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Musik » alt.music.moody-blues » OT- The irony of Terry Schiavo
| OT- The irony of Terry Schiavo [message #217809] |
Sat, 19 March 2005 08:03 |
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Today I was listening to talk radio and I must say, the hypocrisy of
right wing political commentators never ceases to amaze me.
Specifically, I listened to some of Rush Limbaugh and Michael Savage
for today's round of comic relief. But it was not only these right
wing commentators that I took issue with, it seemed that the entire
right wing establishment was going bonkers over the Terry Schiavo
ordeal. The right wing pundits and their lackeys railed till they
were blue in the face about how evil and murderous it was that the
Florida state judge ordered the feeding tube removed at the wish of the
husband.
Even the Republicans legislators have gotten into the act, and
currently they are trying to pass a piece of legislation which will
prolong Terry's very sad and agonizing set of circumstances. Then,
I heard that President Bush had commented on this situation and he said
that he didn't agree with the judge's ruling, and there were rumors
that if needed, the President would consider sending federal marshalls
to reinsert the tube. I also heard that a lot of evangelical
christians were organizing around the hospital and demanding that the
feeding tube be reinserted.
You know what really astounds me about all of this? Here are all of
these people, all of whom are trying to act more pious than the other.
They are all pontificating about how this brain damaged woman in a
vegetative state shouldn't die and how removing the feeding tube isn't
the 'christian" thing to do. They feign fake tears and pretend that
they care so much about whether people live or die.
If these hypocrites truly were so compassionate about life, where was
the compassion when the US military dropped bomb after bomb on Iraq
killing 10's of thousands of Iraqi women and children? Certainly,
the lives of these people were worth more than the one life of a single
brain damaged woman they are making such a fuss about? Where was their
compassion when the civilians of Iraq were maimed, wounded and killed
by the weapons of war? Where was the outrage from these very same
people? Where were the evangelical christian soliders marching through
the streets in protest?
As I recall, the right wing was overjoyed at the prospects of war in
Iraq, and in fact they rushed into it without letting the inspectors
finish their jobs. When these same right wingers saw the carnage on
FOX NEWS, they sat back with their bowl of popcorn and enjoyed the
show. To them, the war in Iraq was like watching the Superbowl.
Whenever another bomb dropped, or whenever another machine gun fired,
they celebrated like their favorite team had just made a touch down.
Whenever it came to their attention that innocent civilians - even
young children- were killed in so called collateral damage, it was no
big deal to these very same people who are now wailing over Terry
Schiavo. That is the irony.
When will we call these people out on their hypocrisy? I wonder if
even one Democrat in the Senate will have the courage to do it when the
Republicans push their legislation to "save" Terry Schiavo, a woman who
is brain dead in a vegetative state with no realistic chance of
rehabilitation, in the Senate? Will not one stand up up and call out
these blatant hypocrites and lying con men?
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| Re: OT- The irony of Terry Schiavo [message #217811 ] |
Sat, 19 March 2005 08:27 |
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On 18 Mar 2005 23:03:32 -0800, tysteel43 [at] aol.com wrote:
>............... Will not one stand up up and call out
>these blatant hypocrites and lying con men?
We can all stand up.
It's called voting.
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| Re: OT- The irony of Terry Schiavo [message #217812 ] |
Sat, 19 March 2005 09:52 |
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<tysteel43 [at] aol.com> wrote in message
news:1111215812.827275.287440 [at] o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> Today I was listening to talk radio and I must say, the hypocrisy of
> right wing political commentators never ceases to amaze me.
> Specifically, I listened to some of Rush Limbaugh and Michael Savage
> for today's round of comic relief. But it was not only these right
> wing commentators that I took issue with, it seemed that the entire
> right wing establishment was going bonkers over the Terry Schiavo
> ordeal. The right wing pundits and their lackeys railed till they
> were blue in the face about how evil and murderous it was that the
> Florida state judge ordered the feeding tube removed at the wish of the
> husband.
>
> Even the Republicans legislators have gotten into the act, and
> currently they are trying to pass a piece of legislation which will
> prolong Terry's very sad and agonizing set of circumstances. Then,
> I heard that President Bush had commented on this situation and he said
> that he didn't agree with the judge's ruling, and there were rumors
> that if needed, the President would consider sending federal marshalls
> to reinsert the tube. I also heard that a lot of evangelical
> christians were organizing around the hospital and demanding that the
> feeding tube be reinserted.
>
> You know what really astounds me about all of this? Here are all of
> these people, all of whom are trying to act more pious than the other.
> They are all pontificating about how this brain damaged woman in a
> vegetative state shouldn't die and how removing the feeding tube isn't
> the 'christian" thing to do. They feign fake tears and pretend that
> they care so much about whether people live or die.
>
> If these hypocrites truly were so compassionate about life, where was
> the compassion when the US military dropped bomb after bomb on Iraq
> killing 10's of thousands of Iraqi women and children? Certainly,
> the lives of these people were worth more than the one life of a single
> brain damaged woman they are making such a fuss about? Where was their
> compassion when the civilians of Iraq were maimed, wounded and killed
> by the weapons of war? Where was the outrage from these very same
> people? Where were the evangelical christian soliders marching through
> the streets in protest?
