overburdened estate owners and bottlers if a notable part of the
&gt; population didn't drink wine? What do you have against the profit
&gt; motive anyway--these people have to send their kids to Christian
&gt; academy's after all!!!

I didn't realize that vineyard/winery owners sent their kids to
Christian academies! Wow, I'm gonna starting drinkin' more wine...
albeit in the form of fruit-flavored, wine coolers that taste more like
soda than wine.

&gt; And Yuppies? After all, these are young upwardly-mobile folk--is
&gt; ambition bad? Should they become pot-smoking Dead heads, instead?

Well, at one time there was something to be said for Dead Heads, but
that was prior to Jerry's passing. Now, it's just not the same :)-

&gt; Don't you figure the god-fearing men who operate our Christian
&gt; government were all ambitious and upwardly-mobile in order to get
their
&gt; jobs?

I didn't realize that. Up until now I thought they were all winos. We
were talking about wine, weren't we?

&gt; They surely weren't all the sons of good wealthy hard-working
&gt; Christian law-makers, were they?
&gt;
&gt; And so forth. Silly, isn't it, when people go hunting for what they
&gt; fear?

If I understood what you mean, I might agree with you :)-

Greg

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#36: Re: Playing a solo jazz gig

Posted on 2005-01-28 16:45:33 by o-a-s-y-s-c-o

Gerry,

Harumpppff!


&gt;&gt; I say appreciate the customer; love the customer.
&gt;
&gt; Yeah, why don't put on a brighter shade of lipstick, bend over and drop
&gt; your pants--after all, they're the customer.
&gt;
&gt; On to your next nonsequiter political screedfest...

OK, try this one for size... [true story] I was chatting with an adult
about the &quot;insurgents&quot; in Iraq. A young person overheard, but incorrectly
and asked, &quot;why are we fighting the surgeons in Iraq&quot;?

Well, that got me thinking. Rather than nation building in Iraq, why not
turn them all into surgeons? A whole nation of healers rather than
warriors. We could replace all the doctors here with very, very cheap
labor! You know, it could work!

Greg

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#37: Re: Playing a solo jazz gig

Posted on 2005-01-28 16:49:42 by o-a-s-y-s-c-o

Tom Walls &lt;<a href="mailto:tw25&#64;cornell.edu" target="_blank">tw25&#64;cornell.edu</a>&gt; wrote in
news:ctdlpj$60k$<a href="mailto:1&#64;news01.cit.cornell.edu" target="_blank">1&#64;news01.cit.cornell.edu</a>:

&gt; In article &lt;<a href="mailto:Xns95EC6946C2926oasyscocoxnet&#64;68.1.17.6" target="_blank">Xns95EC6946C2926oasyscocoxnet&#64;68.1.17.6</a>&gt;,
&gt; <a href="mailto:o-a-s-y-s-c-o&#64;c-o-" target="_blank">o-a-s-y-s-c-o&#64;c-o-</a> x.n-e-t says...
&gt;
&gt;&gt; And laugh we should. I thought RR's piece was hilarious; he should be
&gt;&gt; syndicated. I just have a problem calling rich folks &quot;oafs&quot; just
&gt;&gt; because they're rich, that's all.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Greg
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt; Geez Greg, if the rich and powerful aren't fair game: who is? Sadly
&gt; they're not an endangered species, and they truly don't need your
&gt; protection.

String em 'up, baby, but if they're the customer, it's not right to refer
to them as oafs just because they're rich. Now, if they're not acting in
the role of the customer, I say have at 'em however you wish! And let's not
forget the lawyers.. since not all are rich, some may feel left out if we
only zero in on the rich. You gotta be inclusive nowadays.

Greg

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#38: Re: Playing a solo jazz gig

Posted on 2005-01-28 17:48:30 by Tom Walls

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x.n-e-t says...


&gt; String em 'up, baby, but if they're the customer, it's not right to refer
&gt; to them as oafs just because they're rich. Now, if they're not acting in
&gt; the role of the customer, I say have at 'em however you wish! And let's not
&gt; forget the lawyers.. since not all are rich, some may feel left out if we
&gt; only zero in on the rich. You gotta be inclusive nowadays.
&gt;
&gt; Greg
&gt;
I say start with the trust-funders: the lot of them. Next we go for
doctors, then lawyers. Only then will we truly be free. ;)
--
Tom Walls
the guy at the Temple of Zeus

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#39: Re: Playing a solo jazz gig

Posted on 2005-01-28 19:14:12 by Joe Finn

&quot;Gerry&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:address&#64;domain.com.invalid" target="_blank">address&#64;domain.com.invalid</a>&gt; wrote
&gt;
&gt; And Yuppies? After all, these are young upwardly-mobile folk--is
&gt; ambition bad?



The yuppie and the dink yuppie couple [dual income no kids] represent a
certain modern American stereotype. The materialism and &quot;me first&quot; mindset
associated with this particular social echelon has provided comic
inspiration to an entire generation of humorists and other social observers.
When somebody refers to a &quot;wine drinking, Mercedes driving yuppie dink&quot; we
are all well aware of everything the caricature has come to represent.

Yuppie jokes are as prolific as redneck jokes.

