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Sun, 06 March 2005 21:38 |
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That Mike Pinder is a better keyboard player than Patrick Moraz? Can
someone actually tell me this with a straight face and say that they
actually believe that Mike is a far more brilliant musician or a better
player than Patrick?
Over the last few days, I've been listening a lot to Long Distance
Voyager and The Present. Last night I was listening to LDV again, and
I was amazed at how brilliant Patrick's playing actually was. The
keyboard intro to "the voice" is simply brilliant, and the sonic
sculptures and swirling sounds he paints around the rest of that song
are magnificent. He brings up the music to a whole new level. His
playing in "veteran cosmic rocker" is stunning. If Pinder had been the
keyboardist on that album, it wouldn't have been half as good.
I wish I could be as good of a keyboard player as Moraz!
It seems to me that with the addition of Moraz, there was a surge in
the energy level of the band's music as well. I think that Long
Distance Voyager and The Present can hold their own and are better than
most of the so called "core 7" albums. I know that a lot of fans of
the Moody Blues's early career don't like or appreciate The Other Side
Of Life, Sur La Mer, and Keys of the Kingdom because they are blatantly
more commercial and radio friendly, and that is true. But that is not
Moraz's fault. The band decided they wanted to be hip and
contemporary and compete with the likes of Duran Duran and the Cars.
They decided to no longer be a progressive rock band and instead become
an 80's contemporary band.
Considering that Moraz was, by leaps and bounds, a far better keyboard
player than Mike Pinder, I don't understand why the fans are clamoring
for Pinder's return instead of that of Moraz. To me, that's kind of
like asking for a generic prescription drug when you could have name
brand stuff! It's like deciding to buy a pair of Wal-mart brand shoes
instead of purchasing a pair of Nikes!
I guess the reason why so many fans are asking for Pinder's return is
just because of sentimental reasons or because they want to relive
their youth, and they associate that with Pinder since he was with the
band when they first fell in love with the music.
I will give him his just due and recognize that Pinder is talented and
an innovator. He help pave the way for a lot of the symphonic rock
sound. But was he the most talented keyboard player that the Moodies
had? The answer to that is simply "no". Based on merit and talent
alone, why would anyone want Pinder back instead of Moraz? Moraz is a
genius..the guy speaks like 20 languages or something and has released
like a zillion solo albums. What has Pinder done since he left the
Moodies? Not much. If Pinder was truly the genius behind the Moodies
as he purports to be, then why has he been completely stagnant since
the early 70's?
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| Re: does anyone honestly think... [message #211171 ] |
Sun, 06 March 2005 23:41 |
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Ty,
Certainly everyone is entitled to their own opinions. You have been more
than willing to share yours. That's fine! Don't you ever get tired of
banging your head against the brick wall though???
BTW....Duran Duran isn't doing too badly these days!
<tysteel43 [at] aol.com> wrote in message
news:1110141513.996098.202450 [at] f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> That Mike Pinder is a better keyboard player than Patrick Moraz? Can
> someone actually tell me this with a straight face and say that they
> actually believe that Mike is a far more brilliant musician or a better
> player than Patrick?
>
> Over the last few days, I've been listening a lot to Long Distance
> Voyager and The Present. Last night I was listening to LDV again, and
> I was amazed at how brilliant Patrick's playing actually was. The
> keyboard intro to "the voice" is simply brilliant, and the sonic
> sculptures and swirling sounds he paints around the rest of that song
> are magnificent. He brings up the music to a whole new level. His
> playing in "veteran cosmic rocker" is stunning. If Pinder had been the
> keyboardist on that album, it wouldn't have been half as good.
> I wish I could be as good of a keyboard player as Moraz!
>
> It seems to me that with the addition of Moraz, there was a surge in
> the energy level of the band's music as well. I think that Long
> Distance Voyager and The Present can hold their own and are better than
> most of the so called "core 7" albums. I know that a lot of fans of
> the Moody Blues's early career don't like or appreciate The Other Side
> Of Life, Sur La Mer, and Keys of the Kingdom because they are blatantly
> more commercial and radio friendly, and that is true. But that is not
> Moraz's fault. The band decided they wanted to be hip and
> contemporary and compete with the likes of Duran Duran and the Cars.
> They decided to no longer be a progressive rock band and instead become
> an 80's contemporary band.
>
> Considering that Moraz was, by leaps and bounds, a far better keyboard
> player than Mike Pinder, I don't understand why the fans are clamoring
> for Pinder's return instead of that of Moraz. To me, that's kind of
> like asking for a generic prescription drug when you could have name
> brand stuff! It's like deciding to buy a pair of Wal-mart brand shoes
> instead of purchasing a pair of Nikes!
>
> I guess the reason why so many fans are asking for Pinder's return is
> just because of sentimental reasons or because they want to relive
> their youth, and they associate that with Pinder since he was with the
> band when they first fell in love with the music.
>
> I will give him his just due and recognize that Pinder is talented and
> an innovator. He help pave the way for a lot of the symphonic rock
> sound. But was he the most talented keyboard player that the Moodies
> had? The answer to that is simply "no". Based on merit and talent
> alone, why would anyone want Pinder back instead of Moraz? Moraz is a
> genius..the guy speaks like 20 languages or something and has released
> like a zillion solo albums. What has Pinder done since he left the
> Moodies? Not much. If Pinder was truly the genius behind the Moodies
> as he purports to be, then why has he been completely stagnant since
> the early 70's?
>
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| Re: does anyone honestly think... [message #211172 ] |
Sun, 06 March 2005 23:42 |
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OOPS!!! I forgot to snip that previous post!
.....ducking for cover
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| Re: does anyone honestly think... [message #211173 ] |
Mon, 07 March 2005 00:47 |
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Ty, do you honestly think that anyone gives a shit about what you have
to say? You post the same old hum-drum, boring posts all the time. Go
play with your pocket protector unless you have something productive to
say.
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| Re: does anyone honestly think... [message #211174 ] |
Mon, 07 March 2005 02:12 |
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Ty, I don't think you should compare apples to oranges here...is Moraz a
better keyboard player than Pinder? Without a doubt, he is the more
technically proficient player, but being a brilliant keyboard player and
being a brilliant musician are two different things in my eyes. Do you think
Moraz could have done the arranging of all those wonderful songs on the core
7 albums that even Jus himself has stated that Pinder did? I don't think so.
Do you think that Moraz could sing with the warmth & sincerity that Pinder
brought to the group? I've heard Moraz sing and his voice is particularly
grating...is it any wonder he didn't sing on any Moody songs? While Mike's
songs were not commercially viable during the core 7 years (his songs were
of a very personal nature and were not designed as hit singles), his
songwriting skills showed a mastery of the pop format and he didn't write
songs that were designed to show off his playing skills. He contributed
Mellotron & Piano figures that were designed to embellish "that
sound"....the band has often described themselves as being greater than the
sum of their parts during the core 7 days. I always got the feeling that
Morass was simply marking time with the Moodies, they could have hired any
number of technically proficient keyboard players and gotten the same result
(Keith Emerson or Rick Wakeman anyone?). Hell, I saw Billy Joel perform
piano runs during his heyday in the late 70's that would've put Moraz to
shame.
Just compare the crap that Morass played on "The Story of I" to a
masterpiece like "Simple Game" & I think you know what I mean.
<tysteel43 [at] aol.com> wrote in message
news:1110141513.996098.202450 [at] f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> That Mike Pinder is a better keyboard player than Patrick Moraz? Can
> someone actually tell me this with a straight face and say that they
> actually believe that Mike is a far more brilliant musician or a better
> player than Patrick?