>
> As I recall, the right wing was overjoyed at the prospects of war in
> Iraq, and in fact they rushed into it without letting the inspectors
> finish their jobs. When these same right wingers saw the carnage on
> FOX NEWS, they sat back with their bowl of popcorn and enjoyed the
> show. To them, the war in Iraq was like watching the Superbowl.
> Whenever another bomb dropped, or whenever another machine gun fired,
> they celebrated like their favorite team had just made a touch down.
> Whenever it came to their attention that innocent civilians - even
> young children- were killed in so called collateral damage, it was no
> big deal to these very same people who are now wailing over Terry
> Schiavo. That is the irony.
>
> When will we call these people out on their hypocrisy? I wonder if
> even one Democrat in the Senate will have the courage to do it when the
> Republicans push their legislation to "save" Terry Schiavo, a woman who
> is brain dead in a vegetative state with no realistic chance of
> rehabilitation, in the Senate? Will not one stand up up and call out
> these blatant hypocrites and lying con men?
>
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| Re: OT- The irony of Terry Schiavo [message #217813 ] |
Sat, 19 March 2005 09:52 |
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<tysteel43 [at] aol.com> wrote in message
news:1111215812.827275.287440 [at] o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> Today I was listening to talk radio and I must say, the hypocrisy of
> right wing political commentators never ceases to amaze me.
> Specifically, I listened to some of Rush Limbaugh and Michael Savage
> for today's round of comic relief. But it was not only these right
> wing commentators that I took issue with, it seemed that the entire
> right wing establishment was going bonkers over the Terry Schiavo
> ordeal. The right wing pundits and their lackeys railed till they
> were blue in the face about how evil and murderous it was that the
> Florida state judge ordered the feeding tube removed at the wish of the
> husband.
>
> Even the Republicans legislators have gotten into the act, and
> currently they are trying to pass a piece of legislation which will
> prolong Terry's very sad and agonizing set of circumstances. Then,
> I heard that President Bush had commented on this situation and he said
> that he didn't agree with the judge's ruling, and there were rumors
> that if needed, the President would consider sending federal marshalls
> to reinsert the tube. I also heard that a lot of evangelical
> christians were organizing around the hospital and demanding that the
> feeding tube be reinserted.
>
> You know what really astounds me about all of this? Here are all of
> these people, all of whom are trying to act more pious than the other.
> They are all pontificating about how this brain damaged woman in a
> vegetative state shouldn't die and how removing the feeding tube isn't
> the 'christian" thing to do. They feign fake tears and pretend that
> they care so much about whether people live or die.
>
> If these hypocrites truly were so compassionate about life, where was
> the compassion when the US military dropped bomb after bomb on Iraq
> killing 10's of thousands of Iraqi women and children? Certainly,
> the lives of these people were worth more than the one life of a single
> brain damaged woman they are making such a fuss about? Where was their
> compassion when the civilians of Iraq were maimed, wounded and killed
> by the weapons of war? Where was the outrage from these very same
> people? Where were the evangelical christian soliders marching through
> the streets in protest?
>
> As I recall, the right wing was overjoyed at the prospects of war in
> Iraq, and in fact they rushed into it without letting the inspectors
> finish their jobs. When these same right wingers saw the carnage on
> FOX NEWS, they sat back with their bowl of popcorn and enjoyed the
> show. To them, the war in Iraq was like watching the Superbowl.
> Whenever another bomb dropped, or whenever another machine gun fired,
> they celebrated like their favorite team had just made a touch down.
> Whenever it came to their attention that innocent civilians - even
> young children- were killed in so called collateral damage, it was no
> big deal to these very same people who are now wailing over Terry
> Schiavo. That is the irony.
>
> When will we call these people out on their hypocrisy? I wonder if
> even one Democrat in the Senate will have the courage to do it when the
> Republicans push their legislation to "save" Terry Schiavo, a woman who
> is brain dead in a vegetative state with no realistic chance of
> rehabilitation, in the Senate? Will not one stand up up and call out
> these blatant hypocrites and lying con men?
>
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| Re: OT- The irony of Terry Schiavo [message #217814 ] |
Sat, 19 March 2005 09:57 |
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<tysteel43 [at] aol.com> wrote in message
news:1111215812.827275.287440 [at] o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> Today I was listening to talk radio and I must say, the hypocrisy of
> right wing political commentators never ceases to amaze me.
> Specifically, I listened to some of Rush Limbaugh and Michael Savage
> for today's round of comic relief. But it was not only these right
> wing commentators that I took issue with, it seemed that the entire
> right wing establishment was going bonkers over the Terry Schiavo
> ordeal. The right wing pundits and their lackeys railed till they
> were blue in the face about how evil and murderous it was that the
> Florida state judge ordered the feeding tube removed at the wish of the
> husband.