You know the one about the yuppie who crashed his BMW and lost his arm,
right? The first thing he said when they revived him in the ambulance was,
&quot;Oh, Good Lord!! Where's my Rolex ??!!! 8-) .........joe

--
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#40: Re: Playing a solo jazz gig

Posted on 2005-01-28 19:15:11 by o-a-s-y-s-c-o

Tom Walls &lt;<a href="mailto:tw25&#64;cornell.edu" target="_blank">tw25&#64;cornell.edu</a>&gt; wrote in
news:ctdqcu$7l3$<a href="mailto:1&#64;news01.cit.cornell.edu" target="_blank">1&#64;news01.cit.cornell.edu</a>:

&gt; In article &lt;<a href="mailto:Xns95EC6E29BE55Boasyscocoxnet&#64;68.1.17.6" target="_blank">Xns95EC6E29BE55Boasyscocoxnet&#64;68.1.17.6</a>&gt;,
&gt; <a href="mailto:o-a-s-y-s-c-o&#64;c-o-" target="_blank">o-a-s-y-s-c-o&#64;c-o-</a> x.n-e-t says...
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt; String em 'up, baby, but if they're the customer, it's not right to
&gt;&gt; refer to them as oafs just because they're rich. Now, if they're not
&gt;&gt; acting in the role of the customer, I say have at 'em however you
&gt;&gt; wish! And let's not forget the lawyers.. since not all are rich, some
&gt;&gt; may feel left out if we only zero in on the rich. You gotta be
&gt;&gt; inclusive nowadays.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Greg
&gt;&gt;
&gt; I say start with the trust-funders: the lot of them. Next we go for
&gt; doctors, then lawyers. Only then will we truly be free. ;)

I just hope the FBI's big Internet sweeper doesn't zero in on certain
keyowrds and build a profile of something that really isn't. If so, I don't
know you, Tom and my name isn't Greg... it's... hmmmm, Gerry :)-

Greg

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#41: Re: Playing a solo jazz gig

Posted on 2005-01-28 19:23:56 by rickfrossyouknowwhattodo

&quot;gregd/oasysco&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:o-a-s-y-s-c-o&#64;c-o-x.n-e-t" target="_blank">o-a-s-y-s-c-o&#64;c-o-x.n-e-t</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &quot;Joe Finn&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:Joe&#64;JoeFinn.net" target="_blank">Joe&#64;JoeFinn.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;&gt;&gt; &quot;Rick Ross&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:rickfrossyouknowwhattodo&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">rickfrossyouknowwhattodo&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote &gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Especially when the gig is over and I'm loaded like a pack
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; horse..guitar on my back, amp and stool in one hand and bag with my
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; mini PA and tracking stuff in the other..I am a one trip pony and
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; this is at least 75 lbs of toys pulling my shoulders out of my
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; sockets..so I ask at varying volume levels..&quot;excuse me&quot;..several
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; different times..to make small path between the pre-alcoholics and
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; tables piled high with salmonellic cheese cubes so I can make my way
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; to the car..of course only until I bump a fat, over the hill estro
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; ass with the corner of my amp do I get any response..and, with the
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; white wine sloshing in their eloquently stemmed glasses the herd
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; shifts to one side with unintended orchestration and I kiss my
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; fawning audiences goodbye..ugh!
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Ah, life she's-a good, no? 8-)
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; I hear you, Rick. Nobody who did not have the intimate firsthand
&gt;&gt;&gt; knowledge of having done the solo gig thing a hundred times over
&gt;&gt;&gt; could have written what you just wrote. All of us who actually labor
&gt;&gt;&gt; in that there particular vineyard can and do sympathize. We've been
&gt;&gt;&gt; there and we know all too well the terrain in which you found
&gt;&gt;&gt; yourself deployed.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; But there is also honor and dignity in the work you are doing. Your
&gt;&gt;&gt; labors are worthy and you should be proud of your efforts. Being able
&gt;&gt;&gt; to appreciate the fundamental absurdity of what's really going on in
&gt;&gt;&gt; a restaurant where music is also being presented is a key insight.
&gt;&gt;&gt; The endeavor of performing music is somehow a transcendent pursuit,
&gt;&gt;&gt; though. It's always a good idea to remember that each and every gig;
&gt;&gt;&gt; no matter how grand; no matter how humble, is yet another opportunity
&gt;&gt;&gt; to make something beautiful happen.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Hang tough, man. I'm pullin' for you. ......joe
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; P.S. I myself am just home from playing a solo gig. It wasn't too bad
&gt;&gt;&gt; really except for the fact that it's below zero outside this evening.
&gt;&gt;&gt; I worry about the guitar a little when it's cold outside. The music
&gt;&gt;&gt; went well and was well received; another day at the office or a day
&gt;&gt;&gt; in the life of a fool; can't decide.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; --
&gt;&gt;&gt; Visit me on the web www.joefinn.net
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; thanks joe..
&gt;&gt; i've out the gun away for now:)
&gt;&gt; and you're correct of course..there is much redemption in playing
&gt;&gt; music..especially on guitar..I'm just old and a tad cynical and don't
&gt;&gt; wanna be responsible for a tangential &quot;under-appreciated msuicians in
&gt;&gt; our society thread&quot;..
&gt;&gt; peace and play on..
&gt;
&gt; Rick, ever thought about writing? You'd do well with a column titled,
&gt; &quot;The Under-appreciated Musician&quot; for a music mag or e-mag, writing in a
&gt; humorous, yet truthful manner. For example, your rambling description of
&gt; the yuppie wine drinkers had me rolling; I could actually feel the
&gt; sensation of pushing through an unappreciative crowd, who had no idea of
&gt; who I was and could have cared less. That's the everyday stuff - written
&gt; with humor as you did - that I don't see enough of.
&gt;
&gt; Greg
thanks for filling up my time:) greg but I am retired..jazz guitar is a
&quot;hobby&quot;..the perceptions I share are borne out of my predicament..that is I
am gigging at the lowest possible level...I have no Cd..I do not showcase
with my own group..I am not on tour and don't aspire to anything other than
playing &quot;soft&quot; renditions from the great American Songbook..Porter, Kern,
van Heusen, Rodgers &amp; hart, the list is endless and the tunes are
beautiful...if I can render them tatsefully and with respect for the
music..that's it for me..I really don't need to stir the pot of embittered
musicians..but there are some gigs...sheeeesh!!!!the people! sheeesh!..but
it's NOT all the gigs and it's NOT all the time and that should be made
abundantly clear..