>
> Over the last few days, I've been listening a lot to Long Distance
> Voyager and The Present. Last night I was listening to LDV again, and
> I was amazed at how brilliant Patrick's playing actually was. The
> keyboard intro to "the voice" is simply brilliant, and the sonic
> sculptures and swirling sounds he paints around the rest of that song
> are magnificent. He brings up the music to a whole new level. His
> playing in "veteran cosmic rocker" is stunning. If Pinder had been the
> keyboardist on that album, it wouldn't have been half as good.
> I wish I could be as good of a keyboard player as Moraz!
>
> It seems to me that with the addition of Moraz, there was a surge in
> the energy level of the band's music as well. I think that Long
> Distance Voyager and The Present can hold their own and are better than
> most of the so called "core 7" albums. I know that a lot of fans of
> the Moody Blues's early career don't like or appreciate The Other Side
> Of Life, Sur La Mer, and Keys of the Kingdom because they are blatantly
> more commercial and radio friendly, and that is true. But that is not
> Moraz's fault. The band decided they wanted to be hip and
> contemporary and compete with the likes of Duran Duran and the Cars.
> They decided to no longer be a progressive rock band and instead become
> an 80's contemporary band.
>
> Considering that Moraz was, by leaps and bounds, a far better keyboard
> player than Mike Pinder, I don't understand why the fans are clamoring
> for Pinder's return instead of that of Moraz. To me, that's kind of
> like asking for a generic prescription drug when you could have name
> brand stuff! It's like deciding to buy a pair of Wal-mart brand shoes
> instead of purchasing a pair of Nikes!
>
> I guess the reason why so many fans are asking for Pinder's return is
> just because of sentimental reasons or because they want to relive
> their youth, and they associate that with Pinder since he was with the
> band when they first fell in love with the music.
>
> I will give him his just due and recognize that Pinder is talented and
> an innovator. He help pave the way for a lot of the symphonic rock
> sound. But was he the most talented keyboard player that the Moodies
> had? The answer to that is simply "no". Based on merit and talent
> alone, why would anyone want Pinder back instead of Moraz? Moraz is a
> genius..the guy speaks like 20 languages or something and has released
> like a zillion solo albums. What has Pinder done since he left the
> Moodies? Not much. If Pinder was truly the genius behind the Moodies
> as he purports to be, then why has he been completely stagnant since
> the early 70's?
>
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Mon, 07 March 2005 02:15 |
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A very good assessment of both players, but I strongly disagree with
your opinion of "The Story of I". That is a brilliant work.
jrs
Kevin Thurman wrote:
>Ty, I don't think you should compare apples to oranges here...is Moraz a
>better keyboard player than Pinder? Without a doubt, he is the more
>technically proficient player, but being a brilliant keyboard player and
>being a brilliant musician are two different things in my eyes. Do you think
>Moraz could have done the arranging of all those wonderful songs on the core
>7 albums that even Jus himself has stated that Pinder did? I don't think so.
>Do you think that Moraz could sing with the warmth & sincerity that Pinder
>brought to the group? I've heard Moraz sing and his voice is particularly
>grating...is it any wonder he didn't sing on any Moody songs? While Mike's
>songs were not commercially viable during the core 7 years (his songs were
>of a very personal nature and were not designed as hit singles), his
>songwriting skills showed a mastery of the pop format and he didn't write
>songs that were designed to show off his playing skills. He contributed
>Mellotron & Piano figures that were designed to embellish "that
>sound"....the band has often described themselves as being greater than the
>sum of their parts during the core 7 days. I always got the feeling that
>Morass was simply marking time with the Moodies, they could have hired any
>number of technically proficient keyboard players and gotten the same result
>(Keith Emerson or Rick Wakeman anyone?). Hell, I saw Billy Joel perform
>piano runs during his heyday in the late 70's that would've put Moraz to
>shame.
>
>Just compare the crap that Morass played on "The Story of I" to a
>masterpiece like "Simple Game" & I think you know what I mean.
>
>
><tysteel43 [at] aol.com> wrote in message
>news:1110141513.996098.202450 [at] f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
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>>That Mike Pinder is a better keyboard player than Patrick Moraz? Can
>>someone actually tell me this with a straight face and say that they
>>actually believe that Mike is a far more brilliant musician or a better
>>player than Patrick?
>>
>>Over the last few days, I've been listening a lot to Long Distance
>>Voyager and The Present. Last night I was listening to LDV again, and
>>I was amazed at how brilliant Patrick's playing actually was. The
>>keyboard intro to "the voice" is simply brilliant, and the sonic
>>sculptures and swirling sounds he paints around the rest of that song
>>are magnificent. He brings up the music to a whole new level. His
>>playing in "veteran cosmic rocker" is stunning. If Pinder had been the
>>keyboardist on that album, it wouldn't have been half as good.
>>I wish I could be as good of a keyboard player as Moraz!
>>
>>It seems to me that with the addition of Moraz, there was a surge in
>>the energy level of the band's music as well. I think that Long
>>Distance Voyager and The Present can hold their own and are better than
>>most of the so called "core 7" albums. I know that a lot of fans of
>>the Moody Blues's early career don't like or appreciate The Other Side
>>Of Life, Sur La Mer, and Keys of the Kingdom because they are blatantly
>>more commercial and radio friendly, and that is true. But that is not
>>Moraz's fault. The band decided they wanted to be hip and
>>contemporary and compete with the likes of Duran Duran and the Cars.
>>They decided to no longer be a progressive rock band and instead become
>>an 80's contemporary band.
>>
>>Considering that Moraz was, by leaps and bounds, a far better keyboard
>>player than Mike Pinder, I don't understand why the fans are clamoring
>>for Pinder's return instead of that of Moraz. To me, that's kind of
>>like asking for a generic prescription drug when you could have name
>>brand stuff! It's like deciding to buy a pair of Wal-mart brand shoes
>>instead of purchasing a pair of Nikes!
>>
>>I guess the reason why so many fans are asking for Pinder's return is
>>just because of sentimental reasons or because they want to relive
>>their youth, and they associate that with Pinder since he was with the
>>band when they first fell in love with the music.
>>
>>I will give him his just due and recognize that Pinder is talented and
>>an innovator. He help pave the way for a lot of the symphonic rock
>>sound. But was he the most talented keyboard player that the Moodies
>>had? The answer to that is simply "no". Based on merit and talent
>>alone, why would anyone want Pinder back instead of Moraz? Moraz is a
>>genius..the guy speaks like 20 languages or something and has released
>>like a zillion solo albums. What has Pinder done since he left the
>>Moodies? Not much. If Pinder was truly the genius behind the Moodies
>>as he purports to be, then why has he been completely stagnant since
>>the early 70's?
>>
>>
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A very good assessment of both players, but I strongly disagree with
your opinion of "The Story of I". That is a brilliant work.<br>
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jrs<br>
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<pre wrap="">Ty, I don't think you should compare apples to oranges here...is Moraz a
better keyboard player than Pinder? Without a doubt, he is the more
technically proficient player, but being a brilliant keyboard player and
being a brilliant musician are two different things in my eyes. Do you think
Moraz could have done the arranging of all those wonderful songs on the core
7 albums that even Jus himself has stated that Pinder did? I don't think so.
Do you think that Moraz could sing with the warmth & sincerity that Pinder
brought to the group? I've heard Moraz sing and his voice is particularly
grating...is it any wonder he didn't sing on any Moody songs? While Mike's
songs were not commercially viable during the core 7 years (his songs were
of a very personal nature and were not designed as hit singles), his
songwriting skills showed a mastery of the pop format and he didn't write
songs that were designed to show off his playing skills. He contributed
Mellotron & Piano figures that were designed to embellish "that
sound"....the band has often described themselves as being greater than the
sum of their parts during the core 7 days. I always got the feeling that
Morass was simply marking time with the Moodies, they could have hired any
number of technically proficient keyboard players and gotten the same result
(Keith Emerson or Rick Wakeman anyone?). Hell, I saw Billy Joel perform
piano runs during his heyday in the late 70's that would've put Moraz to
shame.