>
> Even the Republicans legislators have gotten into the act, and
> currently they are trying to pass a piece of legislation which will
> prolong Terry's very sad and agonizing set of circumstances. Then,
> I heard that President Bush had commented on this situation and he said
> that he didn't agree with the judge's ruling, and there were rumors
> that if needed, the President would consider sending federal marshalls
> to reinsert the tube. I also heard that a lot of evangelical
> christians were organizing around the hospital and demanding that the
> feeding tube be reinserted.
>
> You know what really astounds me about all of this? Here are all of
> these people, all of whom are trying to act more pious than the other.
> They are all pontificating about how this brain damaged woman in a
> vegetative state shouldn't die and how removing the feeding tube isn't
> the 'christian" thing to do. They feign fake tears and pretend that
> they care so much about whether people live or die.
>
> If these hypocrites truly were so compassionate about life, where was
> the compassion when the US military dropped bomb after bomb on Iraq
> killing 10's of thousands of Iraqi women and children? Certainly,
> the lives of these people were worth more than the one life of a single
> brain damaged woman they are making such a fuss about? Where was their
> compassion when the civilians of Iraq were maimed, wounded and killed
> by the weapons of war? Where was the outrage from these very same
> people? Where were the evangelical christian soliders marching through
> the streets in protest?
>
> As I recall, the right wing was overjoyed at the prospects of war in
> Iraq, and in fact they rushed into it without letting the inspectors
> finish their jobs. When these same right wingers saw the carnage on
> FOX NEWS, they sat back with their bowl of popcorn and enjoyed the
> show. To them, the war in Iraq was like watching the Superbowl.
> Whenever another bomb dropped, or whenever another machine gun fired,
> they celebrated like their favorite team had just made a touch down.
> Whenever it came to their attention that innocent civilians - even
> young children- were killed in so called collateral damage, it was no
> big deal to these very same people who are now wailing over Terry
> Schiavo. That is the irony.
>
> When will we call these people out on their hypocrisy? I wonder if
> even one Democrat in the Senate will have the courage to do it when the
> Republicans push their legislation to "save" Terry Schiavo, a woman who
> is brain dead in a vegetative state with no realistic chance of
> rehabilitation, in the Senate? Will not one stand up up and call out
> these blatant hypocrites and lying con men?
>
Oops! I was so impressed with all of the research in this piece that I hit
reply without responding...TWICE!
You must feel very strongly about this Ty, but she is not in a hospital nor
is she brain-dead. (She's in a hospice.) I would have to agree with Nida's
response on this one. Personally, I feel so sorry for the woman that she has
had the same pathetic photos/films of her run over and over and over on
various news outlets. If this woman really didn't want to continue in this
manner, she would really be upset over that aspect. I hope people who are
paying any sort of attention to this situation and have strong feelings of
their own take the time to make out living wills.
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| Re: OT- The irony of Terry Schiavo [message #217817 ] |
Sat, 19 March 2005 19:30 |
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On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 03:57:40 -0500, "azure spirit"
<gknagy [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>Oops! I was so impressed with all of the research in this piece that I hit
>reply without responding...TWICE!
LOL, I wondered about that.
> I hope people who are paying any sort of attention to this situation and have strong feelings of
>their own take the time to make out living wills.
After a few years of working in the medical field, I have had
a living will for quite a while. My beliefs are for no intervention
in any way, shape or form, let what will be, be!
Then again, the thought of letting someone slowly starve to
death doesn't set well with me. This will be talked about much in all
my gatherings this weekend... OFF to Seattle!!!
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| Re: OT- The irony of Terry Schiavo [message #217818 ] |
Mon, 21 March 2005 02:26 |
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***After a few years of working in the medical field, I have had
a living will for quite a while. My beliefs are for no intervention
in any way, shape or form, let what will be, be!
Amen; I don't have a living will but I've told my brother and sisters
what not to do if I'm beyond all hope. Not only do I not want them to
prolong any suffering I may be going through, I don't wish them to
prolong any agony they may feel in hoping for a recovery that may never
happen.
***Then again, the thought of letting someone slowly starve to
death doesn't set well with me. This will be talked about much in all
my gatherings this weekend... OFF to Seattle!!!
Same here but I've often thought the solution in the Terri Schiavo
case would be to allow her husband to divorce her and let her parents
take on the responsibility. I get an uneasy feeling watching the
footage of her as though pulling the feeding tube may be the wrong
thing to do. But, I get an even worse feeling with the various
religious groups and politicians intrude into the situation. They are
the same group of people that can be found hollering about wanting
government to stay out of people's lives and affairs except when it
suits their agenda for the government to butt in. They're also the
group of people who likewise whine incessantly over any decision by the
Supreme Court which conflicts with their point of view and who whine
their view is the same as the majority of people in the US. What they
seem to forget is this country's constitution was written with the view
that the majority rules but not at the expense of the minority.
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| Re: OT- The irony of Terry Schiavo [message #218239 ] |
Mon, 21 March 2005 19:27 |
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Good points about the war, Ty. On this subject I agree with you.