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#42: Re: Playing a solo jazz gig

Posted on 2005-01-28 19:27:58 by o-a-s-y-s-c-o

&quot;Joe Finn&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:Joe&#64;JoeFinn.net" target="_blank">Joe&#64;JoeFinn.net</a>&gt; wrote in news:41fa81cd$<a href="mailto:1_1&#64;127.0.0.1" target="_blank">1_1&#64;127.0.0.1</a>:

&gt;
&gt; &quot;Gerry&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:address&#64;domain.com.invalid" target="_blank">address&#64;domain.com.invalid</a>&gt; wrote
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; And Yuppies? After all, these are young upwardly-mobile folk--is
&gt;&gt; ambition bad?
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; The yuppie and the dink yuppie couple [dual income no kids] represent
&gt; a certain modern American stereotype. The materialism and &quot;me first&quot;
&gt; mindset associated with this particular social echelon has provided
&gt; comic inspiration to an entire generation of humorists and other
&gt; social observers. When somebody refers to a &quot;wine drinking, Mercedes
&gt; driving yuppie dink&quot; we are all well aware of everything the
&gt; caricature has come to represent.
&gt;
&gt; Yuppie jokes are as prolific as redneck jokes.
&gt;
&gt; You know the one about the yuppie who crashed his BMW and lost his
&gt; arm, right? The first thing he said when they revived him in the
&gt; ambulance was, &quot;Oh, Good Lord!! Where's my Rolex ??!!! 8-)
&gt; .........joe
&gt;


You write like a professor, professor. Good joke.

Greg

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#43: Re: Playing a solo jazz gig

Posted on 2005-01-28 19:30:30 by o-a-s-y-s-c-o

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&gt; &quot;gregd/oasysco&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:o-a-s-y-s-c-o&#64;c-o-x.n-e-t" target="_blank">o-a-s-y-s-c-o&#64;c-o-x.n-e-t</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; &quot;Joe Finn&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:Joe&#64;JoeFinn.net" target="_blank">Joe&#64;JoeFinn.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &quot;Rick Ross&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:rickfrossyouknowwhattodo&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">rickfrossyouknowwhattodo&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote &gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Especially when the gig is over and I'm loaded like a pack
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; horse..guitar on my back, amp and stool in one hand and bag with
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; my mini PA and tracking stuff in the other..I am a one trip pony
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; and this is at least 75 lbs of toys pulling my shoulders out of my
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; sockets..so I ask at varying volume levels..&quot;excuse me&quot;..several
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; different times..to make small path between the pre-alcoholics and
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; tables piled high with salmonellic cheese cubes so I can make my
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; way to the car..of course only until I bump a fat, over the hill
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; estro ass with the corner of my amp do I get any response..and,
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; with the white wine sloshing in their eloquently stemmed glasses
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; the herd shifts to one side with unintended orchestration and I
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; kiss my fawning audiences goodbye..ugh!
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Ah, life she's-a good, no? 8-)
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I hear you, Rick. Nobody who did not have the intimate firsthand
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; knowledge of having done the solo gig thing a hundred times over
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; could have written what you just wrote. All of us who actually
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; labor in that there particular vineyard can and do sympathize.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; We've been there and we know all too well the terrain in which you
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; found yourself deployed.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; But there is also honor and dignity in the work you are doing. Your
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; labors are worthy and you should be proud of your efforts. Being
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; able to appreciate the fundamental absurdity of what's really going
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; on in a restaurant where music is also being presented is a key
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; insight. The endeavor of performing music is somehow a transcendent
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; pursuit, though. It's always a good idea to remember that each and
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; every gig; no matter how grand; no matter how humble, is yet
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; another opportunity to make something beautiful happen.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Hang tough, man. I'm pullin' for you. ......joe
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; P.S. I myself am just home from playing a solo gig. It wasn't too
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; bad really except for the fact that it's below zero outside this
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; evening. I worry about the guitar a little when it's cold outside.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; The music went well and was well received; another day at the
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; office or a day in the life of a fool; can't decide.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; --
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Visit me on the web www.joefinn.net
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
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&gt;&gt;&gt; thanks joe..
&gt;&gt;&gt; i've out the gun away for now:)
&gt;&gt;&gt; and you're correct of course..there is much redemption in playing
&gt;&gt;&gt; music..especially on guitar..I'm just old and a tad cynical and
&gt;&gt;&gt; don't wanna be responsible for a tangential &quot;under-appreciated
&gt;&gt;&gt; msuicians in our society thread&quot;..
&gt;&gt;&gt; peace and play on..
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Rick, ever thought about writing? You'd do well with a column titled,
&gt;&gt; &quot;The Under-appreciated Musician&quot; for a music mag or e-mag, writing in
&gt;&gt; a humorous, yet truthful manner. For example, your rambling
&gt;&gt; description of the yuppie wine drinkers had me rolling; I could
&gt;&gt; actually feel the sensation of pushing through an unappreciative
&gt;&gt; crowd, who had no idea of who I was and could have cared less. That's
&gt;&gt; the everyday stuff - written with humor as you did - that I don't see
&gt;&gt; enough of.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Greg
&gt; thanks for filling up my time:) greg but I am retired..jazz guitar is
&gt; a &quot;hobby&quot;..the perceptions I share are borne out of my
&gt; predicament..that is I am gigging at the lowest possible level...I
&gt; have no Cd..I do not showcase with my own group..I am not on tour and
&gt; don't aspire to anything other than playing &quot;soft&quot; renditions from the
&gt; great American Songbook..Porter, Kern, van Heusen, Rodgers &amp; hart, the
&gt; list is endless and the tunes are beautiful...if I can render them
&gt; tatsefully and with respect for the music..that's it for me..I really
&gt; don't need to stir the pot of embittered musicians..but there are some
&gt; gigs...sheeeesh!!!!the people! sheeesh!..but it's NOT all the gigs and
&gt; it's NOT all the time and that should be made abundantly clear..