Just compare the crap that Morass played on "The Story of I" to a
masterpiece like "Simple Game" & I think you know what I mean.
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<pre wrap="">That Mike Pinder is a better keyboard player than Patrick Moraz? Can
someone actually tell me this with a straight face and say that they
actually believe that Mike is a far more brilliant musician or a better
player than Patrick?
Over the last few days, I've been listening a lot to Long Distance
Voyager and The Present. Last night I was listening to LDV again, and
I was amazed at how brilliant Patrick's playing actually was. The
keyboard intro to "the voice" is simply brilliant, and the sonic
sculptures and swirling sounds he paints around the rest of that song
are magnificent. He brings up the music to a whole new level. His
playing in "veteran cosmic rocker" is stunning. If Pinder had been the
keyboardist on that album, it wouldn't have been half as good.
I wish I could be as good of a keyboard player as Moraz!
It seems to me that with the addition of Moraz, there was a surge in
the energy level of the band's music as well. I think that Long
Distance Voyager and The Present can hold their own and are better than
most of the so called "core 7" albums. I know that a lot of fans of
the Moody Blues's early career don't like or appreciate The Other Side
Of Life, Sur La Mer, and Keys of the Kingdom because they are blatantly
more commercial and radio friendly, and that is true. But that is not
Moraz's fault. The band decided they wanted to be hip and
contemporary and compete with the likes of Duran Duran and the Cars.
They decided to no longer be a progressive rock band and instead become
an 80's contemporary band.
Considering that Moraz was, by leaps and bounds, a far better keyboard
player than Mike Pinder, I don't understand why the fans are clamoring
for Pinder's return instead of that of Moraz. To me, that's kind of
like asking for a generic prescription drug when you could have name
brand stuff! It's like deciding to buy a pair of Wal-mart brand shoes
instead of purchasing a pair of Nikes!
I guess the reason why so many fans are asking for Pinder's return is
just because of sentimental reasons or because they want to relive
their youth, and they associate that with Pinder since he was with the
band when they first fell in love with the music.
I will give him his just due and recognize that Pinder is talented and
an innovator. He help pave the way for a lot of the symphonic rock
sound. But was he the most talented keyboard player that the Moodies
had? The answer to that is simply "no". Based on merit and talent
alone, why would anyone want Pinder back instead of Moraz? Moraz is a
genius..the guy speaks like 20 languages or something and has released
like a zillion solo albums. What has Pinder done since he left the
Moodies? Not much. If Pinder was truly the genius behind the Moodies
as he purports to be, then why has he been completely stagnant since
the early 70's?
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Mon, 07 March 2005 05:13 |
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Kevin Thurman wrote:
> Ty, I don't think you should compare apples to oranges here...is
Moraz a
> better keyboard player than Pinder? Without a doubt, he is the more
> technically proficient player, but being a brilliant keyboard player
and
> being a brilliant musician are two different things in my eyes. Do
you think
> Moraz could have done the arranging of all those wonderful songs on
the core
> 7 albums that even Jus himself has stated that Pinder did?
Well, it's hypothetically possible that if Moraz had joined the band in
the late 60's and early 70's with the same vision of fusing orchestral
and rock sounds, the Moody Blues might've been a much bigger and
critically acclaimed band. Certainly, he would've brought the energy
level up.
Afterall, the band's biggest sellest album was Long Distance Voyager,
and I'm sure that really has got to chap Pinder's ass. No wonder he
sued them in an attempt to stop the sale of it. Pinder must've known
how much better it was than anything he could've done to it.
>I don't think so.
> Do you think that Moraz could sing with the warmth & sincerity that
Pinder
> brought to the group?
Pinder wasn't the best singer, or even the 2nd best singer, that this
band had. The Moodies had far better singers in Ray, Justin, and John.
I think your point is very irrelevant as the Moodies had too many lead
singers anyway.
I've heard Moraz sing and his voice is particularly
> grating...is it any wonder he didn't sing on any Moody songs? While
Mike's
> songs were not commercially viable during the core 7 years (his songs
were
> of a very personal nature and were not designed as hit singles), his
> songwriting skills showed a mastery of the pop format
There's a contradiction here. You say that his songs were not designed
as hit singles, but then you turn around and say that his skills showed
a mastery of the pop format? This is an oxymoron. If he had shown
such mastery, then he could reel off hit songs at ease, which wasn't
the case.
and he didn't write
> songs that were designed to show off his playing skills. He
contributed
> Mellotron & Piano figures that were designed to embellish "that
> sound"....the band has often described themselves as being greater
than the
> sum of their parts during the core 7 days. I always got the feeling
that
> Morass was simply marking time with the Moodies, they could have
hired any
> number of technically proficient keyboard players and gotten the same
result
Well, maybe, but I doubt it. The Moodies knew they were very lucky to
have found Moraz. You mention Emerson. Well, Emerson is basically a
self taught player whose playing would've been far too muscular
sounding for the Moodies. Wakeman's playing isn't as fluid as that of
Moraz and I don't think he would've bended to the egos of Hayward and
Lodge anyway. It's true that Moraz was very expensive to hire, but I
guess this is the trade-off for Justin & John not wanting Moraz's name
mentioned anywhere on the songwriting credits. Moraz arranged his own
keyboard parts, mostly by himself, with some suggestions from the
others. He also brought other ideas as well to their music. But I
don't think you'll ever hear about any of that since the Moodies did
the best they could to legally keep him quiet.
Sometime back, I wanted to do an interview with Moraz and ask him a
lot of Moody Blues related questions, but because of legal agreements
he had signed as part of the conclusion of the court tv lawsuit
(according to his publicist) there are a lot of Moody Blues things
which he can't talk about. If that is true, what are the Moodies
afraid of?
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| Re: does anyone honestly think... [message #213748 ] |
Mon, 07 March 2005 18:55 |
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> Sometime back, I wanted to do an interview with Moraz and ask him a
> lot of Moody Blues related questions, but because of legal agreements
> he had signed as part of the conclusion of the court tv lawsuit
> (according to his publicist) there are a lot of Moody Blues things
> which he can't talk about. If that is true, what are the Moodies
> afraid of?
Gag orders are the norm in contractual lawsuits. Both sides are
prohibited from speaking about the other as ordered by the court as
protection from future lawsuits. This is not likely an edict coming
from the band. Don't forget who sued who here, and Patrick lost.
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Tue, 08 March 2005 12:05 |
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tysteel43 [at] aol.com wrote in message news:<1110141513.996098.202450 [at] f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>...
> That Mike Pinder is a better keyboard player than Patrick Moraz? Can
> someone actually tell me this with a straight face and say that they
> actually believe that Mike is a far more brilliant musician or a better
> player than Patrick?
>
>
You don't seem to understand.... It's not who was a more accomplished
player, musically speaking... It is who was the best man for the job.
And that particular job is fitting for only one particular PERSON!.
It's like saying that Nick Hopkins would be a great all-around
substitute for Brian Jones.. Or that Jimmy Miller would have done just
fine standing in for Charlie Watts!
Your logic never surprises me. But what the hell.... You're
enthusiast.. You love the music. You have my blessing, at least that
much of it..
IBen Getiner
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Tue, 08 March 2005 15:13 |
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<tysteel43 [at] aol.com> wrote in message
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> That Mike Pinder is a better keyboard player than Patrick Moraz?
No, but Pinder is a better songwriter, which is what counted on the core 7
albums.