I think the federal government interference into this is appalling.
Put the media on a case and the right flock to any opportunity to
impress their constituents. The true Christian thing to do would be to
let this woman go home to God, where her spirit will finally be free.
What should be done is to give her a morphine overdose so she doesn't
have to starve to death -- but unfortunately, that's not legal.
We need a right to death movement in this country. Free Dr. Kevorkian
Now!!!
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| Re: OT- The irony of Terry Schiavo [message #218240 ] |
Mon, 21 March 2005 19:35 |
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It's all over now. Terri will outlive her parents on the feeding tube.
Bush awakened to sign Schiavo bill
WHITE HOUSE It wasn't a dream that woke up the president pretty early
this morning -- but rather a staff secretary.
Bush was woken up at 12:42 this morning to sign the bill letting a
federal court step into the Terry Schiavo (SHY'-voh) case. The
president stepped out of his bedroom and into his private residence's
hallway to sign the bill shortly after the House passed it. Both
chambers of Congress had met in extraordinary weekend sessions to
approve the bill.
Bush said in a statement that he will side with "defending life for all
Americans." The law gives Schiavo's parents the right to go to federal
court to try to have their brain-damaged daughter's feeding tube
reinserted.
Copyright 2005 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may
not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
_________
We can get a living will for $12 that is legal in every state.
http://www.1stoplegal.com/forms/willsliving.htm?Google
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| Re: OT- The irony of Terry Schiavo [message #218246 ] |
Tue, 22 March 2005 01:28 |
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Well,
I have heard that Mr. Schiavo is suspicious, that maybe he tried to
actually kill Terry 15 years ago. Terry could have received more
treatment but Mr. Schiavo always refused for her. Could it be that if
Terry spoke, she might turn him in? He now has a "common law" wife,
two children from her, (whatever happened till death do us part), and
may have had an affair even when Terry was well (my dad would have said
"O Cripes" to that!). I think there is something suspicious going on.
Nep
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| Re: OT- The irony of Terry Schiavo [message #218248 ] |
Tue, 22 March 2005 05:13 |
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Hmmm...where's Geoffrey Fieger when you need him?
<cathyw [at] myself.com> wrote in message
news:1111429639.274765.220100 [at] g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Good points about the war, Ty. On this subject I agree with you.
>
> I think the federal government interference into this is appalling.
> Put the media on a case and the right flock to any opportunity to
> impress their constituents. The true Christian thing to do would be to
> let this woman go home to God, where her spirit will finally be free.
>
> What should be done is to give her a morphine overdose so she doesn't
> have to starve to death -- but unfortunately, that's not legal.
>
> We need a right to death movement in this country. Free Dr. Kevorkian
> Now!!!
>
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| Re: OT- The irony of Terry Schiavo [message #218249 ] |
Tue, 22 March 2005 05:15 |
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Do you even know the reason why Terri is in this condition today??
"NeptuneBob" <RJCHe4t [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1111451308.415873.313720 [at] o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> Well,
> I have heard that Mr. Schiavo is suspicious, that maybe he tried to
> actually kill Terry 15 years ago. Terry could have received more
> treatment but Mr. Schiavo always refused for her. Could it be that if
> Terry spoke, she might turn him in? He now has a "common law" wife,
> two children from her, (whatever happened till death do us part), and
> may have had an affair even when Terry was well (my dad would have said
> "O Cripes" to that!). I think there is something suspicious going on.
> Nep
>
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| Re: OT- The irony of Terry Schiavo [message #218467 ] |
Wed, 23 March 2005 00:53 |
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azure spirit wrote:
> Do you even know the reason why Terri is in this condition today??
I don't, because all the reports here use a euphemism. However, it
sounds like bulimia.
---
John W. Kennedy
"...if you had to fall in love with someone who was evil, I can see why
it was her."
-- "Alias"
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| Re: OT- The irony of Terry Schiavo [message #218469 ] |
Wed, 23 March 2005 01:22 |
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"John W. Kennedy" <jwkenne [at] attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:ce20e.792$O82.724 [at] fe12.lga...
> azure spirit wrote:
>> Do you even know the reason why Terri is in this condition today??
>
> I don't, because all the reports here use a euphemism. However, it sounds
> like bulimia.
Yep. IMO, they should be using this terrible situation to warn people of the
real health dangers of bulimia.
>
> ---
> John W. Kennedy
> "...if you had to fall in love with someone who was evil, I can see why it
> was her."
> -- "Alias"
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| Re: OT- The irony of Terry Schiavo [message #219674 ] |
Fri, 25 March 2005 16:12 |
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I'm sure he doesn't.
azure spirit wrote:
> Do you even know the reason why Terri is in this condition today??