That's why you'd be perfect for the job! You've got nuthin' to lose and
could keep us all in stitches with a Dilbert-like look at musicians and
their audiences. I'm being serious here.

Greg

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#44: Re: Playing a solo jazz gig

Posted on 2005-01-28 19:43:28 by Gerry

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:Xns95EC6946C2926oasyscocoxnet&#64;68.1.17.6" target="_blank">Xns95EC6946C2926oasyscocoxnet&#64;68.1.17.6</a>&gt;, gregd/oasysco
&lt;<a href="mailto:o-a-s-y-s-c-o&#64;c-o-x.n-e-t" target="_blank">o-a-s-y-s-c-o&#64;c-o-x.n-e-t</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; And laugh we should. I thought RR's piece was hilarious; he should be
&gt; syndicated. I just have a problem calling rich folks &quot;oafs&quot; just because
&gt; they're rich, that's all.

I didn't call them oafs because they're rich. Do you read anything but
the Fox News crawl? &quot;Upper Crust&quot;, garden party, drunks demanding
Chuck Berry out of a jazz guitarist: get the image? Rich oafs. That's
not to say poor oafs don't exist.

You keep humping the coach cushions like this and we're gonna have to
put you in the backyard again....

--
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are undecided.
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#45: Re: Playing a solo jazz gig

Posted on 2005-01-28 20:09:05 by Gerry

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:Xns95EC6D757DF2Doasyscocoxnet&#64;68.1.17.6" target="_blank">Xns95EC6D757DF2Doasyscocoxnet&#64;68.1.17.6</a>&gt;, gregd/oasysco
&lt;<a href="mailto:o-a-s-y-s-c-o&#64;c-o-x.n-e-t" target="_blank">o-a-s-y-s-c-o&#64;c-o-x.n-e-t</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; &gt;&gt; I say appreciate the customer; love the customer.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Yeah, why don't put on a brighter shade of lipstick, bend over and drop
&gt; &gt; your pants--after all, they're the customer.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; On to your next nonsequiter political screedfest...
&gt;
&gt; OK, try this one for size...

How about we don't.

Trolling for a fist-fight in this ng has apparently been okay'd as
acceptable behaviour now. But really, go trail somebody else.

Didn't I read that Holger said Reagen didn't single-handedly stop the
cold war? Maybe not, but he would have, I betcha! Sic him! Get him,
boy!

--
The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers,
immigrants and aliens, the more you control all the people.
-- Noam Chomsky

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#46: Re: Playing a solo jazz gig

Posted on 2005-01-28 20:12:14 by Gerry

In article &lt;ctdqcu$7l3$<a href="mailto:1&#64;news01.cit.cornell.edu" target="_blank">1&#64;news01.cit.cornell.edu</a>&gt;, Tom Walls
&lt;<a href="mailto:tw25&#64;cornell.edu" target="_blank">tw25&#64;cornell.edu</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; I say start with the trust-funders: the lot of them. Next we go for
&gt; doctors, then lawyers. Only then will we truly be free. ;)

Curious that in both the USSR, fascist Italy and communit China that
the categories they went after were the teachers, doctors, and the
lawyers. And so do the current political victors.

--
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acquaintance or a stranger.
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#47: Re: Playing a solo jazz gig

Posted on 2005-01-29 01:40:40 by Jonathan Giblin

&quot;Kevin Van Sant&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:kvansant&#64;pobox.com" target="_blank">kvansant&#64;pobox.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; Once you learn the skills so you are comfortable improvising solo
&gt; arrangements of tunes you know reasonably well, then your whole
&gt; repertoire becomes available for solo gigs.

Makes sense to me; I can do that to an extent.

&gt; Again, it's unlikely that you're
&gt; going to have a ten minute arrangement worked out for very many songs,
&gt; but if you are improvising and you are feeling it and digging deep
&gt; into a tune, ten minutes can zip by pretty quick. I imagine I usually
&gt; play 6-9 tunes per set, so a three hour gig may only be 20-25 songs.

This astonishes me.