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Tue, 08 March 2005 15:14 |
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<tysteel43 [at] aol.com> wrote in message
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> Pinder wasn't the best singer, or even the 2nd best singer, that this
> band had.
He didn't need to be, because it was his band!
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Wed, 09 March 2005 03:30 |
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Gordon Hudson wrote:
> <tysteel43 [at] aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1110141513.996098.202450 [at] f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > That Mike Pinder is a better keyboard player than Patrick Moraz?
>
> No, but Pinder is a better songwriter, which is what counted on the
core 7
> albums.
Is Pinder a better composer? Not at all. Moraz wrote a lot of the
YES album, Relayer, which was a very successful album. A lot of his
solo stuff is very good as well, especially the instrumentals. I
think you should give a listen to Moraz's solo album, Out in the Sun,
where he writes a lot of songs that do sound like they could stand as
singles. I think the song "nervous breakdown" is very catchy.
Pinder could never have the ability or musical knowledge/depth to
compose music as Moraz could.
But I will concede you one point. Pinder is a better lyricist than
Moraz, but isn't a better composer.
I want to add one more thing. I think that all of those..including
myself at one time, who have clamored for the return for Mike Pinder,
I really don't think it has so much to do with Pinder as it has to do
with the desire that someone or something lights a fire under Hayward
and Lodge. They are the best songwriters. I know that was the real
reason why, some time back, that I wanted Pinder back as well. It's
all about getting the J's excited again and fired up, and I hoped that
Pinder could be a catalyst for that. It was never really all that much
about Pinder himself, but what his effect on the others could be. But
when I really think things through, it seems that if you could uncork
the genie from the bottle and ask for someone back, it ought to be
Moraz since he could paint some beautiful soundscapes around Justin &
John's songs, and do a much better job of it than Pinder.
Another thing about Pinder. One of the main reasons why I soured on
Pinder was because of how, on his website and in the online chats he
"starred" in, all the man did was brag on himself and take credit for
the other guy's songs! He never wanted to seriously discuss music.
It was all about his big ego and his need to be worshiped. There was
never an honest discussion about music or an attempt to impart anything
to others except for endless bragging. He didn't share any real
insight at all with those of us who play music ourselves or who have
studied it. For instance, in the chats that Pinder "starred" in or
on his chat board, a lot of questions came his way, especially from
those of us who are musicians, that for whatever reason were
deliberately sidestepped. As far as I'm concerned, as someone who has
studied music myself, I find such an attitude from an accomplished
musician who lacks any kind of graciousness to show the way to other
players or to share about music to be very self serving and selfish.
For instance, questions were asked about Pinder's musical
education..like how young was he when he first played the piano, is he
primary self taught or did he take lessons and for how long, does he
still sightread, what level of classical music can he play and what
are his favorite pieces, what are his influences and other players he
looked up to, and etc. I believe a couple of questions came his way
about technique as well. He seems pretty insecure because he won't
answer any of these kind of questions, especially as it related to what
kind of level he can actually play on. Though, he never did pass up
an opportunity to brag on himself though! I'm sure that no fan here
knows the answers to these questions, and they likely never will.
Let me give a very specific example. at one of the chats, one
woman asked Pinder what is the current keyboard he's playing, and he
balked at even answering the question and was even somewhat sarcastic.
Only till Pbaub prodded him did he finally caved in and admitted to
playing a Korg or something like that. I just find this kind of
attitude to be amazing, and I don't respect another musician with this
kind of attitude. Even Moraz, for all the things the diehards here
fault him for, doesn't have the kind of extreme attitude that Pinder
does. I can understand that many musicians do like to brag and have
such huge egos, but if that is all they do and as I said before if they
aren't gracious enough to show the way to other players or share real
musical insight, then they are little more than empty beer cans.
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Thu, 10 March 2005 01:47 |
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So it really comes down to your personal disappointment with the way
you feel Mike Pinder treated you and not really about who's a better
keyboard player.
The thread has now become mostly about YOU, Ty. Your attempt to
discredit everyone who was in the band besides Moraz says more about
you than it does about them. Sorry, but that's how I see it.
I sincerely wish you would try living in the present. The past is gone
and nothing will ever be the same.
MP did answer some Mellotron questions. The man does have other things
to do than post answers on his website all day.
As to who's a better songwriter, that's all a matter of taste and can't
be considered factual.
My feeling has always been that you liked Moraz better simply because
you heard him first, because you weren't old enough to catch the band
before the 80s.
Most of us are older, heard the core-7 music first, and like it better
than the overly commercialized 80s because we were introduced to the
band when they were in a non-commercial vein. Mike had a huge
influence on everyone in the band in the old days that disappeared when
he was gone. I find the music of the 60s-70s light years ahead of the
80s and it has stood the test of time better than the 80s music, and I
feel that after all this time, I can objectively say I feel that the
melodies and lyrics were far more poignant than the 80s music.
But that's just my opinion. There's really nothing to compare and
nothing to argue.
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Thu, 10 March 2005 02:55 |
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cathyw [at] myself.com wrote:
> So it really comes down to your personal disappointment with the way
> you feel Mike Pinder treated you and not really about who's a better
> keyboard player.
I think you are really oversimplifying this, Cathy. Of course Moraz
is a better keyboard player in every aspect. Is it true that I was
disappointed by Pinder as a person as presented on his website and
online chats? Yes, that is true as well. But it says a lot more
about him than it does about me. Pinder's stubborn reluctance to share
insight into his own musical background or technique with not only just
me but with other curious individuals seems to reflect a general
insecurity on his own part. Maybe his constant bragging and taking
credit for the songs written by the others is a way to make himself
feel better and gloss over his own insecurity and shortcomings. If he
were truly a great player, then I don't see why he'd be that insecure.
This isn't the first time that it has been pointed out that Pinder is a
very insecure musician. It has long been rumored that the real reason
why King Crimson was never signed up to Threshold was because Pinder
was intimidated by the musicianship of Robert Fripp.
>
> The thread has now become mostly about YOU, Ty. Your attempt to
> discredit everyone who was in the band besides Moraz says more about
> you than it does about them. Sorry, but that's how I see it.
I have not discredited everyone in the band. This is a very unfair
assertion, Cathy. Most of the time, I have made constructive
criticisms and have tried to point them in the right direction. I even
corresponded with Moody Blues management some time back with a
suggestion or two.
>
> I sincerely wish you would try living in the present. The past is
gone
> and nothing will ever be the same.
I do live in the present. What is wrong with a discussion that has
something more interesting or substantial to say than the boring and
banal "WOW! i love justin & john.." drivel.
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Thu, 10 March 2005 03:01 |
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"I find the music of the 60s-70s light years ahead of the
80s and it has stood the test of time better than the 80s music," - cat
I discovered the band in 1970, their music was right for the times, and
I loved it. I think SOME of their music has stood the test of time,
but certainly not all of it. A lot of it is rather dated.
Maybe in the 80's and even more in the 90's they finally found what
they were looking for, so their music and themes changed. I don't
think either is better, just completely different. For me personally, I
like the later music much more and never listen to the Core 7.
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Thu, 10 March 2005 03:17 |
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You guys don't know Ty very well, so don't let him play you. It's
always about HIM and HIS insecurity. He's desperate to be accepted and
he's changed his mind more than most people change underwear about how
he feels about the band. If you disagree with him he gets very angry
and likes to bully. If you ignore him he gets sarcastic and tries to
provoke you. He just LOVED Mike Pinder and when his question in the
chat was ignored, now he doesn't like him. He's pushed his way into
chats under a false name and caused all sorts of trouble. It's hard to
not respond to him, though. He likes to push buttons but doesn't want
anybody to push back. He's treated people on this and other boards like
shit for years. Yawn, yawn and yawn. JMHO of course.