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| Re: OT- The irony of Terri Schiavo [message #219728 ] |
Wed, 30 March 2005 07:06 |
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NeptuneBob wrote:
> Well,
> I have heard that Mr. Schiavo is suspicious, that maybe he tried to
> actually kill Terry 15 years ago. Terry could have received more
> treatment but Mr. Schiavo always refused for her. Could it be that
if
> Terry spoke, she might turn him in? He now has a "common law" wife,
> two children from her, (whatever happened till death do us part), and
> may have had an affair even when Terry was well (my dad would have
said
> "O Cripes" to that!). I think there is something suspicious going
on.
> Nep
Nep, I've heard a lot of what you've just said repeated by right wing
kooks like Michael Savage. There is absolutely no basis to the claims,
and if there were, I'm sure it would've been thorougly investigated
already.
I'm just amazed at the hypocrisy of the Republicans on this issue of
Terri Schiavo. I heard that the Florida legislature is going to try a
last ditch effort tomorrow to "save" Terri. They talk about the
sanctity of marriage, but they want to throw all of that out of the
window in this case. If marriage were so sacred to them as they claim,
then how come they don't give the husband the benefit of the doubt to
make the crucial decisions regarding his wife? If they really believed
in sanctity of marriage, then why hasn't it dawned on them yet that the
husband, Michael Schiavo, should be the ultimate authority on his wife
as opposed to other parties such as the parents? What irony from the
hypocritical Republicans and religious right. They want to have it
both ways where they can pick and choose what times it's sacred or has
sanctity. Marriage to them is only sacred in situations where they can
use it to fear monger and deny the same thing to the homosexuals.
Also, the right wingers whine about activist judges, yet they are
attacking these state judges in Florida who are properly following the
law! What hypocrisy. They want to circumvent the laws. Also, the
religious right loves to crow about how everyone should be saved by
Jesus so they can go to heaven when they die. Well, if heaven is such
a wonderful place, why are they putting up such a battle for Terry to
continue on in a vegetative state when she could just die and go to
this heaven? Wouldn't that be better for her? Isn't that the
merciful thing to do? I get the impression that a lot of these so
called religious people holding signs outside the hospice are self
righteous clowns who really don't believe in half of what they preach.
I don't believe that any sane human being would want to live in the
state that Terri Schiavo is in. I think that the judges have made the
right decisons. I'm sorry that she is in that state, but I think her
parents need to let go. I'm sorry that she is having to starve and be
without hydration, but from what I understand, she can't feel the pain
anyway since her cerebral cortex is pretty much gone. the Republicans
are really working for this issue because they think Terri will make a
great political bumper sticker. I really doubt they give a rats ass
about her personally or her family.
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| Re: OT- The irony of Terri Schiavo [message #219729 ] |
Wed, 30 March 2005 08:05 |
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Ty,
Michael Shiavo does not appear to be a nice man. Actually, I didn't
know that being the husband would give the man so much power. My
father believed that a married man should never be unfaithful and this
man is. Once I worked in an overheated office where the water fountain
was at the other end of the hall and was often thirsty (though
certainly not as much as Terri) and no, that does not feel good. I just
can't believe that a whole nation cannot help in a situation like this
because one man says no.
Have you noticed that we don't know what career Mr. Schiavo has? I
wonder if he is a lawyer or a car dealer and he thought us knowing his
career would make him look bad. He could not be in an career with
clientele, such as a hairdresser. He would lose all his clientele!
Nep
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| Re: OT- The irony of Terri Schiavo [message #219732 ] |
Wed, 30 March 2005 19:33 |
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Nep, it's because this sleezebucket has so much power that he has
become the man he is. (That came from a former friend of his.) He has 2
children by Jodi. He should give Terri back to her family.
Michael Sciavo has a nursing degree. Supposedly, he became a nurse to
take care of his wife. My God! The least he could've done was divorce
Terri before getting Jodi pregnant.
If the 12 court judges don't rule soon, Terri will be dead. If that
happens, I hope she comes back to haunt him.
Leah
NeptuneBob wrote:
> Ty,
> Michael Shiavo does not appear to be a nice man. Actually, I didn't
> know that being the husband would give the man so much power. My
> father believed that a married man should never be unfaithful and
this
> man is. Once I worked in an overheated office where the water
fountain
> was at the other end of the hall and was often thirsty (though
> certainly not as much as Terri) and no, that does not feel good. I
just
> can't believe that a whole nation cannot help in a situation like
this
> because one man says no.
>
> Have you noticed that we don't know what career Mr. Schiavo has? I
> wonder if he is a lawyer or a car dealer and he thought us knowing
his
> career would make him look bad. He could not be in an career with
> clientele, such as a hairdresser. He would lose all his clientele!
> Nep
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| Re: OT- The irony of Terri Schiavo [message #219744 ] |
Wed, 30 March 2005 22:02 |
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He has a degree in NURSING!?!?. Oh, gee, I hope I never get sick.
Nep
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| Re: OT- The irony of Terri Schiavo [message #219746 ] |
Thu, 31 March 2005 01:26 |
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NeptuneBob wrote:
> Ty,
> Michael Shiavo does not appear to be a nice man.
I don't think any of us would be smiling or cheerful if we were the
target of death threats and harrassment by religious zealots and kooks.