Not that I doubt you, Kevin. You clearly have the skills/chops/ideas to play
a tune for 10-12 minutes. But many players have a tough time making more
than a couple choruses sound fresh. I can see where you might play stuff
that isn't soloistic in the sense of being the kind of stuff you'd play with
a rhythm section. You might find little chordal things or counterpoint
things. You might play an extended intro or a bass solo or something.

Still, playing all night like that would be a huge stretch, at least for me.
I'll bet it would be for most of the people reading this. Maybe I just ain't
digging deep enough; maybe I just don't understand these tunes well enough.
I don't know. But it would be very helpful if you'd describe how you might
approach keeping a 10-12 minute solo version of a tune fresh, and how you do
that song after song all evening. Maybe it ain't a fair question, but it's
the one that pops into my feeble brain.

Inquiring minds and all that....
Thanks.

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#48: Re: Playing a solo jazz gig

Posted on 2005-01-29 08:49:43 by Tom Lippincott

Joe Finn &lt;<a href="mailto:Joe&#64;JoeFinn.net" target="_blank">Joe&#64;JoeFinn.net</a>&gt; wrote in message news:41f9bc92$<a href="mailto:1_1&#64;127.0.0.1..." target="_blank">1_1&#64;127.0.0.1...</a>
&gt;
&gt; P.S. I myself am just home from playing a solo gig. It wasn't too bad
really
&gt; except for the fact that it's below zero outside this evening. I worry
about
&gt; the guitar a little when it's cold outside. The music went well and was
well
&gt; received; another day at the office or a day in the life of a fool; can't
&gt; decide.
&gt;

I just got back from my own solo gig as well; I came out to my car to find a
nail in one of my tires. Luckily the tire still had enough air to get me to
a gas station where I could change the tire in some light, and under a
shelter (it was raining out, but at least not below zero). This has been an
adventurous couple of days for me. After my gig last night, the
percussionist I play with and I went to a late night pizza place. The place
is in kind of a scary area so I, thinking I was being extra smart and
cautious, brought my guitar in with me. Fast forward to me pulling into my
parking spot at home, tiredly groping on the front seat for my guitar
and......oh god, it wasn't there! I had left it at the pizza place.
Luckily for me, the people that work there noticed I left the guitar right
away and grabbed it; they were waiting for me with it when I got there.

--
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#49: Re: Playing a solo jazz gig

Posted on 2005-01-30 05:52:35 by Joe Finn

&quot;Tom Lippincott&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:tomlippincott&#64;bellsouth.net" target="_blank">tomlippincott&#64;bellsouth.net</a>&gt; wrote

&gt; I just got back from my own solo gig as well; I came out to my car to find
&gt; a
&gt; nail in one of my tires. Luckily the tire still had enough air to get me
&gt; to
&gt; a gas station where I could change the tire in some light, and under a
&gt; shelter (it was raining out, but at least not below zero).

Bummer, Tom.

&gt;This has been an
&gt; adventurous couple of days for me. After my gig last night, the
&gt; percussionist I play with and I went to a late night pizza place. The
&gt; place
&gt; is in kind of a scary area so I, thinking I was being extra smart and
&gt; cautious, brought my guitar in with me. Fast forward to me pulling into
&gt; my
&gt; parking spot at home, tiredly groping on the front seat for my guitar
&gt; and......oh god, it wasn't there! I had left it at the pizza place.
&gt; Luckily for me, the people that work there noticed I left the guitar right
&gt; away and grabbed it; they were waiting for me with it when I got there.

Hmmm......... That's not a good feeling. I'm glad you got the guitar
back, though.

It reminds me of the time I was supposed to play a Sunday morning church
service. I was really tired from having been out all night playing a gig
someplace; and I got halfway to the church before I realized I left the
guitar home!! ........joe


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#50: Re: Playing a solo jazz gig

Posted on 2005-01-30 07:17:58 by jurupari

Wow. 75 tunes is an impressive number. How many of you have=AD put in
the work to
be able to pull that off?

I think the best work you can put in is to figure a way to deliver a
song in a 'two handed' manner.

For myself, if I know the melody of a song, I can pretty much get the
chords together at the same time, so there's not all that much to
putting a head together for a song.

Of course they improve and change with time, and after a while they
sound like 'arrangements' but they're really more like adaptations.

There are books to help the concepts along, but once you get used to
comping for a melody, it gets easier to do it on any melody you can
think of. And of course if you can do it for a melody, you can do it
for whatever lines you come up with, so you can carry a song as long as
you want to play choruses.

It doesn't happen overnight, but there are books to help you along now,
and a lot of recorded material to crib from. And you get to keep all
the bread.

Clif Kuplen

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#51: Re: Playing a solo jazz gig

Posted on 2005-01-31 21:35:43 by o-a-s-y-s-c-o

Gerry &lt;<a href="mailto:address&#64;domain.com.invalid" target="_blank">address&#64;domain.com.invalid</a>&gt; wrote in
news:280120051109056846%<a href="mailto:address&#64;domain.com.invalid" target="_blank">address&#64;domain.com.invalid</a>:

&gt; In article &lt;<a href="mailto:Xns95EC6D757DF2Doasyscocoxnet&#64;68.1.17.6" target="_blank">Xns95EC6D757DF2Doasyscocoxnet&#64;68.1.17.6</a>&gt;, gregd/oasysco
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:o-a-s-y-s-c-o&#64;c-o-x.n-e-t" target="_blank">o-a-s-y-s-c-o&#64;c-o-x.n-e-t</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I say appreciate the customer; love the customer.
&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt; Yeah, why don't put on a brighter shade of lipstick, bend over and
&gt;&gt; &gt; drop your pants--after all, they're the customer.
&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt; On to your next nonsequiter political screedfest...
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; OK, try this one for size...
&gt;
&gt; How about we don't.
&gt;
&gt; Trolling for a fist-fight in this ng has apparently been okay'd as
&gt; acceptable behaviour now. But really, go trail somebody else.