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| Re: does anyone honestly think... [message #214571 ] |
Thu, 10 March 2005 03:24 |
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What Ty forgot to mention when he said he "corresponded with some MB's
management" is that HE wrote to them but never received a reply because
they were too busy laughing their asses off to write back. Yes, he is
indeed "in the know"........LOL!
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| Re: does anyone honestly think... [message #214579 ] |
Thu, 10 March 2005 22:32 |
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Maybe I spoke too harshly. I apologize. But you have been on a
mission to speak of all the band members negatively, for years now!!!
It's like an OCD with you.
There is a category for discussion somewhere in between "I love Justin
or John" and reading in all kinds of negative things about band members
based on speculation and rumor.
About Moraz, technically he's a better keyboard player, but I'm not
really interested in whether he would have done a better job on the
core-7 material than Pinder. The band was what it was with Pinder, and
what it was with Moraz, and that's it. People are in different places
in their lives and then come together for different reasons and drift
apart for lots of reasons. In the case of the band's evolution:
Destinies were fulfilled, and time marches on. Moraz was doing
something else in the early days of the Moody Blues and Pinder was
doing his thing during the Moraz/Moody Years.
Maybe the answer to the question of Pinder's musical background might
have been more involved than Pinder had time to give. You're jumping
to a conclusion that he has an insecurity issue that you have no proof
of. And if he was insecure, so what? That's not a reasonable excuse
for a character attack on him. Rumors about how he was intimidated by
Robert Fripp are just rumors.
I'm surprised Pinder answers questions at all. And when he does,
someone like you finds fault with that because your question didn't get
answered adequately to your satisfaction.
Isn't it possible that you expect too much from Pinder, and from all
the members of the Moody Blues? They make the music they make, show
up for concerts people buy tickets for, and beyond that they don't owe
any fan(s) a damn thing or any explanation of anything they've done.
Most of the fans have learned to be grateful for what we do get in
terms of attention and answers, instead of being disappointed with what
we think we've missed, or not gotten.
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| Re: does anyone honestly think... [message #214580 ] |
Thu, 10 March 2005 22:34 |
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Well Said!
<cathyw [at] myself.com> wrote in message
news:1110490363.230722.217780 [at] l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Maybe I spoke too harshly. I apologize. But you have been on a
> mission to speak of all the band members negatively, for years now!!!
>
> It's like an OCD with you.
>
> There is a category for discussion somewhere in between "I love Justin
> or John" and reading in all kinds of negative things about band members
> based on speculation and rumor.
>
> About Moraz, technically he's a better keyboard player, but I'm not
> really interested in whether he would have done a better job on the
> core-7 material than Pinder. The band was what it was with Pinder, and
> what it was with Moraz, and that's it. People are in different places
> in their lives and then come together for different reasons and drift
> apart for lots of reasons. In the case of the band's evolution:
> Destinies were fulfilled, and time marches on. Moraz was doing
> something else in the early days of the Moody Blues and Pinder was
> doing his thing during the Moraz/Moody Years.
>
> Maybe the answer to the question of Pinder's musical background might
> have been more involved than Pinder had time to give. You're jumping
> to a conclusion that he has an insecurity issue that you have no proof
> of. And if he was insecure, so what? That's not a reasonable excuse
> for a character attack on him. Rumors about how he was intimidated by
> Robert Fripp are just rumors.
>
> I'm surprised Pinder answers questions at all. And when he does,
> someone like you finds fault with that because your question didn't get
> answered adequately to your satisfaction.
>
> Isn't it possible that you expect too much from Pinder, and from all
> the members of the Moody Blues? They make the music they make, show
> up for concerts people buy tickets for, and beyond that they don't owe
> any fan(s) a damn thing or any explanation of anything they've done.
>
> Most of the fans have learned to be grateful for what we do get in
> terms of attention and answers, instead of being disappointed with what
> we think we've missed, or not gotten.
>
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| Re: does anyone honestly think... [message #214581 ] |
Thu, 10 March 2005 23:31 |
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Absolutely.
It has been a great and life long run. Remarkable despite what the very few
detractors would suggest.
Skyvoice
<cathyw [at] myself.com> wrote in message
news:1110490363.230722.217780 [at] l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Most of the fans have learned to be grateful for what we do get in
> terms of attention and answers, instead of being disappointed with what
> we think we've missed, or not gotten.
>
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| Re: does anyone honestly think... [message #214582 ] |
Fri, 11 March 2005 06:46 |
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I'm surprised that what was a simple question has generated so much
acrimony! All I asked was whether or not anyone actually thinks that
Pinder is a better keyboardist than Patrick Moraz, and exactly why they
want Pinder back instead of Moraz even though it's plainly clear who's
the better musician? I thought it was a good enough question. As I
glance at the replies that have accumulated to this topic, it seems
that the bulk of them are knee jerk reactions in which I'm basically
being put on the stand and impugned. Obviously, most people don't
want to face the music and they refuse take a deep breath and
re-evaluate why they want Pinder back instead of a vastly superior
musician like PM.
I do want to answer a point or two raised here:
>He just LOVED Mike Pinder and when his question in the
>chat was ignored, now he doesn't like him.
Well, it is true that I was one who jumped on the bring back Pinder
bandwagon when I was disappointed with "strange times". I suppose I
went along with a lot of the prevailing sentiment at the time and I
jumped on the wagon, and then got carried away and hijacked it out of
boredom. The only reason why I had said in the past (especially back
on the MBMB back in '99) that I really wanted Pinder to rejoin the
Moody Blues was because I hoped that someone would light up a doobie
and excite Justin & John into writing great songs again. I was hoping
that someone would give them a good swift kick. I was also under the
false assumption that Pinder had a much better chance than Moraz in
rejoining the MB's, but obviously this isn't true at all. They are
both in the dog house.
Look, I do think that Pinder is an innovator and talented. He has
written some good songs. He would be an improvement over Danilo
Madonia, but just about anyone would. If Pinder comes back to the
band, fine. To be quite honest with you, never did the thought cross
my mind about Pinder rejoining the MB's till I was sorely disappointed
with Strange Times. It's all about Justin & John, and the only
reason why I mentioned Pinder's name the most in the past was only
because I thought he had the BETTER chance of rejoining the MB's. But
there is no question to me, and never has been, that Patrick is a far
better musician and keyboard player. Also, my respect for Patrick
for a musician has grown immensely, while my respect for Pinder had
greatly diminished due to the reasons I've already mentioned in this
topic here.
So to sum this up, if Pinder comes back to the MB's, then fine. If
Moraz comes back, that's even better. As long as the Moodies find a
more talented keyboardist than Danilo, find another musician who can
actually bring the fire back into their music, then that's all fine and
good. But I doubt they care anymore about that.
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| Re: does anyone honestly think... [message #215482 ] |
Fri, 11 March 2005 21:47 |
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And neither should you.
Ty, what you asked was innocent enough. What you assumed was not.
What is obvious is that every time someone espoused an opinion
different from yours, your reaction has been to keep driving home the
point that Moraz is better, Moraz is better, ad infinitum, and you
offer no validity to anyone else's opinion. Why bother asking? Nobody
else is trying to force their opinion about which keyboardist they like
better on you.
All I and others are trying to get through to you is that it's
pointless to dwell on the past configurations of the band or to
fantasize about future configurations where Pinder or Moraz or any
other keyboard player rejoins or joins the Moody Blues. Try to
appreciate what you did and still do love about the band and skip the
rest. It's obvious the MB do not want another keyboard player, or they
would have hired one person for both the studio and the road by now.
And if Moraz hadn't taken them to court, THIS MIGHT HAVE NOT BEEN THE
CASE.