Not only has Michael Schiavo been directly threatened, but so have
other members of his family like his sister who has absolutely NOTHING
to do with this case. None of us know Michael Shiavo personally to
even fairly judge if he is "nice" or not. And what is "nice" anyway?
Everyone has a different definition.
> Actually, I didn't
> know that being the husband would give the man so much power.
Naturally, next of kin would legally be the guardian in this case.
My
> father believed that a married man should never be unfaithful and
this
> man is.
>From what I heard, The Schindlers even encouraged Michael Schiavo to
see other women when it was clear that Terri would not improve. This
was supposedly before Michael and the family had a falling out over
money.
And why shouldn't Michael continue on with his life? A lot of you have
a lot of misconceptions about the case because you are listening to
hacks like Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh - both of whom never get the
facts straight. Some might say "how come Michael doesn't divorce her
and give her back to the family", like if she is a yard tool or
something. Well, it's not all that easy in this case. Especially when
Terri can not consent to the divorce because she is in a vegetative
state. It is also problematic for a court to decide what Terri's would
want in a hypothetical divorce settlement when she is in a persistent
vegetative state. Besides, according to Michael and two other
witnesses, it was Terri's wish that she not live in such a state. And
I'm sure one other reason why he doesn't divorce her is because he
wants to see through her "wish" which she expressed about not wanting
to be maintained in such a state.
>Once I worked in an overheated office where the water fountain
> was at the other end of the hall and was often thirsty (though
> certainly not as much as Terri) and no, that does not feel good.
It does not feel good, but don't worry, Terri can not feel pain anyway
according to the dozen doctors or so who examined her over the years
and determined that her cerebral cortex is gone and replaced by spinal
fluid.
And speaking of more hypocrisy, the Republicans are preaching about how
it is immoral that it the woman is being denied food and hydration via
a tube, and that government has an obligation to ensure that this woman
has her tube reinserted. Yet, they don't see it as immoral when they
cut back welfare, food stamps, and other programs designed to help the
needy, and as a result, those who depended on those
programs..especially young children...go to sleep hungry and thirsty.
How ironic.
>I just
> can't believe that a whole nation cannot help in a situation like
this
> because one man says no.
You still don't have the facts of the case straight. The court
determined that it was Terri's wish that if she were in such a state,
she didn't want to be maintained. This was not based on the word of
Michael Schiavo alone, but some other witnesses came forward and signed
affidavits. Supposedly, she mentioned this to others when one of her
relatives, I believe it was her grandmother, was on a life support
machine.
Even if Michael could somehow walk away and "give" Terri back to her
parents, the court would just tell the new guardians, "fulfill the
court order and remove the feeding tube." The parents would be
ordered to comply with what the court deterimined: it was Terri's wish
that she not live in such a state. This is not about Michael and the
Schindlers anymore. It is what the court determined was Terri's wish.
The only way it could be changed is if Michael and the other witnesses
stepped forward and said they lied about hearing Terri express an
opinion one way or the other about this. Then, there might be strong
legal grounds for a judge to overturn and have the tube reinserted.
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| Re: OT- The irony of Terri Schiavo [message #219751 ] |
Thu, 31 March 2005 02:58 |
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tystee... [at] aol.com wrote:
> > I don't think any of us would be smiling or cheerful if we were the
> target of death threats and harrassment by religious zealots and
kooks.
>
Ty, I had seen him on Larry King and as my dad would say, he doesn't
seem to smile much. As for the threats, he brought them upon himself.
And what is his family saying to him? My sisters, mother, and even the
ghost of my dad would be on my back if I did not give my wife back to
her parents and let her die.
None of us know Michael Shiavo personally to
> even fairly judge if he is "nice" or not.
Have you noticed that he never said what his career was? Becuase it
might make him look bad? They show him in an office with a gold
bracelet, could he be in car sales? bill collection? lawyer? It has to
be a profession where you would not need customers or clientele because
I'm sure some customers would leave over this.
>
> >
>
> And why shouldn't Michael continue on with his life? A lot of you
have
> a lot of misconceptions about the case because you are listening to
> hacks like Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh - both of whom never get
the
> facts straight. Some might say "how come Michael doesn't divorce her
> and give her back to the family", like if she is a yard tool or
> something. Well, it's not all that easy in this case. Especially
when
> Terri can not consent to the divorce because she is in a vegetative
> state. It is also problematic for a court to decide what Terri's
would
> want in a hypothetical divorce settlement when she is in a persistent
> vegetative state. Besides, according to Michael and two other
> witnesses, it was Terri's wish that she not live in such a state.
And
> I'm sure one other reason why he doesn't divorce her is because he
> wants to see through her "wish" which she expressed about not wanting
> to be maintained in such a state.
>
All I know is that my dad would watch "Knots Landing" and would say "O
Cripes" if someone had an affair. About ten years ago my dad was
spending a lot of time at the Giant Eagle, a supermarket. We joked
with my mom that he might be having an affair with the checkout girls!