Oh, so you have to have the last word, huh? OK, you had it.

Greg

&gt;
&gt; Didn't I read that Holger said Reagen didn't single-handedly stop the
&gt; cold war? Maybe not, but he would have, I betcha! Sic him! Get him,
&gt; boy!
&gt;

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#52: Re: Playing a solo jazz gig

Posted on 2005-01-31 22:36:59 by tombrown

&quot;What's the Matter With Kansas?&quot; is even more apropos.

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#53: Re: Playing a solo jazz gig

Posted on 2005-01-31 22:48:20 by tombrown

Gerry wrote:
&gt;
&gt; Curious that in both the USSR, fascist Italy and communit China that
&gt; the categories they went after were the teachers, doctors, and the
&gt; lawyers. And so do the current political victors.

That's not exactly correct. Among Lenin's
first targets were the kulaks, and then the
clergy.

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#54: Re: Playing a solo jazz gig

Posted on 2005-01-31 22:56:58 by Gerry

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:Xns95EF9EA9A30Foasyscocoxnet&#64;68.1.17.6" target="_blank">Xns95EF9EA9A30Foasyscocoxnet&#64;68.1.17.6</a>&gt;, gregd/oasysco
&lt;<a href="mailto:o-a-s-y-s-c-o&#64;c-o-x.n-e-t" target="_blank">o-a-s-y-s-c-o&#64;c-o-x.n-e-t</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; &gt; Trolling for a fist-fight in this ng has apparently been okay'd as
&gt; &gt; acceptable behaviour now. But really, go trail somebody else.
&gt;
&gt; Oh, so you have to have the last word, huh? OK, you had it.

No I don't. I used the phrase &quot;wealthy oafs&quot; and you floor-boarded the
thing. Let's not pretend you're not parsing my otherwise irrelevant
posts for hints of examples of reluctance to kiss Republican ass. If
that's what you consider worthy of a whine-fest you're welcome to it.
But I think you can find admirable fodder for such irrelevance in every
post in every thread. You just have decide who's not a good enough
Rupert Murchoch American for you, then find their &quot;secret messages&quot;.

--
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#55: Re: Playing a solo jazz gig

Posted on 2005-02-01 02:30:01 by Gerry

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:1107208099.973770.327200&#64;c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com" target="_blank">1107208099.973770.327200&#64;c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com</a>&gt;,
&lt;&quot;<a href="mailto:tombrown&#64;jhu.edu" target="_blank">tombrown&#64;jhu.edu</a>&quot;&gt; wrote:

&gt; &gt; Curious that in both the USSR, fascist Italy and communit China
&gt; &gt; that the categories they went after were the teachers, doctors, and
&gt; &gt; the lawyers. And so do the current political victors.
&gt;
&gt; That's not exactly correct. Among Lenin's first targets were the
&gt; kulaks, and then the clergy.

I didn't mean to imply these were the ONLY people deemed a &quot;menacy to
society&quot;, just an interesting corellary in the ones named, and how
essentially &quot;professionals&quot; are the ones to be mistrusted, while
mouth-pieces for the machine are to be embraced.

There are other salient differences between our burgeoning fascist
American state: unlike most communist states, Christian clergy are
actually allies, rather than opponents.

--
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#56: Re: Playing a solo jazz gig

Posted on 2005-02-01 05:14:44 by j kenny

Wow, 75 tunes may be an impressive number to some, but how did you memorize
Deacon Blues? It has 75 chords!

&lt;<a href="mailto:jurupari&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">jurupari&#64;aol.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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Wow. 75 tunes is an impressive number. How many of you have put in
the work to
be able to pull that off?

I think the best work you can put in is to figure a way to deliver a
song in a 'two handed' manner.

For myself, if I know the melody of a song, I can pretty much get the
chords together at the same time, so there's not all that much to
putting a head together for a song.

Of course they improve and change with time, and after a while they
sound like 'arrangements' but they're really more like adaptations.

There are books to help the concepts along, but once you get used to
comping for a melody, it gets easier to do it on any melody you can
think of. And of course if you can do it for a melody, you can do it
for whatever lines you come up with, so you can carry a song as long as
you want to play choruses.

It doesn't happen overnight, but there are books to help you along now,
and a lot of recorded material to crib from. And you get to keep all
the bread.