Twice burned in court, plus the cost of attorneys' fees, the hassle,
emotional distress, time away from making music, the fact the money is
tight in these later years, etc. all translate into NO MORE FULL TIME
SINGLE STUDIO/LIVE KEYBOARD PLAYER, EVER!!!
Most of the fans have accepted THE REALITY OF THE SITUATION and don't
waste time and energy wishing and hoping things could be different.
Maybe 20 years ago more fans did, but not anymore.
Try thinking about the serenity prayer:
God, grant me the
SERENITY
to accept the things
I cannot change
COURAGE
to change the
things I can
and
WISDOM
to know the difference
I think you have a lot of great qualities, or I wouldn't waste my time
or energy talking to you. I only wish you'd try to be more positive,
for your own good.
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Sat, 12 March 2005 01:01 |
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Cathy, if you find those qualities by all means, please let us know.
All we've ever seen in the very hateful side of Ty. If you go back and
look at his history, you'll see that he's been given many chances to
act like a decent human being but prefers to act like pond scum and
treat people badly.
To Ty; shut up, will you?
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Thu, 17 March 2005 20:50 |
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Well, he's certainly articulate and he's not stupid.
He's just too into blame -- which is a losing game.
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| Re: does anyone honestly think... [message #218243 ] |
Tue, 22 March 2005 01:20 |
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Oh, Ty!
What happened? Please take your medication, Life can be better for all
of us if you do!
Nep
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Fri, 25 March 2005 03:35 |
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hey come on nep.... your post were hilarious on alt music agaist skypie
and blue brain,, but they are not here!!!! talk normal to us!!! this is
not an angry and mean spirited group
pbaub
===================
I kinda laughed when I read this, and witnessed how my STALKER has
moved his lunacies on over to another board. Why it looks like the
FATMAN doesn't like the LOON blithering his harassing crap on *their*
board, huh? FATMAN enjoyed the freakball harassing Sky and I? On
*this* board? But it's not ok on their little havon of goo? LoL. In
any case, I think some peeps on here need some kind of transplant on
their Moody Blues activities becuz when I read the above I thought to
myself what does this all mean? What is the point?
Kinda like what is TyHardUP's point in continuing to smear the Moody
Blues good names? I've been seriously pondering looking into the
libelous nature of the comments for they show a DEEPer resentment that
should be offered to someone in Law Enforcement for review. It's a
sickening behavior really, that really should be nipped in the bud,
instead of the several of you furry freaks who keep egging the ass on,
by answering to his every "question" or "opinion". Like that other
ass, StaffSMUCKA blithering on for months about the same horsehit over
and over. All same mentalities really. Where the hell is the Moody
love? If you freak balls don't like the Moody Blues, why keep coming
here to keep showing how stupid you are? Head on over to THEIR boards
to tell the millions of cyber persons yer opinions, booooooooooys. I
swear, it seems to get worse as the years go by, the crazy wankers who
show up to "talk" about their idols, the Moody Men.
I myself used to enjoy their shows, not much anymore unless of course I
was invited at this point to be in some kind of inner circle. But with
all the nutters out there, that I see here on this board and on some of
the other boards I lurk on, one has to wonder, what do you do with yer
"spare" time other than coming on here and showing yer *true* selves to
be jealous, sneering, tuff talking, goo gushing fools? Really, what
does it matter what the Moody Men do?
Maybe a baseball bat and an airplane ticket would be in order here for
some serious nutters; you know that old adage hard to crack a hard
shell unless ya got a nut cracker?
LoL.
Blue Jay
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| Re: does anyone honestly think... [message #219670 ] |
Fri, 25 March 2005 03:48 |
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Oh, Blue Jay,
Have you considered calling a mental health center or hospital in your
area for evaluation and care? Life can be better!
Nep
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| Re: does anyone honestly think... [message #219675 ] |
Fri, 25 March 2005 17:27 |
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Bob, "NepBlue"?
I want you to CEASE and DESIST pestering me on this board, and any
board I care to go to. I've spoken with your ISP folks, and I've sent
yer perstering and annoying comments made to me, and others, by YOU, to
them, again.
Yer coming out party on "Moody Talk" Moody Blues board with yer dumb
obessions on washers and dryers is a clear indication it is YOU who
needs mental health evaulations not I. Those that would welcome a CLOD
like you, is an indication to their dumb selves, believing you just a
harmless louse; that fact that you hooked in with one of the worst
Drama Queens on the Moody net that being "MissMoodyBlues" is again
another indicaton of what kind of person YOU are. She's another one
who was BOMBING the John Lodge Board with her hyperbole, and I took
issue with it, and that got me 'branded' in her club, so what? I care
not. But you are another matter.
Have you examined why it is you feel compelled to seek out my posts, to
harass me specifically with these stupid comebacks? Does this make yer
life better doing this? If it does, honestly, and again, it is YOU who
needs some kind of examination, not I. And the FACT that PFlubber
condoned yer behavior HERE, making mention of this approval, on "his"
fav board, "Moody Talk" is another indication the FATMAN is still
wheeling and stinging from my strong comments about his FAT self over
the years, but if you notice Bob, I don't really pester him anymore,
you know why? I have spoken my .02's worth, now I let HIM show what he
is about. I've come to the conclusion there will always be these girls
who suck his ass (and other things---shudder) I care not.
But again, you are another matter.
Many people, laughingly or otherwise have attempted to *appeal* to yer
better side previously to ask you to STOP harassing me. You continue.
People have contacted you privately, again attempting to appeal to yer
better side. I feel you don't have one, yer stupid. Only a stupid
person, would carry on in the 2 years that YOU have, in the manner you
have chosen. YOU. No one is making you (unless of course you've been
approached about wouldn't it be fun to harass me, Wizard, TyHardUp and
any other person you feel doesn't meet with whatever it is you call yer
Moody ethics, not sure) You can have an opinion, as I do, as most of my
bashers (who are FEW in number) I really don't care. But when the
stuff steps over from just speaking yer opinion to an OBSESSIONAL,
STALKER like mentality, and it's kept up, then it does show a certain
fracture in reality. That is OBVIOUS.
You've launched into yer lunacys when I told you straight up on John
Lodge's PUBLIC board that you were acting the nutter, as did many
others, Bob, do you recall this? Do you? For a 34 year old man who is
in maintenance work, I would think coming to these Moody Blues board
would be an outlet for the dirty jobs you do for employment instead of
the constant need for attention by pestering, annoying and harassing.
I think you are in the small group of nutters who seen NOTHING WRONG
with their attitudes, citing it is their victims who DESERVE it, by
whatever means they have chosen to distribute their nasty selves on
here. I've often watched, chuckling at the zeal that the FEW of these
nutters will go too, never seeing their OWN behavior is what THEY
should be examining.....but you Bob, have clearly shown you are a
person not to be ignored any further.
Talk to some of the other FEW fools who felt it was their right to
harass me, ask them what finally happened to their freedom to cyber
stalk and harass, is this the route YOU really want to travel on me?
Last time "Bob", stop it.
Or else.....I will be looking to Security Level 3 Com folks again, and
I'm tempted to discuss this matter with the proper sorts who *might* be
able to handle this more efficiently, either way, you have been warned.
That is a PROMISE.
Blue Jay
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Fri, 25 March 2005 17:54 |
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While I'm thinking about it,
Over the years I've been accused of many things, deeds done, by other
Moody fans, who still yet remain in the cyber shadows, gleeful that it
is I who is blamed for all the misfortunes that befall their buddies.
I've seen it....frequently.
If that makes these sorts happy, ok, whatever, but it's a FACT that has
been blaring at me for some time now, that my 'rep' if you will has
turned Urban Legend becuz it's so unbeliveable to these sorts that
these predators of such can actually sit amongst you, and have you all,
call THEM, Moody friends.