Mother said he could if he wanted to, but that Dad would NEVER be
unfaithful.
> It does not feel good, but don't worry, Terri can not feel pain
anyway
> according to the dozen doctors or so who examined her over the years
> and determined that her cerebral cortex is gone and replaced by
spinal
> fluid.
Perhaps the spinal fluid is serving as a reservoir. But hearing about
her plight and having worked in the overheated office - I feel her
distress. BTW, the lack of water could be an OSHA violation and we
could have gone to the union about that if they had a contract in
effect. Management eventually had us work from home, solving that
problem for them.
> You still don't have the facts of the case straight. The court
> determined that it was Terri's wish that if she were in such a state,
> she didn't want to be maintained. This was not based on the word of
> Michael Schiavo alone, but some other witnesses came forward and
signed
> affidavits. Supposedly, she mentioned this to others when one of
her
> relatives, I believe it was her grandmother, was on a life support
> machine.
>
Ty, have you considered law school? You seem to be able to argue.
Nep
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| Re: OT- The irony of Terri Schiavo [message #219755 ] |
Thu, 31 March 2005 04:20 |
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Well well,
You have *some* good sense afterall there Ty. I say Teri's husband has
been villified long enough. The parents are supposedly loving, caring
people, that is of no argument but to assume they should take over
guardianship of Teri, becuz they want her to live no matter what state
she's in, even if she was a hunk of molten flesh, they'd still want her
to live, it's over.
All the conjectures, and assumptions about self appointed "Godly"
people throwing darts at what Michael is all about, is so typical of
the way the shit-ola here gets DEEP on the Net. I say bravo for HIM
for standing by Teri, all these years to exceed to Teri's wishes.
I hope she passes on in peace soon. The autopsy will show her brain
has shrunk. But no doubt the arguing will continue. It's astounding
these idiot PRO-LIFERS were willing to KILL.....over this, but that too
is so typical. No one bothers to mention how Michael was so zealous to
help Teri, there was a Restraining Order put in effect on him for him
demanding his wife be cared for.
How ever anyone could ever begin to say that Michael brought this on
himself is unbelievable, and assinine actually, how would any of us
maintain our dignity and privacy with the intrusions of self appointed
know it alls making up more and more ridiculous rumors to validate
THEIR opinions in this matter that should have stayed private and away
from the media? Where is the huge outcry for the injustices that are
committed on an almost daily basis against citizens who have worked and
paid INTO the system only to be screwed out anything they are entitled
too, becuz some needy person demanded they have their day in the sun?
We're an over populated, over generated, under appreciated for nature
kind of people. Didn't the Moodys sing about being in touch with
nature? Where are we now? Too many of us....that's where we are, and
to argue over one human being blah blah blah.
Or why as USA citizens are we sending billions of dollars to Third
World countries, when we have homeless people right here, under our
very own noses?
Blue Jay
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| Re: OT- The irony of Terri Schiavo [message #219763 ] |
Thu, 31 March 2005 16:34 |
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Amen, Blue Jay and Ty!
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| Re: OT- The irony of Terri Schiavo [message #219765 ] |
Thu, 31 March 2005 17:55 |
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I was just thinking (uh-oh) and started wondering why everyone is so
polarized on this subject. It came to me that the reason may be
because we, the "boomers", are quickly approaching the age when (and
you'll notice I said "when" not "if" because I doubt many of us will be
lucky enough to be happily engaged in whatever gives us pleasure one
moment and keel over dead the next - personally, I wouldn't mind going
in the middle of a Moodies concert...perhaps during "The Actor" or
"Nights") this will happen to us, and we are terrified because we know
how badly death and disablement are managed.
As a country, America in general does not believe in death. There is no
such thing as a tragic accident - some one is always to blame, and we
fear growing old (yet we have figured out ways to make people live
longer and longer) but we're scared of all the miseries that come with
that - usually a certain amount of pain or even "vegetative states"
such as in cases of stroke or prolonged heart stoppage and the
resultant deprivation of oxygen to the brain - which of course, can
happen at any age, but is more likely in the elderly.
We're so afraid of it and in such denial, that we are almost paralyzed
with terror and have not made much progress in death management, and
that includes most of all Pain Management and the helplessness and loss
of dignity (as well as bankruptcy for the remaining family) that go
with it as our system stands now.
I believe that once our country accepts death as a natural process,
stops interfering and artificially trying to manipulate the length of
"life", and every individual has the power in their own hands to decide
just how much misery each of us feels we want to endure, this kind of
discussion will not divide us like it does now.
We'd better get on the ball and resolve this soon because it is
something everyone, like it or not, will have to face, and for a huge
segment of our population, it's coming. Faster than we want to admit.
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| Re: OT- The irony of Terri Schiavo [message #221131 ] |
Thu, 31 March 2005 21:53 |
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On 31 Mar 2005 07:55:13 -0800, "AStrangeTime" <astrangetime [at] yahoo.com>
wrote:
>As a country, America in general does not believe in death.