Clif Kuplen

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#57: Re: Playing a solo jazz gig

Posted on 2005-02-01 05:40:44 by Kevin Van Sant

On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 19:40:40 -0500, &quot;Jonathan Giblin&quot;
&lt;<a href="mailto:jgiblinspamfree&#64;copper.net" target="_blank">jgiblinspamfree&#64;copper.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
&lt;<a href="mailto:41fadbce_2&#64;newsfeed.slurp.net" target="_blank">41fadbce_2&#64;newsfeed.slurp.net</a>&gt; :

&gt;&quot;Kevin Van Sant&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:kvansant&#64;pobox.com" target="_blank">kvansant&#64;pobox.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt;news:<a href="mailto:7gjkv0du4kimf0imf1r1qpdkeotrboagcf&#64;4ax.com..." target="_blank">7gjkv0du4kimf0imf1r1qpdkeotrboagcf&#64;4ax.com...</a>
&gt;
&gt;&gt; Once you learn the skills so you are comfortable improvising solo
&gt;&gt; arrangements of tunes you know reasonably well, then your whole
&gt;&gt; repertoire becomes available for solo gigs.
&gt;
&gt;Makes sense to me; I can do that to an extent.
&gt;
&gt;&gt; Again, it's unlikely that you're
&gt;&gt; going to have a ten minute arrangement worked out for very many songs,
&gt;&gt; but if you are improvising and you are feeling it and digging deep
&gt;&gt; into a tune, ten minutes can zip by pretty quick. I imagine I usually
&gt;&gt; play 6-9 tunes per set, so a three hour gig may only be 20-25 songs.
&gt;
&gt;This astonishes me.
&gt;
&gt;Not that I doubt you, Kevin. You clearly have the skills/chops/ideas to play
&gt;a tune for 10-12 minutes. But many players have a tough time making more
&gt;than a couple choruses sound fresh. I can see where you might play stuff
&gt;that isn't soloistic in the sense of being the kind of stuff you'd play with
&gt;a rhythm section. You might find little chordal things or counterpoint
&gt;things. You might play an extended intro or a bass solo or something.
&gt;
&gt;Still, playing all night like that would be a huge stretch, at least for me.
&gt;I'll bet it would be for most of the people reading this. Maybe I just ain't
&gt;digging deep enough; maybe I just don't understand these tunes well enough.
&gt;I don't know. But it would be very helpful if you'd describe how you might
&gt;approach keeping a 10-12 minute solo version of a tune fresh, and how you do
&gt;that song after song all evening. Maybe it ain't a fair question, but it's
&gt;the one that pops into my feeble brain.

It's not song after song all night. But in a solo gig you've got
absolute freedom to do whatever your whim. Some tunes on a given
night inspire a lot of whims. Others might not. Sometimes I might
start a song, thinking it's what I want to play then realize I'm not
really feeling it so I'll get out of it quickly, maybe even after just
one time through. Other tunes may spark enough ideas to last a good
while. I don't have any stock approach, I just start to play a tune
and see where it leads me and what pops up. It's no different from
improvising with a group, if you are still feeling it then you take
another chorus, if not, you wrap it up. But I think it's the process
of exploring and improvising which is what keeps it fresh. I'd have a
lot harder time keeping 50 short arrangements fresh from one gig to
the next than long improvisations over 10 or 15 tunes.


_________________________________________
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Posted on 2005-02-01 05:43:02 by Kevin Van Sant

On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 02:49:43 -0500, &quot;Tom Lippincott&quot;
&lt;<a href="mailto:tomlippincott&#64;bellsouth.net" target="_blank">tomlippincott&#64;bellsouth.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;Fast forward to me pulling into my
&gt;parking spot at home, tiredly groping on the front seat for my guitar
&gt;and......oh god, it wasn't there! I had left it at the pizza place.

Tom! what a horrible feeling. I guess not as bad as tiredly
leaning your guitar up against the bumper of your car then backing
over it. ...it's been known to happen.

I'm glad you got it back!


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#59: Re: Playing a solo jazz gig

Posted on 2005-02-01 14:09:29 by o-a-s-y-s-c-o

Gerry &lt;<a href="mailto:address&#64;domain.com.invalid" target="_blank">address&#64;domain.com.invalid</a>&gt; wrote in news:310120051356585154%
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&gt; In article &lt;<a href="mailto:Xns95EF9EA9A30Foasyscocoxnet&#64;68.1.17.6" target="_blank">Xns95EF9EA9A30Foasyscocoxnet&#64;68.1.17.6</a>&gt;, gregd/oasysco
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:o-a-s-y-s-c-o&#64;c-o-x.n-e-t" target="_blank">o-a-s-y-s-c-o&#64;c-o-x.n-e-t</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt; Trolling for a fist-fight in this ng has apparently been okay'd as
&gt;&gt; &gt; acceptable behaviour now. But really, go trail somebody else.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Oh, so you have to have the last word, huh? OK, you had it.
&gt;
&gt; No I don't. I used the phrase &quot;wealthy oafs&quot; and you floor-boarded the
&gt; thing. Let's not pretend you're not parsing my otherwise irrelevant
&gt; posts for hints of examples of reluctance to kiss Republican ass. If
&gt; that's what you consider worthy of a whine-fest you're welcome to it.
&gt; But I think you can find admirable fodder for such irrelevance in every
&gt; post in every thread. You just have decide who's not a good enough
&gt; Rupert Murchoch American for you, then find their &quot;secret messages&quot;.

I have no idea of what this has to do with my post on &quot;fighting the
surgeons&quot; in Iraq to which you responded that I was trolling for a fist-
fight. Tells me that you didn't even read the post and that you are simply
emptying your urn of ashes with every chance you get.