Mind boggling actually....but then it's human nature to be lulled into
a false sense of security.
Thinking is the best way to travel.
Blue Jay
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Fri, 25 March 2005 20:02 |
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Blue Jay
I was only trying to be friendly. By the way, have you seen "American
Dreams"? I want to hear the moodies on that show.
Nep
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Tue, 29 March 2005 21:40 |
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Hey, Blue Jay! Nep can belong to any board he wants to. And maybe if
you'd stop being so mean, people would stop coming down on you so hard.
BUG OFF!!!
Leah
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Tue, 29 March 2005 22:10 |
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Thankfully.
Skyvoice
"leah" <leahtelos [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1112125897.708068.262000 [at] z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> They'll never have anyone like him again.
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| Re: does anyone honestly think... [message #219716 ] |
Tue, 29 March 2005 21:51 |
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As to the original question, Patrick Moraz is FAB! He really revved up
the Moodies musically. They'll never have anyone like him again.
Leah
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Wed, 30 March 2005 04:20 |
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leahtelos [at] yahoo.com wrote:
> Hey, Blue Jay! Nep can belong to any board he wants to. And maybe if
> you'd stop being so mean, people would stop coming down on you so
hard.
>
> BUG OFF!!!
>
> Leah
Hello Leah,
I'm not sure what it is you really want from me, by again inserting
yerself into this harassing ass NeptuneBob's ridiculous notions of
seeking out my posts, to add his stupid and annoying, ..."need mental
and fiber help" synopis? I mean, you and I have NEVER had any real
interactions between each other, other than the little bash-a-thon
party YOU insisted on playing on me out here on the primary board I
usually hang on, that being of course alt.music.moody-blues for the
many months YOU insisted on continuing yer badgering of myself,
unabated. You made it yer personal mission to persist on these notions
I was everywhere hassling you and yer sister, based on presumably an
unverified rumor to the notion I was supposedly harassing yer sister,
at least that is what you insisted on letting everyone know on here,
was the supposed sole reason for yer indiginity. Really what do YOU
want from me Leah? I told you in all candor I had nothing to do with
these so-called harassments you seem to think you know was only me
doing to you. I also informed you it appears to me there have been
others at work attempting to clone me and design these extensive plots
to cause ME undue problems by suggesting I am seeking out Moody Blues
fans to hassle "for fun". All anyone has to do, to see who I am, is to
see that I make NO BONES about who I am, out there, so why would I make
up a name to pester someone I don't even know, to cause them a bunch of
problems "for fun"???? Why?
Here we go again; a person you were in copious emails with forwarded on
yer statements to me, becuz she was aghast at the vehemence and
unrelenting position you took, to support yer inaccurate analogies of
what you had come to know. She felt you were over the top with all
this BS you have contrived on myself out in public, and felt I should
know what YOU were typing, and YOU even told her IF you were supplied
with information showing I was not the culprit, you would cease yer
harassments to me, out in public. This doesn't seem to be the case
Leah, becuz it appears you have again thrown yerself into the middle of
an ongoing annoyance by a guy who sees no end to his amusements by
seeking out my posts to insult me with his stupid self. Why are YOU
again, seeking out MY posts to add yer insulting .02's worth if I am
nothing in yer little world? Hum? Who are you to inform me that I
would be left alone if I wasn't so "mean"???? I'm mean? For what?
Speaking to a harassing ass who insists on carrying on over my screen
name for the last 2 years, much to the chagrin of many Moody Blues fans
who would wish he'd cease but that he INSISTS on carrying on, much in
the manner that YOU did, Leah for months? I've already had a nice,
long conversation on the phone with "Bob's" ISP folks. They looked at
his posts and told me, yeah he wasn't threatening me with murder but he
was none the less over the top with regards to his TOS enforcements.
Yer no better frankly, to go to yer Nashville Library computer and
start these little nastys all for what? I might add it's something you
have never shown yerself out to be and that is a person who has
integrity becuz you sit there on a library computer with yer made up
name to bash, with wild abandon to be dismissive of yer boorish
attitudes by telling yer victim not to make a big deal out it, you
know? Like you did to me, telling me what was I getting all worked up
about if I wasn't guilty? How would YOU feel, if out of nowhere, and
with no facts or evidence to support as such, you were attacked day in
and day out for 8 months on totally made up bullshit, how would YOU
feel Leah? I don't think you'd like it, since you try to tell yer
buddies, that yer a nice person.
Do "nice" people do what YOU have been doing???? Do "nice" people don
mysterious fake names, and attack others based on made up lies, "for
fun"? Do "nice" people go on, endlessly with their boorish selves
telling others how "good" they are, when in reality they are the lowest
of the lowest? If yer so integrity minded I have a suggestion, you
don't want to be my friend? No prob. But...then...leave me alone.
You don't like my opinion? No prob, move on. I'm entitled to MY
opinion as much as you are entitled to yers. If it's so bothersome to
you, my expressing myself? Ignore me. As I have done to many that
annoy me. I won't however ignore those who PERSIST in seeking me out,
to hassle me over having my opinions. It's OBSESSIONAL fixations
manifesting stalker like attitudes that should be nipped, and I will
nip them.
I can only hope that someday, you will suffer the misery of someone
accusing you of something you haven't done, really, and you trying to
appease that person, and having the same dreadful, dreary day after
day, nasty bunch of comebacks YOU have supplied me over the course of
this last year and let's see how YOU like it? Yer little fan club
participating with MissMoodyKooKoo is another example of where yer
loyalities obviously lay "Leah". MissMoodyBlues is a blithering,
drooling ass, who hides her seething hatred for anyone who has an
opposing opinion to either herself or her opinions by pretending she
gives a shit, I think not. More funny? She shows what she is REALLY
all about, in private to others who have forwarded on her comments, to
me, to verify what a nutter she is. She doesn't like that, when she's
shown out beyond that pretending love to everyone blah blah she
blithers over there on Clint's Moody Talk. I KNOW she's silly,
insanely fixated on John, Justin and any other Moody Blues band member
she fancies herself to be in the same category with "professionally",
but frankly? She needs serious help. She's a nasty little liar, which
I showed her out to be IN HER OWN HANDY WORK, if that makes me the bad
guy here, so be it. I regret nothing of showing how much of a drooling
damn fool she was acting, again in HER OWN PAWS,when she persisted in
BOMBING the John Lodge board with her obessessions to take it over. How
ludicrious! I don't care either what you might think of that, as I've
told her to her face about how much I think she needs a dose of
reality. So what I had an opinion? Why don't you hassle Cathy W? Or
Elizabeth? Or OctoberSkies? Or OfMyOwnAccord? Or Theodora? Or Justin
Payne? Or any number of the other fans/people that had finally had
enough of Katie's INSANE obsessions to be some kind of silly assed
moderator in Lodgerland? I'm tired of idiots like you thinking they can
make a name on themselves by seeking out my person to badger me with
what you *think* you know. But then you *like* her dumb self so I
think, to me, that explains why YOU persist in pestering me. Let me
tell you, I won't put up with it Leah. I know who you are......and
you can be *found* right down to the exact time, date and location of
yer lousy existence since yer using a PUBLIC library card to identify
yerself to that Nashville library computer yer so insistence on using
to camoflauge yer lousy self. So yer little ruse of "hiding" behind
the Nashville Library computers you slither down too, to use, won't
protect yer bashing self.
YOU made the issue here, and it's yer choice to back it off and leave
me out of yer stupid dramas. I've asked you before, now I'm telling
you, you bugger off lady. If *you* wish to pursue this, me, then feel
free to contact me at my juno addy, I'll be happy to take this private
where frankly it belongs.
And Neptune "Bob" just doesn't clue in, he'll wish he had......