>We're so afraid of it and in such denial, that we are almost paralyzed
>with terror.
All things must pass, There's no way out of it. Until you
understand and accept this, you will live in fear.
I am indeed ready.
I have plans done, and wishes written.
Don't take life to seriously, you'll never get out of it alive!! ;)
But then I tell people......
I'll be back!
2.
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| Re: OT- The irony of Terri Schiavo [message #221134 ] |
Thu, 31 March 2005 18:09 |
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As an update, I just heard that Terry Schiavo passed away this morning.
God Rest Her Soul.
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| Re: OT- The irony of Terry Schiavo [message #221192 ] |
Mon, 04 April 2005 03:11 |
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Poor Terri. We may never know what really happened. The important thing
is she's at peace now.
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| Re: OT- The irony of Terry Schiavo [message #221194 ] |
Mon, 04 April 2005 04:25 |
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Perhaps.
Skyvoice
"Lily" <lavenderlily2004 [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1112577088.386731.10170 [at] o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> The important thing
> is she's at peace now.
>
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| Re: OT- The irony of Terry Schiavo [message #221602 ] |
Mon, 04 April 2005 23:37 |
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Blue Jay wrote:
I don't feel sorry for Teri one bit, I'm relieved FOR HER. To be
> embodied in such a diminshed state as she was, and to be argued over
by
> what appears to be parents running amok with wanting control over
their
> ADULT MARRIED daughter.
>
> I feel badly for her husband....being villified and threatened with
> death for going the distance FOR HIS WIFE.
>
> When the autopsy report is released, no doubt there will be more
> speculation instead of seeing what it will be: she was done 15 years
> ago.
That is what I meant when I referred to her as "Poor Terri." All of the
fighting over whether her feeding tube would be removed or not while
she was a prisoner in her own body and not able to communicate her
wishes. I am glad it is over for her.
I agree with you about the death threats too. That was going too far. I
heard on Fox Network News that the threats were made by email. How
incredibly stupid! I mean, you can't just go around threatening
someone's life! I believe the judge's life was also threatened. And
Greta (can't remember her last name) said they were checking their
emails because the death threats had supposedly been sent to the
network!
Lily
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| Re: OT- The irony of Terry Schiavo [message #221603 ] |
Tue, 05 April 2005 00:00 |
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Wow, absolutely amazing Lily. One idiot PRO-LIFER was ARRESTED becuz
he was trying to KILL one of the Judges!!!!!!!!
Amazing....glad we agree then.
Thanks for yer input,
Blue Jay
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| Re: OT- The irony of Terry Schiavo [message #221604 ] |
Mon, 04 April 2005 23:59 |
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"Lily" <lavenderlily2004 [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1112650621.844662.45450 [at] l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> Blue Jay wrote:
> I don't feel sorry for Teri one bit, I'm relieved FOR HER. To be
>> embodied in such a diminshed state as she was, and to be argued over
> by
>> what appears to be parents running amok with wanting control over
> their
>> ADULT MARRIED daughter.
>>
>> I feel badly for her husband....being villified and threatened with
>> death for going the distance FOR HIS WIFE.
>>
>> When the autopsy report is released, no doubt there will be more
>> speculation instead of seeing what it will be: she was done 15 years
>> ago.
>
> That is what I meant when I referred to her as "Poor Terri." All of the
> fighting over whether her feeding tube would be removed or not while
> she was a prisoner in her own body and not able to communicate her
> wishes. I am glad it is over for her.
>
> I agree with you about the death threats too. That was going too far. I
> heard on Fox Network News that the threats were made by email. How
> incredibly stupid! I mean, you can't just go around threatening
> someone's life! I believe the judge's life was also threatened. And
> Greta (can't remember her last name)
Van Susteran
said they were checking their
> emails because the death threats had supposedly been sent to the
> network!
>
> Lily
>
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| Re: OT- The irony of Terry Schiavo [message #221606 ] |
Tue, 05 April 2005 00:32 |
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You're welcome, Blue Jay. :D And when questioned, the guy had the NERVE
to say it was a joke. A JOKE? Puleeze! He was dead serious (no pun
intended) when he made those threats. It got waaay out of hand.
Lily
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| Re: OT- The irony of Terry Schiavo [message #221607 ] |
Tue, 05 April 2005 00:36 |
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Thank you, azure spirit. I am not a regular viewer of her show and came
upon it by accident.
Lily
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| Re: OT- The irony of Terry Schiavo [message #221608 ] |
Tue, 05 April 2005 07:15 |
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tysteel43 [at] aol.com wrote:
> Today I was listening to talk radio and I must say, the hypocrisy of
> right wing political commentators never ceases to amaze me.
> Specifically, I listened to some of Rush Limbaugh and Michael Savage
> for today's round of comic relief.
Isan't the former host the one accused on OXYCONTIN usage? :-)
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| Re: OT- The irony of Terry Schiavo [message #221609 ] |
Tue, 05 April 2005 07:17 |
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Rush Limbaugh of coruse is the one who used drugs.
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