Greg

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#60: Re: Playing a solo jazz gig

Posted on 2005-02-01 16:19:56 by Norm K

This post about the forgotten guitar brought back memories that led me
to re-emerge from lurkerdom. I got a chance to work in Germany for a
couple years in the early '80s and, in one of the least shrewd
decisions of my life, traded my tele and SF Deluxe on a Takamine
classical to take to Europe as my sole guitar. My wife and I had a
bunch of luggage in addition to my new guitar. I wrapped it in some
cruddy cardboard and duct tape to protect the case. We flew to
Frankfurt and caught a train to Goettingen. German trains are very
punctual and we scrambled to get all our luggage on board before it
left. About an hour into the train trip I realized that my guitar had
been left on the platform at the train station! Even now, some 20
years later, I still can feel my stomach turn when I realized it was
missing. I immediately found a conductor and pleaded with him to call
the station, which he said he'd do (but not happily). I was a wreck
when I arrived in Goettingen about another hour later, but I learned
that the guitar was found and would be put on the next train for about
$30! The cardboard &quot;disguise&quot; may have saved me since it looked
nothing like a guitar case. I still have that guitar and will never
get rid of it. At least not on purpose...

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#61: Re: Playing a solo jazz gig

Posted on 2005-02-03 19:48:15 by Jon Fox

GoddardV wrote:
&gt; Wow. 75 tunes is an impressive number. How many of you have put in
the work to
&gt; be able to pull that off? Do you memorize arrangements or do you
have the
&gt; skills to open the real book up to a lead sheet and &quot;improvise&quot; an
arrangement?
&gt; I've been working through the Galbraith arrangements someone
graciously posted
&gt; to the newsgroup a year or two ago, but with my spare practice time
have only
&gt; learned about ten of them... It's daunting to think about being able
to play an
&gt; additional 65 at performance level.
&gt;
&gt; Maybe I should form a rock-blues band for hire instead.
&gt;
&gt; John

I just went through my solo list, and found it is currently 101 tunes.
I have a pretty much set arrangement for the heads, though they are
flexible and I am able to improvise an arrangement or create one as I
read an unfamiliar tune. I then improvise through the changes.

I play this list on a rotating basis, probably 6-15 per hour of
playing. As someone else had mentioned they do, I also keep a list of
titles and I try to play those I haven't played recently, hoping to
keep them all fresh. I do, of course, have some favorites. I also add
tunes regularly, usually when I hear a tune that's not currently in my
repertoire and think &quot;That's a really nice tune, I should play
that....&quot;.

It's true that going through the process of harmonizing a melody
shortens the time necessary to do the next one, and so it goes....

Jon

www.jonfoxjazz.com

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#62: Re: Playing a solo jazz gig

Posted on 2005-02-03 23:15:50 by charles robinson

Remember that it sounds great for solo guitar to play ballads out of tempo.
I like to state the head that way and then go into time for the solos.



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&gt;
&gt; GoddardV wrote:
&gt;&gt; Wow. 75 tunes is an impressive number. How many of you have put in
&gt; the work to
&gt;&gt; be able to pull that off? Do you memorize arrangements or do you
&gt; have the
&gt;&gt; skills to open the real book up to a lead sheet and &quot;improvise&quot; an
&gt; arrangement?
&gt;&gt; I've been working through the Galbraith arrangements someone
&gt; graciously posted
&gt;&gt; to the newsgroup a year or two ago, but with my spare practice time
&gt; have only
&gt;&gt; learned about ten of them... It's daunting to think about being able
&gt; to play an
&gt;&gt; additional 65 at performance level.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Maybe I should form a rock-blues band for hire instead.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; John
&gt;
&gt; I just went through my solo list, and found it is currently 101 tunes.
&gt; I have a pretty much set arrangement for the heads, though they are
&gt; flexible and I am able to improvise an arrangement or create one as I
&gt; read an unfamiliar tune. I then improvise through the changes.
&gt;
&gt; I play this list on a rotating basis, probably 6-15 per hour of
&gt; playing. As someone else had mentioned they do, I also keep a list of
&gt; titles and I try to play those I haven't played recently, hoping to
&gt; keep them all fresh. I do, of course, have some favorites. I also add
&gt; tunes regularly, usually when I hear a tune that's not currently in my
&gt; repertoire and think &quot;That's a really nice tune, I should play
&gt; that....&quot;.
&gt;
&gt; It's true that going through the process of harmonizing a melody
&gt; shortens the time necessary to do the next one, and so it goes....
&gt;
&gt; Jon
&gt;
&gt; www.jonfoxjazz.com
&gt;

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#63: Re: Playing a solo jazz gig

Posted on 2005-02-04 07:53:37 by tombrown

charles robinson wrote:
&gt; Remember that it sounds great for solo guitar to play ballads out of
tempo.
&gt; I like to state the head that way and then go into time for the
solos.


That way you get to remind yourself how the song
goes before you get locked into a tempo. And if
you forget a piece of the song, you're just
improvising an intro, not fucking it up.

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#64: Re: Playing a solo jazz gig

Posted on 2005-02-04 15:40:22 by Kevin Van Sant

On 3 Feb 2005 22:53:37 -0800, &quot;<a href="mailto:tombrown&#64;jhu.edu" target="_blank">tombrown&#64;jhu.edu</a>&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:tombrown&#64;jhu.edu" target="_blank">tombrown&#64;jhu.edu</a>&gt;
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&gt;
&gt;charles robinson wrote:
&gt;&gt; Remember that it sounds great for solo guitar to play ballads out of
&gt;tempo.
&gt;&gt; I like to state the head that way and then go into time for the
&gt;solos.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;That way you get to remind yourself how the song
&gt;goes before you get locked into a tempo. And if
&gt;you forget a piece of the song, you're just
&gt;improvising an intro, not fucking it up.

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