MOVE THE FUCK ON, now..........
Blue Jay
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| Re: does anyone honestly think... [message #219723 ] |
Wed, 30 March 2005 03:16 |
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Leah,
What do you suppose is making Blue Jay so mad? Also, have you seen
"American Dreams"? I want to hear to moodies on that show, so email
www.nbc.com and tell them.
Nep
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| Re: does anyone honestly think... [message #219726 ] |
Wed, 30 March 2005 06:58 |
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Oh, Blue jay,
Sam's Club has a good deal on economy size Metamucil. ALso, have you
seen the new label?
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| Re: does anyone honestly think... [message #219735 ] |
Wed, 30 March 2005 19:47 |
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I think Blue Jay rants because she likes to hear herself speak. I took
up her attitude last year (?) to try and let her see how she was coming
across to others. It didn't work. The blinders are still on.
I don't know whether she's really angry at the world or not. But she
acts like it, doesn't she? I think the only people she is happy with
are those who agree with her like her dear friends Anita D and Wizard
(who isn't). But she is truly happy having people and things to bitch
about.
If she is angry, she needs to see a therapist to learn how to deal with
her anger. Maybe some medication would help. And a HUGE dose of
Metamucil.
Leah
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| Re: does anyone honestly think... [message #219736 ] |
Wed, 30 March 2005 20:02 |
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Yawn. Wizard (who isn't Merlin but is entertaining and informative
unlike yourself) has better comebacks than you. His posts are a delight
to read.
Blue Jay, just find some peace in your life. Life can be sunny if you
know where to look. Does ANYTHING make you happy?
Ok, so you've been accused of things you say you haven't done by me and
others, If you haven't done them, then why are so upset? If we are
wrong, so be it. But don't hold a grudge. It's not good for your
physical, mental or emotional health.
Since you seem so obsessed with my coming to the library, I do it
because I enjoy books. And yes, I spend a little time on the PC. So
what! I'm not the only one who uses them. Get over it. You may find
yourself at the library one day.
And hey, as I said before, I adopted your attitude last year to show
you how you come across to others. If you don't like it, then be nicer
to others. What goes around comes around.
If you aren't the one who harrassed my sister, fine. I won't say
another word about it from this moment on. Now drop it yourself. It's
not worth it.
Peace,
Leah
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| Re: does anyone honestly think... [message #219737 ] |
Wed, 30 March 2005 20:14 |
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Oh and Blue Jay, I was perfectly content to leave you alone until I
found my name in an OT post. I hadn't said one word against you in
months. My, I must've left a deep impression on you to remember me
after so long.
I'm so glad you know who I am. That means you also know who I am NOT.
Please remember that. Okies?
Leah
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| Re: does anyone honestly think... [message #219740 ] |
Wed, 30 March 2005 20:37 |
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>Blue Jay, just find some peace in your life. Life can be sunny if you
>know where to look. Does ANYTHING make you happy?
Yes, plenty makes me happy, not much on here, becuz I see only a bunch
of nutters, repeating the same old tired crap-ola, over and over. The
Pinder arguments. The Moraz comments, the same stupid boring crap.
Over and over. The same people, over and over only they change their
uniforms to "new" screen names, but really it's always the SAME FEW,
isn't it? IF you noticed, I am really not posting much here anymore.
Not out of fear, or anger as you so frequently wish to point out, my
blood pressure isn't up nor is my heart racing, you don't anger me, yer
pathetic really. A girl who comes on an International Moody Blues
forum to hoorah another idiot who talks about fiber and washer and
dryers. Really what do you two do, in yer real life? I have an
opinion, as I've always had Leah, why is that any different than any
other person who has come to *this* board? As I've mentioned, if I'm
this nothing person to you, why do YOU always seek out my posts, to add
yer ugly .02's worth? And it is ugly, I have yet to see YOU mention
anything of any positive or constructive comments on here.
>>Ok, so you've been accused of things you say you haven't done by me
and
others, If you haven't done them, then why are so upset? If we are
wrong, so be it. But don't hold a grudge. It's not good for your
physical, mental or emotional health.<<<
I see, so I'm not at Peace for asking for the few nutters to CEASE
bringing ME into their dramas? Hum. I'm the one with the 'probs'???
How so? Becuz I speak as an educated person can? Or that I use unusual
witicisms to show my sarcastic side? You were a boorish CLOD, madame,
and frankly went beyond any kind of "just accusing you wrongly"
notions. YOU went personally out of yer way, going on and on and on,
it's ALL still here, on this board. Yer personal bash-a-thons on ME,
for what? You have yet to make good on that apology, except to pass a
back handed nasty little slur to me. Is this the sign of a "good"
person? A person who has seen fit to make personal issues on this
board? I don't think I have to show anything about YOU here, anymore
Leah, you've done that all for me. Yer an insincere person, this
you've clearly established and here you are again, "Leah" showing up to
diss me for what? Yer personal issues? As I mentioned YOU could have
gone into a private conversation with me, initially as *I* asked you to
do, to avoid all this DRAMA, you have brought to this board on
persecuting me, for well, being me. You know? How "good" people do
when they have questions? A personal email asking..."Hey Blue Jay is
that you doing all that blah blah blah business?" But instead Leah, YOU
chose to come out, attacking people you thought were me! How silly is
that? YOU put the whole drama, out here, and frankly YOU need to take
if off. YOU, not me.
I have pleeeenty of peace, Leah, but yer dismissive attitude is the
crux here. Who are you, to admonish me, for my opinions? You were,
...."only showing" me, with my attitudes, that I should be "nice"???
Oh? If you were a pal, you'd know how 'nice' I am. Yer like a
psychotic mental patient with too much time on her hands deciphering
and cutting up my every word, to be dissected for YOUR APPROVAL. I'm
not here for yer approval or anyone elses, ya got me? ***You***
personally spent a tremendous amount of energy and time, over the
course of last year, going to threads I posted on, to make the same,
smearing, denegrading comments yer going on about here, now. I think
that was ALL YOU. I didn't force you to come on this Moody Blues board
to harass me, now did I? You are the self appointed judge, jury and
conviction? Does this make you feel superior? Telling a person to
not be upset? How would you feel, having someone like you, come out of
NOWHERE, and SMEARING my name, out here, as though you were some kind
of authority but now, it's all no big deal? Then why are YOU coming to
these threads and posting on, again, in a manner that shows YOU haven't
let it go? Am I supposed to sit by, continuing to be annoyed, pestered
and STALKED by a guy who sees no end to his humor, only to have YOU
come on, and hoorah him for it, becuz and I quote...."Blue Jay you
deserve it"????
Do I really?
So yer going to the library for noble reasons? For a person going to
her library, to read books you sure have spent an enormous amount of
time causing a lot of DRAMA, to what end? I'm not supposed to respond,
to a person following me around on the Net, telling people who are my
cyber pals, I'm this lowly person, that YOU know nothing about, except
for the allegations you MADE UP? MADE UP? Is that the sign of a person
who is sensible? I don't think so. But of course you'll have to have
the last word here, fine, I don't care. I'm done talking at you lady,
yer a wasteland of useless and stupid comebacks, intended for one
reason and one reason only: flame baiting.
I think yer a dismissive, narrow minded, grudge slinging ass who has
sat here, in the cyber shadows picking and choosing 'targets' for what
appears to be some kind of lack in YOUR LIFE, not mine.
I've suggested this to you before, Leah, MOVE ON. Leave me alone.
Read it: MOVE ON, find yer humor elsewhere. Frankly if YOU PERSIST,
I'm tempted to dredge up all yer hypercritical nonsense YOU bombarded
others with, on here, to show what YOU are all about, lady.
Yer frankly, a hypercrite.
Blue Jay
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